Genesis Correlates With Science

[Truthmatters]

there is no proof god exsists.

that means the bible is fiction when it talk about god.


there is some historical stories in the bible but NO proof of god.

 

[PoliticalChic]

there is no proof god exsists.

that means the bible is fiction when it talk about god.


there is some historical stories in the bible but NO proof of god.

Actually, there is lots of proof.

Let's remember that prior to this decade, atoms had never been seen, yet indirect evidence was accepted as proof.

I'd say the same is true for the concept under discussion.


Unless you have some 'proof' of the non-existence.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

there is no proof god exsists.

that means the bible is fiction when it talk about god.

there is some historical stories in the bible but NO proof of god.

Actually, there is lots of proof.

Let's remember that prior to this decade, atoms had never been seen, yet indirect evidence was accepted as proof.

I'd say the same is true for the concept under discussion.


Unless you have some 'proof' of the non-existence.

indirect SCIENTIFIC evidence was accepted as proof?

Wishful thinking is not proof, and wishful thinking is what belief in a supernatural being following mankind around a blue marble in space is all about.

There is no proof a god exists. There is more proof that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the boogeyman in the shadows exist, than there is proof a god exists.


Genesis is so childlike and unbelievable as to make people who spout off about it as fact, look stupid. The Bible is not to be taken literally. It is full of old myths, old and symbolism working through metaphors
God is a concept...a human construct.

 

[edthecynic]

4. Then, in the 20th century, Einstein advanced his theory of general relativity, the implication of which was that the universe was not static- it must be expanding or contracting.

a. An understanding of the red shift pretty much established an expanding universe. With this came the realization that there must have been a beginning.

5. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain!

6. The basic forces of nature emerged- first gravity, then the strong force that holds the nuclei of atoms together (no atoms existed at this time), followed by weaker, then ‘electromagnetic’ forces. By the end of the firs second, there were quarks and electrons, nutrinos, some other stuff….and, later, some of them smashed together to form protons and neutrons.





7. So, there we have the idea of the universe suddenly appearing at a beginning, and all of that from a huge amount of energy. Of course, that doesn’t begin to ask the obvious: what existed before the Big Bang, and where did all that energy come from?

I love how know-nothings think they know-it-all about science because of what they have heard from the pulpit!!!

Space/time began at the Big Bang, not energy. No energy was "generated" at the Big Bang. Energy already existed at the Big Bang. Energy is what went bang at the Big Bang. The proven First Law of Thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

Poof goes your whole rationalization!
Try again.

#5 and #6 above speak to the current understanding....


Only a bonehead (insert your name here) would miss the obvious, and write this:
"No energy was "generated" at the Big Bang. Energy already existed at the Big Bang. Energy is what went bang at the Big Bang. The proven First Law of Thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed."

"energy can neither be created nor destroyed."
So.....the energy of the Big Bang....created? Where from?


Further: 'First Law of Thermodynamics'

Sez who?

Modern physicists posit a 'multiverse' where every permutation and combination of so-called laws govern.


That was easy enough.

There is no "current understanding" that energy can be "generated" at the Big Bang, at least among anyone who knows anything about Physics.

And how you can get from the FLoT to energy created at the Big Bang is beyond rationalization!!!!

And you know less about the 'multiverse' than you do about the Big Bang or the FLoT, and you know NOTHING about the Big Bang and the FLoT.

 

[NoNukes]

Still nothing to add to the conversation, noodles?

Well....good to see you working up to your ability.

Come up with an interesting thread and I am all yours.

I must avoid producing 'an interesting thread' at all costs!!!!



(Please....avoid the obvious response.)

I was busy cooking dinner for my family, but I see that I did not miss anything.

 

[edthecynic]

9. Probably anyone writing a creation account should have begun with the idea of the formation of the sun and the planets….shouldn’t they? Without the sun…how could Genesis refer to the ‘days’ of creation? So…“Let there be light” doesn’t really entail much….does it? It makes intuitive sense: light needs the sun....doesn't it?

a. Even the pagan world figured this out: most tended to worship the sun as the source of all life.
But Genesis doesn’t speak of the sun…..only of light, until verses 14-19.

10. Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis.
Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Interesting? Modern scientific narrative and biblical narrative seem to agree here.
LIght....energy....but no sun...

But there’s more in the Genesis author’s narrative. There follows an order of events of the creation.
A pretty specific order of events.
And it’s surprisingly accurate.

Of course you left the next verse out because it pointed out the one thing you need the Sun for, the evening and the morning!!! In fact, there were 3 days of evenings and mornings before the Sun was created.

Worse yet, you have the Earth created BEFORE the light, or in your rationalization before the Big Bang. How does that specific order of events match science???????

Genesis verse 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

I leave nothing out....

....follow my series of OP's.


But, good to see you reading the Bible.

You ALWAYS leave something out!!!!

You completely avoided addressing the fact that the Earth was created IN DARKNESS and then the LIGHT was created, in that order. That's a specific order of events that hardly matches science, except in the mind of fruitcake like you!!!!!

So your deliberate avoidance of the above actually says more than any rationalization you could have come up with.

March 01, 2012
RUSH: To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it." It's a blessing! You know, the worst thing would be to be dumb and to know it -- and there's evidence all over that the dumb do not know they're dumb.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

While inconsistencies are part of the mysteries of life, science and faith are not so much at odds as we are to believe.

People, on the other hand, are a different story, and they are involved in both.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course you left the next verse out because it pointed out the one thing you need the Sun for, the evening and the morning!!! In fact, there were 3 days of evenings and mornings before the Sun was created.

Worse yet, you have the Earth created BEFORE the light, or in your rationalization before the Big Bang. How does that specific order of events match science???????

Genesis verse 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

I leave nothing out....

....follow my series of OP's.


But, good to see you reading the Bible.

You ALWAYS leave something out!!!!

You completely avoided addressing the fact that the Earth was created IN DARKNESS and then the LIGHT was created, in that order. That's a specific order of events that hardly matches science, except in the mind of fruitcake like you!!!!!

So your deliberate avoidance of the above actually says more than any rationalization you could have come up with.

March 01, 2012
RUSH: To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it." It's a blessing! You know, the worst thing would be to be dumb and to know it -- and there's evidence all over that the dumb do not know they're dumb.

Is English a second language for you?

It is for me.

And yet, here I am, teaching you English.


Let's begin:

"1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Read it? Understood it? All of the words?


How about this one:

void
/void/

Noun
A completely empty space: "the black void of space".



You feel really dumb now, don't you.
Fitting.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Come up with an interesting thread and I am all yours.

I must avoid producing 'an interesting thread' at all costs!!!!



(Please....avoid the obvious response.)

I was busy cooking dinner for my family, but I see that I did not miss anything.

Au contraire....you're missing a great deal.
In fact, one wonders how you find your way home each day.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I love how know-nothings think they know-it-all about science because of what they have heard from the pulpit!!!

Space/time began at the Big Bang, not energy. No energy was "generated" at the Big Bang. Energy already existed at the Big Bang. Energy is what went bang at the Big Bang. The proven First Law of Thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

Poof goes your whole rationalization!
Try again.

#5 and #6 above speak to the current understanding....


Only a bonehead (insert your name here) would miss the obvious, and write this:
"No energy was "generated" at the Big Bang. Energy already existed at the Big Bang. Energy is what went bang at the Big Bang. The proven First Law of Thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed."

"energy can neither be created nor destroyed."
So.....the energy of the Big Bang....created? Where from?


Further: 'First Law of Thermodynamics'

Sez who?

Modern physicists posit a 'multiverse' where every permutation and combination of so-called laws govern.


That was easy enough.

There is no "current understanding" that energy can be "generated" at the Big Bang, at least among anyone who knows anything about Physics.

And how you can get from the FLoT to energy created at the Big Bang is beyond rationalization!!!!

And you know less about the 'multiverse' than you do about the Big Bang or the FLoT, and you know NOTHING about the Big Bang and the FLoT.

Where

was

the

energy

prior

to

the

Big Bang?

 

[PoliticalChic]

there is no proof god exsists.

that means the bible is fiction when it talk about god.

there is some historical stories in the bible but NO proof of god.

Actually, there is lots of proof.

Let's remember that prior to this decade, atoms had never been seen, yet indirect evidence was accepted as proof.

I'd say the same is true for the concept under discussion.


Unless you have some 'proof' of the non-existence.

indirect SCIENTIFIC evidence was accepted as proof?

Wishful thinking is not proof, and wishful thinking is what belief in a supernatural being following mankind around a blue marble in space is all about.

There is no proof a god exists. There is more proof that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the boogeyman in the shadows exist, than there is proof a god exists.


Genesis is so childlike and unbelievable as to make people who spout off about it as fact, look stupid. The Bible is not to be taken literally. It is full of old myths, old and symbolism working through metaphors
God is a concept...a human construct.

I so very much look forward to providing the instruction that you dearly require.

The indirect evidence for God's existence is the effect of same.

1. Can a human being be good without reference to God? Sure….there could be good pagans….or bad religious folks. But God is necessary for morality to survive. Take as an example, a sadist who gets satisfaction from murdering children. If there is no God who declares that such an act is wrong, then my arguing such is simply my opinion versus that of the murderer. Without God, good and evil are a matter of taste.

a. That fear of being held responsible for one's actions is based on God

2. And that is the basis of the Bible. The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible t that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.” It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden.
Mamet, “Secret Knowledge”

a. What atheists who speak in terms of good and evil have done is appropriated religious dialogue for themselves. They have kidnapped our way of speaking and said what was rooted in God doesn't need God any longer. Can We Be Good without God


You're welcome.

 

[there4eyeM]

It is a giant leap to connect Genesis with quantum physics.

The question of what there was before the big bang is just an accident of how we think and how language works. Because everything in our existence has antecedents, we infer that such is always true. Even someone who believes in God might ask where God came from. But for God to be God, there could have been no precursor. If the big bang is true, it is a similar linguistic and mental quandary.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is a giant leap to connect Genesis with quantum physics.

The question of what there was before the big bang is just an accident of how we think and how language works. Because everything in our existence has antecedents, we infer that such is always true. Even someone who believes in God might ask where God came from. But for God to be God, there could have been no precursor. If the big bang is true, it is a similar linguistic and mental quandary.

So....were did the energy of the Big Bang come from?

 

[edthecynic]

I leave nothing out....

....follow my series of OP's.


But, good to see you reading the Bible.

You ALWAYS leave something out!!!!

You completely avoided addressing the fact that the Earth was created IN DARKNESS and then the LIGHT was created, in that order. That's a specific order of events that hardly matches science, except in the mind of fruitcake like you!!!!!

So your deliberate avoidance of the above actually says more than any rationalization you could have come up with.

March 01, 2012
RUSH: To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it." It's a blessing! You know, the worst thing would be to be dumb and to know it -- and there's evidence all over that the dumb do not know they're dumb.

Is English a second language for you?

It is for me.

And yet, here I am, teaching you English.


Let's begin:

"1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Read it? Understood it? All of the words?


How about this one:

void
/void/

Noun
A completely empty space: "the black void of space".



You feel really dumb now, don't you.
Fitting.

"Void" is only one word, not "all the words" as you demand. In my bible lexicon "void" is also defined as "waste."

So I ask, how "empty" could the "face (surface) of the deep (sea)" and the "face (surface) of the water" be in the darkness before light was created????? Admit it, the Earth of waste and the water of the deep were created before the light.

You are, of course, too dumb to feel dumb.

March 01, 2012
RUSH: To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it." It's a blessing! You know, the worst thing would be to be dumb and to know it -- and there's evidence all over that the dumb do not know they're dumb.

 

[edthecynic]

#5 and #6 above speak to the current understanding....


Only a bonehead (insert your name here) would miss the obvious, and write this:
"No energy was "generated" at the Big Bang. Energy already existed at the Big Bang. Energy is what went bang at the Big Bang. The proven First Law of Thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed."

"energy can neither be created nor destroyed."
So.....the energy of the Big Bang....created? Where from?


Further: 'First Law of Thermodynamics'

Sez who?

Modern physicists posit a 'multiverse' where every permutation and combination of so-called laws govern.


That was easy enough.

There is no "current understanding" that energy can be "generated" at the Big Bang, at least among anyone who knows anything about Physics.

And how you can get from the FLoT to energy created at the Big Bang is beyond rationalization!!!!

And you know less about the 'multiverse' than you do about the Big Bang or the FLoT, and you know NOTHING about the Big Bang and the FLoT.

Where

was

the

energy

prior

to

the

Big Bang?

Prior to the Big Bang, all the energy of the Universe was compressed into one point, known as a singularity.

Always happy to educate you.

 

[edthecynic]

It is a giant leap to connect Genesis with quantum physics.

The question of what there was before the big bang is just an accident of how we think and how language works. Because everything in our existence has antecedents, we infer that such is always true. Even someone who believes in God might ask where God came from. But for God to be God, there could have been no precursor. If the big bang is true, it is a similar linguistic and mental quandary.

So....were did the energy of the Big Bang come from?

Like your God, energy always exists, but unlike your God, energy can be measured.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

God is necessary for morality to survive.

According to you there was no morality before a god. Interesting. Or there was always morality because there was always a god. More interesting.

We know that at one point man's ancestors started to bury their dead with symbolic items...the Bear Caves in Europe. Was Jesus' dad teaching mankind how to pray at this time? Was man learning to identify himself with others...compassion?

see Dante's profile image "Thou art that"

We do know at some point mankind cared for each other because we find signs that early mankind is traveling with injured or crippled family(?). Where these people ignorant of Jesus' dad, and if so why? If man was created in a god's image, that god must have been one fucking backwards troll

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

God is necessary for morality to survive.

According to you there was no morality before a god. Interesting. Or there was always morality because there was always a god. More interesting.

We know that at one point man's ancestors started to bury their dead with symbolic items...the Bear Caves in Europe. Was Jesus' dad teaching mankind how to pray at this time? Was man learning to identify himself with others...compassion?

see Dante's profile image "Thou art that"

We do know at some point mankind cared for each other because we find signs that early mankind is traveling with injured or crippled family(?). Where these people ignorant of Jesus' dad, and if so why? If man was created in a god's image, that god must have been one fucking backwards troll

Why not get PoliChicster to debate this one-on-one (which is what the Bull Ring is for) with another member?

then she could wow us all without interference...

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

Genesis is so childlike and unbelievable as to make people who spout off about it as fact, look stupid. The Bible is not to be taken literally. It is full of old myths, old and symbolism working through metaphors
God is a concept...a human construct.

To some extent, yes, this is true and indisputable. The Bible should not be taken literally. To do so is the worst kind of folly.

The extent to which God is a human construct, however, is infinitely debatable. Do humans project their behavior into their deities? I am convinced that they always have, because that is just a part of human nature, just like jealousy, invention, ambivalence, and a host of other facets of good old fashioned human frailty.

The Bible is highly symbolic, especially the OT. Taking it literally is more of a Christian tendency than a Jewish one. PC is an adult and can speak for herself, but I don't know that her OP is necessarily meant to say that the Genesis story is a literal one. As a symbolic representation of the origin of the Universe, the points presented have merit.

As far as I'm concerned, peoples' reliance on faith, science, or any combination of the two is their business as is their desire to share it or proselytize, and others' acceptance or resistance to it. Ain't the 1st Amendment grand?

 

[there4eyeM]

It is a giant leap to connect Genesis with quantum physics.

The question of what there was before the big bang is just an accident of how we think and how language works. Because everything in our existence has antecedents, we infer that such is always true. Even someone who believes in God might ask where God came from. But for God to be God, there could have been no precursor. If the big bang is true, it is a similar linguistic and mental quandary.

So....were did the energy of the Big Bang come from?

I could fun with ya and say, "It just was! You have to have faith! It was a miracle!"

But I won't do that.

It is probably a question without an answer, one we ask because we can and must, being how we are. More likely is that it's the wrong question. When and if we understand things better, we may find an explanation for how it came to be, but there may not be a 'before'.

Hard to get one's head around, isn't it?