Green Energy Devours Copper, waste and pollutes

[Abraham3]

Old Rocks: I would not have said he was lying but that he was mistaken.

 

[elektra]

Old Rocks: I would not have said he was lying but that he was mistaken.

Yet abraHAM leaves these boards littered with dozens of posts unanswered, posts that have fact which abraHAM can not swallow and accept.

Nice job at ignoring the facts abraHAM and continuing to call the opponent a, "liar".

I bet

 

[elektra]

But, I digress, lets speak of the damage done to the environment by the Copper used in Spain's Wind Turbines.

Water pollution by copper mine, Andalucia, Spain [e820234] > Stock Photos | Royalty Free | Royalty Free Photos > Visualphotos.com

Water pollution by copper mine, Andalucia, Spain

 

[idb]

As educated as you claim to be Old Crock, this article exposes Old Crock as a liar and a propagandist.

Renewables Investment and Recent Declines | The Energy Collective

From your link

There's actually a silver lining in the numbers. Part of the decline was caused by the improving economics of solar and wind

The drop from Europe's nearly $100 billion investment in 2012 was due to Germany, Italy and France pulling back subsidy payments for new projects

Government investment was down, but public market investment market bounced back to $13 billion after 2012’s $4.8 billion investment, the lowest since 2004.

You need to read beyond the Google headlines in your search results.

You need to polish your comprehension skills, everything here states a decline, other than an $8 billion increase in public market investment, hardly enough to offset the overall decline of around $90 billion.

Yes, an optimistic silver lining, of an overall failed industry.

Yes, it does show a decline...with the explanation that most of it is linked to less government investment and the cost of production coming down.

On the other hand, private investment is increasing.
Are you suggesting that the Job Creators have got it wrong, that the entrepreneurs are wasting their money and the governments have got it right by pulling out of the renewables industry?

 

[elektra]

The Green Energy industry is devouring copper.

Imagine if General Motors could just make a field of cars, square miles of car that sit idle, that would be considered a complete waste of money, yet that is what we have with Wind Turbines.

Why Copper is My Number One Energy Investment Idea - Investment U

Copper Demand: Outstripping Supply Since 1925

Here's the important thing to know as an investor: The demand for copper is increasing nearly four times faster than the world's biggest miners can supply it.

Things like electric vehicles (EVs) and wind generators will substantially increase its use. The average gasoline-powered car contains about 55 pounds of copper, while electric vehicles and hybrids will have at least double that.

The average one-megawatt wind generator uses about four tons of copper. So does a one-megawatt solar farm.

 

[idb]

The Green Energy industry is devouring copper.

Imagine if General Motors could just make a field of cars, square miles of car that sit idle, that would be considered a complete waste of money, yet that is what we have with Wind Turbines.

Why Copper is My Number One Energy Investment Idea - Investment U

Copper Demand: Outstripping Supply Since 1925

Here's the important thing to know as an investor: The demand for copper is increasing nearly four times faster than the world's biggest miners can supply it.

Things like electric vehicles (EVs) and wind generators will substantially increase its use. The average gasoline-powered car contains about 55 pounds of copper, while electric vehicles and hybrids will have at least double that.

The average one-megawatt wind generator uses about four tons of copper. So does a one-megawatt solar farm.

Just what is your point?

 

[elektra]

The Green Energy industry is devouring copper.

Imagine if General Motors could just make a field of cars, square miles of car that sit idle, that would be considered a complete waste of money, yet that is what we have with Wind Turbines.

Why Copper is My Number One Energy Investment Idea - Investment U

Copper Demand: Outstripping Supply Since 1925

Here's the important thing to know as an investor: The demand for copper is increasing nearly four times faster than the world's biggest miners can supply it.

Things like electric vehicles (EVs) and wind generators will substantially increase its use. The average gasoline-powered car contains about 55 pounds of copper, while electric vehicles and hybrids will have at least double that.

The average one-megawatt wind generator uses about four tons of copper. So does a one-megawatt solar farm.

Just what is your point?

That millions of tons of copper sitting idle at Wind Turbines is a waste of natural resources and has caused an increase in pollution.

 

[idb]

The Green Energy industry is devouring copper.

Imagine if General Motors could just make a field of cars, square miles of car that sit idle, that would be considered a complete waste of money, yet that is what we have with Wind Turbines.

Why Copper is My Number One Energy Investment Idea - Investment U

Just what is your point?

That millions of tons of copper sitting idle at Wind Turbines is a waste of natural resources and has caused an increase in pollution.

How is it sitting idle?

Are you saying that there would be no copper being mined if there were no wind turbines?

There are TWO questions there for you to answer.

 

[william the wie]

China is buying all the copper it can find primarily for export in alternative energy exports that they do not use themselves. They are also fracking to get Natural Gas for their own energy needs but not very successfully according to CNBC a few days ago.

 

[idb]

Oops...he's gone away and started another thread on the same subject.

 

[elektra]

Just what is your point?

That millions of tons of copper sitting idle at Wind Turbines is a waste of natural resources and has caused an increase in pollution.

How is it sitting idle?

Are you saying that there would be no copper being mined if there were no wind turbines?

There are TWO questions there for you to answer.

Two questions, the first your stating that Wind Turbines spin 24 hours a day, 365 days in a row. That is an absurd contention on your part.

Second, your denying that copper is being used in Wind Turbines, another absurd contention.

 

[elektra]

Oops...he's gone away and started another thread on the same subject.

Actually this thread is about the consumption of copper by Wind Turbines and Green Energy, the other thread is about the Financial Collapse of Europe's Green Energy Industry which is resulting in massive increases in the use of Coal to offset Green Energy policy failures.

 

[Politico]

So-called green energy is anything but and that is true of all forms.

Good thing I don't care what they call it.

 

[elektra]

So-called green energy is anything but and that is true of all forms.

Good thing I don't care what they call it.

yet you care enough to post your opinion, the person who sits idle and watches the crime, actually watches and enjoys, seems like he quietly supports the crime. In your case your not quiet with your support.

 

[idb]

That millions of tons of copper sitting idle at Wind Turbines is a waste of natural resources and has caused an increase in pollution.

How is it sitting idle?

Are you saying that there would be no copper being mined if there were no wind turbines?

There are TWO questions there for you to answer.

Two questions, the first your stating that Wind Turbines spin 24 hours a day, 365 days in a row. That is an absurd contention on your part.

Second, your denying that copper is being used in Wind Turbines, another absurd contention.

Oh.
Now I understand.
I'm a bit slow sometimes.

 

[elektra]

Not only is Green Energy devouring copper, thieves have found Wind Turbines an easy mark to steal copper from.

Soaring copper prices drive wind farm crime | Windpower Monthly

Instances of copper theft and vandalism have increased significantly over the past two years, according to Park Insurance, a UK firm that specialises in covering wind projects. "We've definitely seen more claims recently," says Park's commercial manager, Mark Loud. "In one instance in the south of England, thieves used a pick-up truck to rip £12,000 of copper out of the ground."

The downtime and cost of replacing the metal are not the only setback developers can suffer. In one example in New Zealand, thieves accidentally caused the spillage of 20,000 litres of coolant oil from two transformers during failed attempt to rip out the copper.

 

[Politico]

So-called green energy is anything but and that is true of all forms.

Good thing I don't care what they call it.

yet you care enough to post your opinion, the person who sits idle and watches the crime, actually watches and enjoys, seems like he quietly supports the crime. In your case your not quiet with your support.

You think I enjoy and or support it. Bless your heart.

 

[william the wie]

"I don't care." must be an obscure phrase to some.

 

[skookerasbil]

green energy is gay.......and losing. It will be a fringe energy source for at least the next 30 years. Even the Obama EIA says it in its latest report which is posted up numerous times in the thread PROOF THE SKEPTICS ARE WINNING on page one of this forum!!!


Oh and ummmm >>>>>>>





Deeper into the abysss since 2007......steadily downward as you can see. The AGW fascist 00ks are fond of throwing out statistics on their beloved renewable energy growth but their rate of growth is pawltry as compared to 8-10 years ago!!! Nobody is investing in this shit anymore and if it didn't get the epic subsidies support it does from the government, it would become a relic of a former era.



lOsE

 

[elektra]

Yes, a great thread with great information. Fossil fuels being theoretically from plants/animals is thus renewable, once we figure out the secret.

But, Renewable stuff like Solar and Wind all use finite resources, like copper.

So lets speak of Peak Copper and the impact "Renewable Energy" has on the supply.

Green/Renewable Energy uses 10,000 x's more copper then conventional power plants, diminishing this finite resource.

The best use for copper is the most efficient but somehow efficiency does not matter to those who support Green Energy/Renewable Energy, if something is not efficient it is wasteful.

Green Energy Equals Waste. It is like a car with extremely bad milage.