Gowdy: Witnesses are telling us of a stand-down order during Benghazi attack

[Slice The Great]

Does not matter: contractors got it wrong.

So, the attack was because of a video?

That is what the attackers told witnesses during the attack.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Tell us exactly where they were in relationship to the main building? Exactly. Tell the truth.

How about you tell us how they got it wrong?

So you are telling us that they were not at the main building. Tell us how far away were they.

 

[JakeStarkey]

there's absolutely no way that gowdy would just make that claim to keep his kangaroo court going, is there?

Clinton and Obama wouldn't lie to retain their political power, either, would they?

The contractors are lying.

They may not be. They may really not understand they have it wrong.

 

[Slice The Great]

Tell us exactly where they were in relationship to the main building?

Exactly. Tell the truth.

How about you tell us how they got it wrong?

They got it wrong by lying about the time the call for help came in, the length of the tactical delay and that there was a stand down order.

 

[Slice The Great]

Tell us exactly where they were in relationship to the main building? Exactly. Tell the truth.

How about you tell us how they got it wrong?

So you are telling us that they were not at the main building. Tell us how far away were they.

The three lying contractors were in the parking lot of the CIA Annex with the two vehicles during the fifteen minute tactical delay when the Chief of Base and the Security Team Leader were requesting a drone, gathering intelligence, assessing the situation, planning the rescue mission and trying to contact the local militia. When it became clear that the local militia could not provide any large caliber machine guns, the team leader went out ti the vehicles, got into the lead vehicle and the team departed the Annex.

 

[Lilah]

Does not matter: contractors got it wrong.

So, the attack was because of a video?

That is what the attackers told witnesses during the attack.

The attackers had time to stop and chat?

 

[Lilah]

Tell us exactly where they were in relationship to the main building? Exactly. Tell the truth.

How about you tell us how they got it wrong?

So you are telling us that they were not at the main building. Tell us how far away were they.

The three lying contractors were in the parking lot of the CIA Annex with the two vehicles during the fifteen minute tactical delay when the Chief of Base and the Security Team Leader were requesting a drone, gathering intelligence, assessing the situation, planning the rescue mission and trying to contact the local militia. When it became clear that the local militia could not provide any large caliber machine guns, the team leader went out ti the vehicles, got into the lead vehicle and the team departed the Annex.

Page 111 of 13 Hours, "After 20 minutes, possibly more, had elapsed since the first radio call had come from the compound, another call came in: If you guys don't get here, we're going to die."
The four operators got into the cars and then the team leader ended the phone call and also got in. Why the delay?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I'll take the word of an Operator before an appointed civilian any day.

 

[Slice The Great]

Does not matter: contractors got it wrong.

So, the attack was because of a video?

That is what the attackers told witnesses during the attack.

The attackers had time to stop and chat?

Yep.

When the CIA team arrived at the diplomatic mission the local militia was already there trying to negotiate a cease fire with the attackers. When that didn't work, the team and the locals fought their way into the mission compound.

 

[Slice The Great]

I'll take the word of an Operator before an appointed civilian any day.

The contractors are lying. They are lying about the time the call from the RSO at the diplomatic mission to the annex, the length of the tactical delay, about hearing the RSO officer at the diplomatic mission on the radio (the RSO was on phone with the Leader of the Rescue Team who was on his cell phone) and that the Chief of Base cancelled the rescue mission to go help the diplomatic mission.

The Chief of Base, his number two, the rescue team leader, his number two, other security officers in the annex and the video from the CCTV in the Annex show the contractors are lying.

 

[Lilah]

I'll take the word of an Operator before an appointed civilian any day.

The contractors are lying. They are lying about the time the call from the RSO at the diplomatic mission to the annex, the length of the tactical delay, about hearing the RSO officer at the diplomatic mission on the radio (the RSO was on phone with the Leader of the Rescue Team who was on his cell phone) and that the Chief of Base cancelled the rescue mission to go help the diplomatic mission.

The Chief of Base, his number two, the rescue team leader, his number two, other security officers in the annex and the video from the CCTV in the Annex show the contractors are lying.

Do you really think "Bob" is going to tell the truth and out his source?

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Gowdy: Witnesses are telling us of a stand-down order during Benghazi attack

The film 13 Hours depicts the brutal attack and sacking of our consulate in Benghazi from the perspective of the men who fought and died to defend it. The Michael Bay film depicts a unit of responders being given a “stand down” order, which critics claim perpetuates a debunked allegation that investigators have long since retired. Not so says Trey Gowdy, the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, who wonders why people have reached conclusions before all the witnesses have had a chance to testify. In fact, some first-person witnesses insist to this day that such an order was given:

Rep.Trey Gowdy, chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said Wednesday that a number of witnesses had confirmed a stand-down order was given to military assets in proximity to Benghazi the night of the 2012 terror attack, while others said no one issued such an order.

“The best I can do is tell you what the witnesses say, and then you can decide who you think is more credible,” Gowdy said during an interview with Boston Herald Radio. …

“I don’t know why the mainstream media doesn’t understand that you have to talk to everyone before you draw conclusions,” Gowdy said, noting the committee has roughly 12 witnesses left to interview before winding down its investigation.
​

Politico reported last night on the controversy, fueled by a former Special Ops commando who fought in Benghazi. Kris Paronto insists he was given a stand-down order, and tells Rachel Bade that he’s not going to stay quiet to save someone’s political career:

With Michael Bay’s “13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi” set to premiere Thursday, the five surviving members of the six-man Benghazi security team have blitzed the airwaves to promote the film and renew their assertion that a top CIA officer delayed them from immediately answering State Department distress calls. Three even testified to the same before the House Select Committee on Benghazi last spring, several sources have confirmed to POLITICO.

“There is no sensationalism in that: We were told to ‘stand down,’” said former Special Forces Officer Kris Paronto, one of the CIA contractors who fought that night, in an interview with Politico. “Those words were used verbatim — 100 percent. … If the truth of it affects someone’s political career? Well, I’m sorry. It happens.” …
Lawmakers have grappled with the question of a stand-down order before, and several bipartisan reports on the attacks have found no evidence of such a command being passed down the chain. Moreover, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the CIA and the Defense Department have long dismissed the idea that anyone would have held back help.

But the renewed allegations have forced lawmakers to wrestle with the issue again, and Republicans in particular may find themselves in an awkward spot. If GOP members of the Benghazi panel dispute Paronto’s assertion, they could look like they’re disparaging Americans who fought and died in service of the country. But if they side with Paronto, investigators would directly contradict some big-name intelligence officials, including former CIA Director David Petraeus, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who say no one was ordered to stand down.
​

Yeah, well, finding out that Hillary Clinton and James Clapper might not have told the whole truth won’t be as big of a surprise as Bade surmises, nor as “awkward” for Republicans either. Republicans don’t have any reason to defend or attack Panetta, but Petraeus might be a little different for them. Nevertheless, much of that calculation depends on who and where that order might have originated; one or more of them might not have been in the command chain for such an order.

This puts the issue in the wrong direction, though. Isn’t it a little more awkward to call the men who fought to rescue Americans liars compared to assuming that politicians in Washington might have something to hide? What motivation does Paronto have to keep pressing this point? The motives for Hillary Clinton, James Clapper, and others in the chain of command to obfuscate this point — if true — are rather obvious.

Later this evening, I’ll finally get a chance to see 13 Hours. I hope to have a review up this weekend for it. In the meantime, Michael Bay may give Trey Gowdy an opening to reset the narrative.

Typical libtard strategy, deny it long enough.....

 

[AmericanFirst1]

"a number of witnesses had confirmed a stand-down order was given to military assets in proximity to Benghazi the night of the 2012 terror attack, while others said no one issued such an order."

Which is it?

( sigh )

Stop looking for an argument. And don't be naive on top of being a Troll.

I'm done.

Shadow 355

One less retarded lib to worry about now.

 

[Slice The Great]

Tell us exactly where they were in relationship to the main building? Exactly. Tell the truth.

How about you tell us how they got it wrong?

So you are telling us that they were not at the main building. Tell us how far away were they.

The three lying contractors were in the parking lot of the CIA Annex with the two vehicles during the fifteen minute tactical delay when the Chief of Base and the Security Team Leader were requesting a drone, gathering intelligence, assessing the situation, planning the rescue mission and trying to contact the local militia. When it became clear that the local militia could not provide any large caliber machine guns, the team leader went out ti the vehicles, got into the lead vehicle and the team departed the Annex.

Page 111 of 13 Hours, "After 20 minutes, possibly more, had elapsed since the first radio call had come from the compound, another call came in: If you guys don't get here, we're going to die."
The four operators got into the cars and then the team leader ended the phone call and also got in. Why the delay?

The CIA Annex Security Team Leader took the call for help from the RSO at the diplomatic mission on his cell phone. He ordered his second and four contractors to get their kits and prepare two vehicles. He then informed the Chief of Base. The COB and the team leader then proceeded to request a drone, gather intelligence on the number and weapons of the attackers, asses the situation, formulate a plan for the rescue team (taking into consideration the possibility of an ambush) and contact the local militia for assistance particularity in the form of heavy caliber machine guns). When it appeared that the local militia could not provide heavy caliber machine guns, the team leader went to the vehicles, entered the command seat in the lead vehicle and the team departed the Annex twenty one minutes after the team leader took the call for help from the RSO at the diplomatic mission.

 

[Slice The Great]

I'll take the word of an Operator before an appointed civilian any day.

The contractors are lying. They are lying about the time the call from the RSO at the diplomatic mission to the annex, the length of the tactical delay, about hearing the RSO officer at the diplomatic mission on the radio (the RSO was on phone with the Leader of the Rescue Team who was on his cell phone) and that the Chief of Base cancelled the rescue mission to go help the diplomatic mission.

The Chief of Base, his number two, the rescue team leader, his number two, other security officers in the annex and the video from the CCTV in the Annex show the contractors are lying.

Do you really think "Bob" is going to tell the truth and out his source?

His source for what?

 

[Slice The Great]

Gowdy: Witnesses are telling us of a stand-down order during Benghazi attack

The film 13 Hours depicts the brutal attack and sacking of our consulate in Benghazi from the perspective of the men who fought and died to defend it. The Michael Bay film depicts a unit of responders being given a “stand down” order, which critics claim perpetuates a debunked allegation that investigators have long since retired. Not so says Trey Gowdy, the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, who wonders why people have reached conclusions before all the witnesses have had a chance to testify. In fact, some first-person witnesses insist to this day that such an order was given:

Rep.Trey Gowdy, chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said Wednesday that a number of witnesses had confirmed a stand-down order was given to military assets in proximity to Benghazi the night of the 2012 terror attack, while others said no one issued such an order.

“The best I can do is tell you what the witnesses say, and then you can decide who you think is more credible,” Gowdy said during an interview with Boston Herald Radio. …

“I don’t know why the mainstream media doesn’t understand that you have to talk to everyone before you draw conclusions,” Gowdy said, noting the committee has roughly 12 witnesses left to interview before winding down its investigation.
​

Politico reported last night on the controversy, fueled by a former Special Ops commando who fought in Benghazi. Kris Paronto insists he was given a stand-down order, and tells Rachel Bade that he’s not going to stay quiet to save someone’s political career:

With Michael Bay’s “13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi” set to premiere Thursday, the five surviving members of the six-man Benghazi security team have blitzed the airwaves to promote the film and renew their assertion that a top CIA officer delayed them from immediately answering State Department distress calls. Three even testified to the same before the House Select Committee on Benghazi last spring, several sources have confirmed to POLITICO.

“There is no sensationalism in that: We were told to ‘stand down,’” said former Special Forces Officer Kris Paronto, one of the CIA contractors who fought that night, in an interview with Politico. “Those words were used verbatim — 100 percent. … If the truth of it affects someone’s political career? Well, I’m sorry. It happens.” …
Lawmakers have grappled with the question of a stand-down order before, and several bipartisan reports on the attacks have found no evidence of such a command being passed down the chain. Moreover, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the CIA and the Defense Department have long dismissed the idea that anyone would have held back help.

But the renewed allegations have forced lawmakers to wrestle with the issue again, and Republicans in particular may find themselves in an awkward spot. If GOP members of the Benghazi panel dispute Paronto’s assertion, they could look like they’re disparaging Americans who fought and died in service of the country. But if they side with Paronto, investigators would directly contradict some big-name intelligence officials, including former CIA Director David Petraeus, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who say no one was ordered to stand down.
​

Yeah, well, finding out that Hillary Clinton and James Clapper might not have told the whole truth won’t be as big of a surprise as Bade surmises, nor as “awkward” for Republicans either. Republicans don’t have any reason to defend or attack Panetta, but Petraeus might be a little different for them. Nevertheless, much of that calculation depends on who and where that order might have originated; one or more of them might not have been in the command chain for such an order.

This puts the issue in the wrong direction, though. Isn’t it a little more awkward to call the men who fought to rescue Americans liars compared to assuming that politicians in Washington might have something to hide? What motivation does Paronto have to keep pressing this point? The motives for Hillary Clinton, James Clapper, and others in the chain of command to obfuscate this point — if true — are rather obvious.

Later this evening, I’ll finally get a chance to see 13 Hours. I hope to have a review up this weekend for it. In the meantime, Michael Bay may give Trey Gowdy an opening to reset the narrative.

Typical libtard strategy, deny it long enough.....

If the Chief of Base cancelled the rescue mission why did he then request a drone, gather intelligence, assess the situation, formulate a plan for the rescue team and try to get help from the local militia?

 

[Lilah]

Tell us exactly where they were in relationship to the main building? Exactly. Tell the truth.

How about you tell us how they got it wrong?

So you are telling us that they were not at the main building. Tell us how far away were they.

The three lying contractors were in the parking lot of the CIA Annex with the two vehicles during the fifteen minute tactical delay when the Chief of Base and the Security Team Leader were requesting a drone, gathering intelligence, assessing the situation, planning the rescue mission and trying to contact the local militia. When it became clear that the local militia could not provide any large caliber machine guns, the team leader went out ti the vehicles, got into the lead vehicle and the team departed the Annex.

Page 111 of 13 Hours, "After 20 minutes, possibly more, had elapsed since the first radio call had come from the compound, another call came in: If you guys don't get here, we're going to die."
The four operators got into the cars and then the team leader ended the phone call and also got in. Why the delay?

The CIA Annex Security Team Leader took the call for help from the RSO at the diplomatic mission on his cell phone. He ordered his second and four contractors to get their kits and prepare two vehicles. He then informed the Chief of Base. The COB and the team leader then proceeded to request a drone, gather intelligence on the number and weapons of the attackers, asses the situation, formulate a plan for the rescue team (taking into consideration the possibility of an ambush) and contact the local militia for assistance particularity in the form of heavy caliber machine guns). When it appeared that the local militia could not provide heavy caliber machine guns, the team leader went to the vehicles, entered the command seat in the lead vehicle and the team departed the Annex twenty one minutes after the team leader took the call for help from the RSO at the diplomatic mission.

He has to go along with the story given him.
I believe the 4 contractors, who begin to leave of their own volition, and the team leader followed their lead. The contractors previously services: Dave Benton, former Marine sergeant and swat team officer.
Mark (Oz) Geist spent 12 years in the Marine Corps; Kris (Tanto) Paronto was a member of the Army's 75h Regiment; Jack Sila was a former Navy Seal; John (Tig) Tiegen was a former Maine sergeant; and Tyrone (Rone) Woods was a former Navy Seal. These men knew what they were doing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Typical far right partisanship: lie until their lips fall off.

The fact remains that the contractors' story is false.

 

[Lilah]

I'll take the word of an Operator before an appointed civilian any day.

The contractors are lying. They are lying about the time the call from the RSO at the diplomatic mission to the annex, the length of the tactical delay, about hearing the RSO officer at the diplomatic mission on the radio (the RSO was on phone with the Leader of the Rescue Team who was on his cell phone) and that the Chief of Base cancelled the rescue mission to go help the diplomatic mission.

The Chief of Base, his number two, the rescue team leader, his number two, other security officers in the annex and the video from the CCTV in the Annex show the contractors are lying.

Do you really think "Bob" is going to tell the truth and out his source?

His source for what?

For telling him to stand down, of course.

 

[bodecea]

I think we need 9 more investigations....let the RW start a PAC to pay for them instead of stiffing the American Public.