Green Energy Devours Copper, waste and pollutes

[elektra]

News flash for those in the bubble;

Wind Turbines have been driving demand for Copper, an element that can not be replaced. Currently industry is scrambling to find a cheap replacement for copper.

Copper mining releases naturally-occurring radioactive materials.

We have thousands and thousands of wind turbines sitting idle right now, the element copper sits idle. Is this the best use for copper, 15 tons of copper per wind turbine. What if that same amount of copper is utilized in a Nuclear Power plant, it would be utilized for 500 days straight, online, never off.

How we consume the elements of the Earth defines who we are, as Human Beings.

It can be said that Green Energy is devouring copper reserves, literally like a monster.

:: WorstPolluted.org : Projects Reports

Exposure Pathways
Waste products are the main source of pollution from both currently operating mines and legacy pollution sites. Mines can produce a range of waste quantities. Waste can account for almost 10 percent of the total material mined to well over 99.99 percent, depending on the processes and substance being mined.[4] Waste products include wastewater, waste rock (containing metals and ore), tailings, process solutions and processed ore. The waste contains many of the chemicals used in the process, including chlorides, sulfur compounds, hydrochloric or sulfuric acids and lime, soda ash, and cyanide compounds. At abandoned or poorly closed mining sites, mine tailings and improperly stored waste can pollute groundwater, surface water, and agricultural activities. In operating mining and ore processing plants that are poorly managed, untreated waste water, slag and solid waste are often directly dumped into surface waters or piled up, uncovered, near the mine. Metals from the ore may be washed away along with soil, causing heavy erosion problems and contaminated runoff. The population surrounding the site then comes into contact with these pollutants through inhalation of contaminated dust and soil, ingestion of contaminated water and food and dermal contact with contaminated water.

 

[Abraham3]

Good lord, do you have any idea how ridiculously desperate you sound?

Be that as it may, I do favor nuclear power plants. However, you might want to have a look at the side-effects of mining and processing uranium. It is far from benign. And the same goes for coal, as I've already pointed out. There's just no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[emilynghiem]

Why not go back to the Flintstone Days
of having a hamster or monkey running in a wheel?

I wouldn't mind trading shifts with the hamster,
provided I get to nap during the day and free snacks.

JK

Seriously why not create jobs for scientists and students to find solutions to these issues.

Look how much money is spent on lobbying and political campaigns for and against global warming or developments in oil or fracking, etc. etc. Couldn't those same funds be better invested directly in solutions instead of fighting politically in the media and legislatures?

 

[elektra]

Do you have any idea how ridiculously desperate you sound?

Be that as it may, I do favor nuclear power plants. However, you might want to have a look at the side-effects of mining and processing uranium. It is far from benign. And the same goes for coal, as I've already pointed out. There's just no such thing as a free lunch.

yes, no such thing as a free lunch, which is what I am pointing out, and that is ridiculous when you agree?

Desperate, the education of people is not a desperate task, its simple really, look at your education, you have come to realize that Solar Power is now actually Natural Gas. That there are tremendous sources of pollution that is being driven by the uncontrolled expansion of a Wind Turbines.

Still, all that copper just sitting in fields, on hills, all across the USA, that is a tremendous amount of waste.

Its time to quit wasting money on ideas that have failed the entire the world, everyone has cut back on Green Energy except the USA, talk about unfunded wars, how about unfunded Green Energy

 

[elektra]

Wind Turbines require Rare Earth Metals, the World's Largest Wind farms require the largest amounts of Rare Earth Metals, poisoning the Earth.

Rare-earth mining in China comes at a heavy cost for local villages

Pollution is poisoning the farms and villages of the region that processes the precious minerals

From the air it looks like a huge lake, fed by many tributaries, but on the ground it turns out to be a murky expanse of water, in which no fish or algae can survive. The shore is coated with a black crust, so thick you can walk on it. Into this huge, 10 sq km tailings pond nearby factories discharge water loaded with chemicals used to process the 17 most sought after minerals in the world, collectively known as rare earths.

The town of Baotou, in Inner Mongolia, is the largest Chinese source of these strategic elements, essential to advanced technology, from smartphones to GPS receivers, but also to wind farms and, above all, electric cars. The minerals are mined at Bayan Obo, 120km farther north, then brought to Baotou for processing

 

[william the wie]

So-called green energy is anything but and that is true of all forms.

 

[Abraham3]

Do you have any idea how ridiculously desperate you sound?

Be that as it may, I do favor nuclear power plants. However, you might want to have a look at the side-effects of mining and processing uranium. It is far from benign. And the same goes for coal, as I've already pointed out. There's just no such thing as a free lunch.

yes, no such thing as a free lunch, which is what I am pointing out, and that is ridiculous when you agree?

That is not what you have been attempting to point out. You have been attempting to convince us that green technologies have a higher environmental cost than other technologies; that they are exceptionally harmful and we should stop employing them. That's what you've been attempting to point out.

Desperate, the education of people is not a desperate task,

I'm sorry, but you're not educating anyone. It would be far more accurate to say you were working in the opposite direction.

its simple really, look at your education, you have come to realize that Solar Power is now actually Natural Gas.

Don't try to put words in my mouth. I've learned no such thing because the contention is patently false.

That there are tremendous sources of pollution that is being driven by the uncontrolled expansion of a Wind Turbines.

Unfettered nonsense. Do you believe that wind turbine generators are in some fundamental way, DIFFERENT from generators in coal, natural gas, hydroelectric or nuclear power plants? They are all full of copper. They all use rare earth magnets.

Still, all that copper just sitting in fields, on hills, all across the USA, that is a tremendous amount of waste.

How is it waste? Is it being consumed? Is it unrecoverable?

Its time to quit wasting money on ideas that have failed the entire the world, everyone has cut back on Green Energy except the USA, talk about unfunded wars, how about unfunded Green Energy

You need to be a little more selective as to whose word you take on these matters. They're feeding you a line of bullshit. Look at the line labeled "Renewables". It is growing, not shrinking, and it is expected to continue growing.

Wind Turbines require Rare Earth Metals, the World's Largest Wind farms require the largest amounts of Rare Earth Metals, poisoning the Earth.

Rare earth compounds are used in the magnets of all modern electronics. There is nothing special about a wind turbine's generator in that regard. I don't know where you get this stuff, but by repeating it you're making yourself look pretty damn foolish.

Rare-earth mining in China comes at a heavy cost for local villages

Yes it does. The blame for that, however, falls on the Chinese government, which for years has put profits far, far ahead of worker safety or any environmental concerns. Rare earths are mined in California and there it is done safely and without undue harm to the environment. And, again, if you actually believe that rare earths are only - or even predominantly - being used in wind turbine generators, you're displaying an alarming level of ignorance.

 

[Moonglow]

The best conduits of electromotive force are gold, silver, copper and aluminum.....none are cheap. If they could use water it is a good conduit.
Copper prices have surged due to the demand of the metal in China and India....also...

 

[Old Rocks]

News flash for those in the bubble;

Wind Turbines have been driving demand for Copper, an element that can not be replaced. Currently industry is scrambling to find a cheap replacement for copper.

Copper mining releases naturally-occurring radioactive materials.

We have thousands and thousands of wind turbines sitting idle right now, the element copper sits idle. Is this the best use for copper, 15 tons of copper per wind turbine. What if that same amount of copper is utilized in a Nuclear Power plant, it would be utilized for 500 days straight, online, never off.

How we consume the elements of the Earth defines who we are, as Human Beings.

It can be said that Green Energy is devouring copper reserves, literally like a monster.

:: WorstPolluted.org : Projects Reports

Exposure Pathways
Waste products are the main source of pollution from both currently operating mines and legacy pollution sites. Mines can produce a range of waste quantities. Waste can account for almost 10 percent of the total material mined to well over 99.99 percent, depending on the processes and substance being mined.[4] Waste products include wastewater, waste rock (containing metals and ore), tailings, process solutions and processed ore. The waste contains many of the chemicals used in the process, including chlorides, sulfur compounds, hydrochloric or sulfuric acids and lime, soda ash, and cyanide compounds. At abandoned or poorly closed mining sites, mine tailings and improperly stored waste can pollute groundwater, surface water, and agricultural activities. In operating mining and ore processing plants that are poorly managed, untreated waste water, slag and solid waste are often directly dumped into surface waters or piled up, uncovered, near the mine. Metals from the ore may be washed away along with soil, causing heavy erosion problems and contaminated runoff. The population surrounding the site then comes into contact with these pollutants through inhalation of contaminated dust and soil, ingestion of contaminated water and food and dermal contact with contaminated water.

Elektra, you are a liar. Plain and simple, a liar. Here are the facts on the use of copper in the UK for windmills.

https://www.exeter.ac.uk/media/univ...graphy/pdfs/epsdissertations/Ian_Falconer.pdf

Using a novel methodology based upon data from publicly available planning
documentation, the approximate intensity of copper use is calculated at 5.64 tonnes/MW
of wind powered generating capacity installed onshore (based upon data from 30
planned or operating wind farms) and 9.58 tonnes/MW installed offshore (based upon
data from 14 planned or operating wind farms).

And, for the UK, where are they getting that copper?

Current copper scrap exports are sufficient to supply all the current and future
requirements of the proposed new wind powered generating capacity, but sufficient
capacity does not exist to make use of that scrap within the UK.

 

[Old Rocks]

Do you have any idea how ridiculously desperate you sound?

Be that as it may, I do favor nuclear power plants. However, you might want to have a look at the side-effects of mining and processing uranium. It is far from benign. And the same goes for coal, as I've already pointed out. There's just no such thing as a free lunch.

yes, no such thing as a free lunch, which is what I am pointing out, and that is ridiculous when you agree?

Desperate, the education of people is not a desperate task, its simple really, look at your education, you have come to realize that Solar Power is now actually Natural Gas. That there are tremendous sources of pollution that is being driven by the uncontrolled expansion of a Wind Turbines.

Still, all that copper just sitting in fields, on hills, all across the USA, that is a tremendous amount of waste.

Its time to quit wasting money on ideas that have failed the entire the world, everyone has cut back on Green Energy except the USA, talk about unfunded wars, how about unfunded Green Energy

Once again, you are a liar.

In 2013, Worldwide Solar Power Installations Will Overtake Wind For The First Time | ThinkProgress

Meanwhile, America’s solar installations have been chugging their way to new heights. 2013′s second quarter saw 832 megawatts installed, making it the second-best quarter on record, and installation prices are dropping across the country. In Asia, demand for solar is surging as the cost of modules and installation stabilizes, and analysts anticipate major solar markets across the globe will become sustainably competitive without any form of government incentive by 2014.
“The dramatic cost reductions in photovoltaics, combined with new incentive regimes in Japan and China, are making possible further, strong growth in volumes,” said Jenny Chase, BNEF’s head of solar analysis.
So despite the ups and downs and market noise created by shifting government incentives, the underlying story here is a steady upward climb in both the solar and wind markets. Ultimately, BNEF projects that onshore and offshore wind will combine to provide 17 percent of the world’s total power generation in 2030, up from five percent today. Solar PV they see moving from 2 percent of that generation today to 16 percent by 2030.

 

[Old Rocks]

US Companies? Use of Solar Increases 40% Over 2012

The new Solar Means Business report, released Oct. 15 from the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) and the Vote Solar Initiative, found that among the top 25 corporate users of distributed solar energy, use increased by 33 percent in just one year. The top 25 users of local solar had more than 445 megawatts of solar in action, up from 300 megawatts in 2012.

“The top 25 corporate users named in the Solar Means Business report reads like a Who’s Who of the most successful corporations in America,” said SEIA Executive Director Rhone Resch. “These brands are leading the way in reducing our nation's dependence on foreign energy sources.”

The overall leader in terms of both overall capacity and systems deployed might surprise — it’s Walmart, which has 215 systems installed totaling 89.43 megawatts of solar installed across 215 locations. That’s up from 144 installations and 65 megawatts last year. In terms of capacity, Sam’s Club competitor Costco came in second with 47.06 megawatts of solar installed. Costco was also second last year, having installed 38.9 megawatts of solar at the time.

 

[Old Rocks]

World Wind Energy Association - Home

Tuesday, 08 April 2014
Shanghai/Bonn, 8 April 2014 (WWEA) – On the occasion of the World Wind Energy Conference WWEC2014 in Shanghai, WWEA has presented the key statistics of the World Wind Energy Report 2013:

World wind energy capacity reached 318’529 MW by end of 2013, after 282’275 MW in 2012.
35’550 MW of new wind capacity was added, the smallest growth since 2008, and after 44’609 MW in 2012.
The growth rate reached only 12,8%, the lowest level since modern wind power utilization has started around the world.
Wind power contributes close to 4% to the global electricity demand.
In total, 103 countries are today using wind power on commercial basis.
China was still by far the leading wind market with a new capacity of 16’000 MW and a total capacity of 91’324 MW.
The US market saw a dramatic slump and installed only 1 GW, after 13 GW in 2012.
Asia has now the same installed capacity like Europe (119 GW) and is expected to overtake Europe in 2014 as largest wind continent.

 

[elektra]

The best conduits of electromotive force are gold, silver, copper and aluminum.....none are cheap. If they could use water it is a good conduit.
Copper prices have surged due to the demand of the metal in China and India....also...

Water is not a conductor, not at all.

The order of the best conductors of electricity you have out of order as well.

 

[idb]

Do you have any idea how ridiculously desperate you sound?

Be that as it may, I do favor nuclear power plants. However, you might want to have a look at the side-effects of mining and processing uranium. It is far from benign. And the same goes for coal, as I've already pointed out. There's just no such thing as a free lunch.

yes, no such thing as a free lunch, which is what I am pointing out, and that is ridiculous when you agree?

Desperate, the education of people is not a desperate task, its simple really, look at your education, you have come to realize that Solar Power is now actually Natural Gas. That there are tremendous sources of pollution that is being driven by the uncontrolled expansion of a Wind Turbines.

Still, all that copper just sitting in fields, on hills, all across the USA, that is a tremendous amount of waste.

Its time to quit wasting money on ideas that have failed the entire the world, everyone has cut back on Green Energy except the USA, talk about unfunded wars, how about unfunded Green Energy

It's a little hard to find your point exactly.

 

[elektra]

World Wind Energy Association - Home

Tuesday, 08 April 2014
Shanghai/Bonn, 8 April 2014 (WWEA) – On the occasion of the World Wind Energy Conference WWEC2014 in Shanghai, WWEA has presented the key statistics of the World Wind Energy Report 2013:

World wind energy capacity reached 318’529 MW by end of 2013, after 282’275 MW in 2012.
35’550 MW of new wind capacity was added, the smallest growth since 2008, and after 44’609 MW in 2012.
The growth rate reached only 12,8%, the lowest level since modern wind power utilization has started around the world.
Wind power contributes close to 4% to the global electricity demand.
In total, 103 countries are today using wind power on commercial basis.
China was still by far the leading wind market with a new capacity of 16’000 MW and a total capacity of 91’324 MW.
The US market saw a dramatic slump and installed only 1 GW, after 13 GW in 2012.
Asia has now the same installed capacity like Europe (119 GW) and is expected to overtake Europe in 2014 as largest wind continent.

As educated as you claim to be Old Crock, this article exposes Old Crock as a liar and a propagandist.

Renewables Investment and Recent Declines | The Energy Collective

What's Behind the 2013 Decline in Renewable Energy Investment?

Global investment in renewable energy and clean energy technologies has dropped for the second year in a row, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

Investment figures came to $254 billion in 2013, a 12 percent drop from 2012. The record high for renewable energy financing came in 2011 at nearly $318 billion, according to BNEF. Declines in Europe dragged down the whole market, but there are some bright spots.

 

[elektra]

World Wind Energy Association - Home

Tuesday, 08 April 2014
Shanghai/Bonn, 8 April 2014 (WWEA) – On the occasion of the World Wind Energy Conference WWEC2014 in Shanghai, WWEA has presented the key statistics of the World Wind Energy Report 2013:

World wind energy capacity reached 318’529 MW by end of 2013, after 282’275 MW in 2012.
35’550 MW of new wind capacity was added, the smallest growth since 2008, and after 44’609 MW in 2012.
The growth rate reached only 12,8%, the lowest level since modern wind power utilization has started around the world.
Wind power contributes close to 4% to the global electricity demand.
In total, 103 countries are today using wind power on commercial basis.
China was still by far the leading wind market with a new capacity of 16’000 MW and a total capacity of 91’324 MW.
The US market saw a dramatic slump and installed only 1 GW, after 13 GW in 2012.
Asia has now the same installed capacity like Europe (119 GW) and is expected to overtake Europe in 2014 as largest wind continent.

As educated as you claim to be Old Crock, this article exposes Old Crock as a liar and a propagandist.

Renewables Investment and Recent Declines | The Energy Collective

What's Behind the 2013 Decline in Renewable Energy Investment?

Global investment in renewable energy and clean energy technologies has dropped for the second year in a row, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

Investment figures came to $254 billion in 2013, a 12 percent drop from 2012. The record high for renewable energy financing came in 2011 at nearly $318 billion, according to BNEF. Declines in Europe dragged down the whole market, but there are some bright spots.

$500 billion invested in Green Energy in two years and we still must build, more, faster, and we will never meet even the increased percentage in demand for electricity and energy with this $500 billion.

That is what I call a failure, pure and simple.

We are wasting trillions, I have stated.

 

[idb]

World Wind Energy Association - Home

Tuesday, 08 April 2014
Shanghai/Bonn, 8 April 2014 (WWEA) – On the occasion of the World Wind Energy Conference WWEC2014 in Shanghai, WWEA has presented the key statistics of the World Wind Energy Report 2013:

World wind energy capacity reached 318’529 MW by end of 2013, after 282’275 MW in 2012.
35’550 MW of new wind capacity was added, the smallest growth since 2008, and after 44’609 MW in 2012.
The growth rate reached only 12,8%, the lowest level since modern wind power utilization has started around the world.
Wind power contributes close to 4% to the global electricity demand.
In total, 103 countries are today using wind power on commercial basis.
China was still by far the leading wind market with a new capacity of 16’000 MW and a total capacity of 91’324 MW.
The US market saw a dramatic slump and installed only 1 GW, after 13 GW in 2012.
Asia has now the same installed capacity like Europe (119 GW) and is expected to overtake Europe in 2014 as largest wind continent.

As educated as you claim to be Old Crock, this article exposes Old Crock as a liar and a propagandist.

Renewables Investment and Recent Declines | The Energy Collective

What's Behind the 2013 Decline in Renewable Energy Investment?

Global investment in renewable energy and clean energy technologies has dropped for the second year in a row, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

Investment figures came to $254 billion in 2013, a 12 percent drop from 2012. The record high for renewable energy financing came in 2011 at nearly $318 billion, according to BNEF. Declines in Europe dragged down the whole market, but there are some bright spots.

From your link

There's actually a silver lining in the numbers. Part of the decline was caused by the improving economics of solar and wind

The drop from Europe's nearly $100 billion investment in 2012 was due to Germany, Italy and France pulling back subsidy payments for new projects

Government investment was down, but public market investment market bounced back to $13 billion after 2012’s $4.8 billion investment, the lowest since 2004.

You need to read beyond the Google headlines in your search results.

 

[elektra]

News flash for those in the bubble;

Wind Turbines have been driving demand for Copper, an element that can not be replaced. Currently industry is scrambling to find a cheap replacement for copper.

Copper mining releases naturally-occurring radioactive materials.

We have thousands and thousands of wind turbines sitting idle right now, the element copper sits idle. Is this the best use for copper, 15 tons of copper per wind turbine. What if that same amount of copper is utilized in a Nuclear Power plant, it would be utilized for 500 days straight, online, never off.

How we consume the elements of the Earth defines who we are, as Human Beings.

It can be said that Green Energy is devouring copper reserves, literally like a monster.

:: WorstPolluted.org : Projects Reports

Exposure Pathways
Waste products are the main source of pollution from both currently operating mines and legacy pollution sites. Mines can produce a range of waste quantities. Waste can account for almost 10 percent of the total material mined to well over 99.99 percent, depending on the processes and substance being mined.[4] Waste products include wastewater, waste rock (containing metals and ore), tailings, process solutions and processed ore. The waste contains many of the chemicals used in the process, including chlorides, sulfur compounds, hydrochloric or sulfuric acids and lime, soda ash, and cyanide compounds. At abandoned or poorly closed mining sites, mine tailings and improperly stored waste can pollute groundwater, surface water, and agricultural activities. In operating mining and ore processing plants that are poorly managed, untreated waste water, slag and solid waste are often directly dumped into surface waters or piled up, uncovered, near the mine. Metals from the ore may be washed away along with soil, causing heavy erosion problems and contaminated runoff. The population surrounding the site then comes into contact with these pollutants through inhalation of contaminated dust and soil, ingestion of contaminated water and food and dermal contact with contaminated water.

Elektra, you are a liar. Plain and simple, a liar. Here are the facts on the use of copper in the UK for windmills.

https://www.exeter.ac.uk/media/univ...graphy/pdfs/epsdissertations/Ian_Falconer.pdf

Using a novel methodology based upon data from publicly available planning
documentation, the approximate intensity of copper use is calculated at 5.64 tonnes/MW
of wind powered generating capacity installed onshore (based upon data from 30
planned or operating wind farms) and 9.58 tonnes/MW installed offshore (based upon
data from 14 planned or operating wind farms).

And, for the UK, where are they getting that copper?

Current copper scrap exports are sufficient to supply all the current and future
requirements of the proposed new wind powered generating capacity, but sufficient
capacity does not exist to make use of that scrap within the UK.

Reuters disagrees Old Crock as do the manufacturers.

European wind farms to boost copper demand - Wood Mackenzie | Reuters

European wind farms to boost copper demand - Wood Mackenzie
BY HARPREET BHAL
LONDON Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:46pm IST
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Aug 1 (Reuters) - An expansion in wind power projects in Europe is helping to boost demand for copper, providing a bright spot for the metal used in power and construction at a time of tepid consumption in the region, research consultant Wood Mackenzie said on Wednesday.

The company expects copper use in wind turbines to rise 15 percent between 2013 and 2015, against an estimated 12 percent rise in wind capacity installation in Western Europe over the same period.

Wind power generation in Europe has been booming for years, helped by government subsidies and European Union (EU) legislation that aim to reduce the amount of fossil fuel used in power generation.

Once again I have proven those who "BELIEVE" in Green Energy now nothing about what they speak.

 

[idb]

News flash for those in the bubble;

Wind Turbines have been driving demand for Copper, an element that can not be replaced. Currently industry is scrambling to find a cheap replacement for copper.

Copper mining releases naturally-occurring radioactive materials.

We have thousands and thousands of wind turbines sitting idle right now, the element copper sits idle. Is this the best use for copper, 15 tons of copper per wind turbine. What if that same amount of copper is utilized in a Nuclear Power plant, it would be utilized for 500 days straight, online, never off.

How we consume the elements of the Earth defines who we are, as Human Beings.

It can be said that Green Energy is devouring copper reserves, literally like a monster.

:: WorstPolluted.org : Projects Reports

Elektra, you are a liar. Plain and simple, a liar. Here are the facts on the use of copper in the UK for windmills.

https://www.exeter.ac.uk/media/univ...graphy/pdfs/epsdissertations/Ian_Falconer.pdf

Using a novel methodology based upon data from publicly available planning
documentation, the approximate intensity of copper use is calculated at 5.64 tonnes/MW
of wind powered generating capacity installed onshore (based upon data from 30
planned or operating wind farms) and 9.58 tonnes/MW installed offshore (based upon
data from 14 planned or operating wind farms).

And, for the UK, where are they getting that copper?

Current copper scrap exports are sufficient to supply all the current and future
requirements of the proposed new wind powered generating capacity, but sufficient
capacity does not exist to make use of that scrap within the UK.

Reuters disagrees Old Crock as do the manufacturers.

European wind farms to boost copper demand - Wood Mackenzie | Reuters

European wind farms to boost copper demand - Wood Mackenzie
BY HARPREET BHAL
LONDON Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:46pm IST
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Aug 1 (Reuters) - An expansion in wind power projects in Europe is helping to boost demand for copper, providing a bright spot for the metal used in power and construction at a time of tepid consumption in the region, research consultant Wood Mackenzie said on Wednesday.

The company expects copper use in wind turbines to rise 15 percent between 2013 and 2015, against an estimated 12 percent rise in wind capacity installation in Western Europe over the same period.

Wind power generation in Europe has been booming for years, helped by government subsidies and European Union (EU) legislation that aim to reduce the amount of fossil fuel used in power generation.

Once again I have proven those who "BELIEVE" in Green Energy now nothing about what they speak.

What do you "BELIEVE" that those who "BELIEVE" in Green Energy actually believe?

 

[elektra]

World Wind Energy Association - Home

Tuesday, 08 April 2014
Shanghai/Bonn, 8 April 2014 (WWEA) – On the occasion of the World Wind Energy Conference WWEC2014 in Shanghai, WWEA has presented the key statistics of the World Wind Energy Report 2013:

World wind energy capacity reached 318’529 MW by end of 2013, after 282’275 MW in 2012.
35’550 MW of new wind capacity was added, the smallest growth since 2008, and after 44’609 MW in 2012.
The growth rate reached only 12,8%, the lowest level since modern wind power utilization has started around the world.
Wind power contributes close to 4% to the global electricity demand.
In total, 103 countries are today using wind power on commercial basis.
China was still by far the leading wind market with a new capacity of 16’000 MW and a total capacity of 91’324 MW.
The US market saw a dramatic slump and installed only 1 GW, after 13 GW in 2012.
Asia has now the same installed capacity like Europe (119 GW) and is expected to overtake Europe in 2014 as largest wind continent.

As educated as you claim to be Old Crock, this article exposes Old Crock as a liar and a propagandist.

Renewables Investment and Recent Declines | The Energy Collective

From your link

There's actually a silver lining in the numbers. Part of the decline was caused by the improving economics of solar and wind

The drop from Europe's nearly $100 billion investment in 2012 was due to Germany, Italy and France pulling back subsidy payments for new projects

Government investment was down, but public market investment market bounced back to $13 billion after 2012’s $4.8 billion investment, the lowest since 2004.

You need to read beyond the Google headlines in your search results.

You need to polish your comprehension skills, everything here states a decline, other than an $8 billion increase in public market investment, hardly enough to offset the overall decline of around $90 billion.

Yes, an optimistic silver lining, of an overall failed industry.