Hamas' linked 'Gaza Now' posts Hitler pic threatens "zionists" [swastika palestine]

[Sherlock Holmes]

"Interpretation"???

Even your UN which is under Islamic Lobby OIC... and just has to "condemn " WHATEVER usrael does, still has stated about "Palestine" hunan shields:


Nov 6, 2023

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said in November, "Hamas and other militants use civilians as human shields."


Sep 4:

Under-Secretary-General for Political and Peacebuilding Affairs Rosemary DiCarlo said a week ago, "Civilian objects in Gaza, including infrastructure are also reportedly being used to shield fighters and military objectives, endangering the lives of civilians in and around them. Civilians should not be used as human shields."


Sep 10:

"I also emphasize that civilians must never be used as human shields."View attachment 1010248

Thank you for these remarks.

This is like "antisemitism" the prompt cessation of reasoned discourse at the mere mention of a term. In this case just saying "Hamas use human shields" is sufficient for most of the gullible to cease all criticism of Israel, the thinking being that if Hamas "do" that then can one really blame the Israelis for any wrongdoing in such a difficult situation?

Even if Hamas have in the past done something that justifies the accusation "Human shields" how does that prove that Israel never lie?

If Israel never lied then I'd have little to say on this subject but the Israelis are masters of lying, they do it routinely, go and search for that:

They lie, since the dawn of militant Zionism the nationalist fanatics have been lying, they lied about plans to ethnically cleans Palestine in the 1920, they lied about not stealing land, they lied about all of the terrorism Jewish nationalists carried out, they lied in 1948 about allowing displaced Palestinians to return, they lie today about settlers, they lie today about beheaded babies, they lie today about "accidentally" shooting unarmed peaceful protesters, they lie about torturing prisoners, they lie about raping men, they lie about everything.

Furthermore ask yourself, why on earth would any combatants "hide" amongst civilians when everyone knows it offers no form of protection? The regime is hell bent on the destruction of al llife in Gaza, they have already made it close to uninhabitable, almost all sources of water are gone, sewage treatment has gone, important roads are gone, school/education has gone, aid supplies are blocked.

So please do not insult my intelligence by trying to insinuate the Israelis have any kind of honor, the society itself despises the Palestinians, they support the genocide just like you and some others here.

Read: (emphasis mine)

Neve Gordon, professor of international law and human rights and co-author of the 2020 book Human Shields: A History of People in the Line of Fire,[6] has stated that Israeli military and government claims of Hamas using Palestinian civilians as human shields "should be understood as a pre-emptive legal defence against accusations that Israel is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza."[7] He also accuses state actors such as Israel of using human shielding allegations to hypocritically justify their own war crimes against civilians, adding: "This justification, however, functions only in one direction. When state actors kill civilians, it’s become standard to describe them as human shields. But when non-state actors attack military targets in urban settings, the civilians they kill are still recognised as civilians."[7]

See? can you grasp what Neve Gordon is telling us? That whenever civilians are killed by the IDF the ready-made defense is "Yes, terrible, but this is what happens when Hamas use human shields".

If you want to trust the IDF that's fine, but when you post apologetics like this you will be challenged.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Of course the Jews introduced no horrors into the region, unless you consider not being Muslim a horror. After all those centuries of treating Jews as second class citizens, the Arabs were horrified by the prospect of having to treat them as equals, just as white southerners were outraged into vigilante violence as black Americans demanded equal rights in the early part of the last century, so the Arabs waged war to exterminate the Jews back in the 1920's and Hamas proudly proclaims it will continue that war unless it, Hamas, is destroyed.

This is an imagined narrative, like you've listed some points on a piece of paper that fit your ideas and then joined up the dots to say "Look, this is what's really going on".

What is this "all these centuries of treating Jews as second class citizens" stuff? If Blacks in the US started slaughtering Whites would you defend that by saying ""all those centuries of treating Blacks as second class citizens".

You say "the Arabs were horrified by the prospect of having to treat them as equals" where did you get this from?

 

[Pastelli]

Thank you for these remarks.

..

Whu did you put antisemitism in quotation marks?

LOL Neve Gordon from (an old member of anti israel club lobby) Nishidani nhat pushed in in Wikipedia.
So who is Neve Gordon???

Neve Gordon​

One of the earlier (2009) BDS pushers via complete falsehoods is Neve Gordon. Even the lefty Ben Gurion Uni condemned his 'apartheid slur' and his BDS call: "We strongly reject the destructive views of Gordon, who cynically uses the existing freedom of expression in Israel and at Ben-Gurion University."

And in an email to "progressives": "The university … NEVER EVER threatened him with dismissal … as a tenured faculty member, his job is protected by law. … However, the University feels that a call for a boycott is not an issue of freedom of speech. t is the equivalent of screaming fire in a crowded theater as an academic boycott undercuts every single value that the University stands for, and were such a boycott to succeed, it would cause great damage to both the University and to the State of Israel."

Yet, BGU's anti-Israel staff has been exposed as it let him still on campus.

An extremist, hugging, shielding Arafat in the height of 2002 Intifadah massacres, lying as if he "doesn't" know who is responsible for the terror massacres.

"Gordon is so anti-Israel that his columns have been published on the neo-Nazi Zundelsite website operated by Ernst Zundel, the Nazi whom Canada recently deported to Germany, and on Islamic fundamentalist pro-terror web sites." He was "arrested for illegally trying to interfere with the Israeli army's anti-terror activities by serving as a human shield for Arafat and the wanted terrorists being hidden in PLO offices." "Neve Gordon has gotten into bed with neo-Nazis, Holocaust justice deniers, and anti-Semites. He is a despicable example of a self-hating Jew and a self-hating Israeli."

Accused of 'racist Judeophobic rhetoric.'

Taken from an article by a senior Israeli academic, this excerpt typifies the racist Judeophobic rhetoric that has come to dominate the public discourse on the Israeli- Palestinian conflict.

Accused of inciting anti-Semitism in Arab press by invoking old libels.
Described as kind of a fascist type, and who has been chastising, punishing his students for daring to challenge him on his distortion, inciting vengeful treatment against a student who dared challenged his gross lie of his defining a road of all Israelis, Israelis-roads, both Arab and Jewish, as supposedly "just" Jewish. Thus inciting hatred, as well as lying that parts of the fence were electrified, while they were just electric monitors.

(With a former al-Jazeera guy, he co-authored a "book" whereby in reality he identifies with Hamas—pushed on Wiki by decades old radicals,—both "co-authors" wrote earlier against denouncing Hamas for its routine method of using its people as human shields.

As well as against Amnesty's report: 26 March 2015, Index number: MDE 21/1178/2015: During the Gaza/Israel conflict in July and August 2014, Palestinian armed groups fired thousands of rockets and mortars at Israel, in many cases directed towards Israeli civilians and civilian objects, in violation of international law. The conduct of Palestinian armed groups, including firing from residential areas and using indiscriminate munitions that cannot be accurately directed at a military target, also endangered civilians in Gaza.)
___

NOTES:

Nicola Perugini, distorter, typical inciter :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

Nicola Perugini, distorter, typical inciter :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

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BGU's Anti Israel Staff Exposed

In a Hebrew article entitled "A Lesson in Politics", well-known muckraking Israeli journalist takes on BGU coverup of its post- Zionist faculty.

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Neve Gordon: Is He Anti-Israel?

Steven Plaut, at frontpagemag.org (3-7-05):The University of California at Berkeley has developed a new academic specialty, providing a home for anti-Israel Israelis. The anthropology department at the University of California, headed by leftist Lawrence Cohen, a leading scholar in “queer...

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The real racism: Expecting Jews to die meekly

Into the Fray: Israel needs to once again convey, unapologetically, to the world the rationale for its founding.

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[Sherlock Holmes]

LOL Neve Gordon from (an old member of anti israel club lobby) Nishidani nhat pushed in in Wikipedia.

So who is Neve Gordon???

An excellent question:

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Whu did you put antisemitism in quotation marks?

Because the term is regularly used inappropriately.

LOL Neve Gordon from (an old member of anti israel club lobby) Nishidani nhat pushed in in Wikipedia.
So who is Neve Gordon???

Neve Gordon​

One of the earlier (2009) BDS pushers via complete falsehoods is Neve Gordon. Even the lefty Ben Gurion Uni condemned his 'apartheid slur' and his BDS call: "We strongly reject the destructive views of Gordon, who cynically uses the existing freedom of expression in Israel and at Ben-Gurion University."

And in an email to "progressives": "The university … NEVER EVER threatened him with dismissal … as a tenured faculty member, his job is protected by law. … However, the University feels that a call for a boycott is not an issue of freedom of speech. t is the equivalent of screaming fire in a crowded theater as an academic boycott undercuts every single value that the University stands for, and were such a boycott to succeed, it would cause great damage to both the University and to the State of Israel."

Yet, BGU's anti-Israel staff has been exposed as it let him still on campus.

View attachment 1010445
An extremist, hugging, shielding Arafat in the height of 2002 Intifadah massacres, lying as if he "doesn't" know who is responsible for the terror massacres.

"Gordon is so anti-Israel that his columns have been published on the neo-Nazi Zundelsite website operated by Ernst Zundel, the Nazi whom Canada recently deported to Germany, and on Islamic fundamentalist pro-terror web sites." He was "arrested for illegally trying to interfere with the Israeli army's anti-terror activities by serving as a human shield for Arafat and the wanted terrorists being hidden in PLO offices." "Neve Gordon has gotten into bed with neo-Nazis, Holocaust justice deniers, and anti-Semites. He is a despicable example of a self-hating Jew and a self-hating Israeli."

Accused of 'racist Judeophobic rhetoric.'

Accused of inciting anti-Semitism in Arab press by invoking old libels.
Described as kind of a fascist type, and who has been chastising, punishing his students for daring to challenge him on his distortion, inciting vengeful treatment against a student who dared challenged his gross lie of his defining a road of all Israelis, Israelis-roads, both Arab and Jewish, as supposedly "just" Jewish. Thus inciting hatred, as well as lying that parts of the fence were electrified, while they were just electric monitors.

(With a former al-Jazeera guy, he co-authored a "book" whereby in reality he identifies with Hamas—pushed on Wiki by decades old radicals,—both "co-authors" wrote earlier against denouncing Hamas for its routine method of using its people as human shields.

As well as against Amnesty's report: 26 March 2015, Index number: MDE 21/1178/2015: During the Gaza/Israel conflict in July and August 2014, Palestinian armed groups fired thousands of rockets and mortars at Israel, in many cases directed towards Israeli civilians and civilian objects, in violation of international law. The conduct of Palestinian armed groups, including firing from residential areas and using indiscriminate munitions that cannot be accurately directed at a military target, also endangered civilians in Gaza.)

Please state your sources.

 

[Pastelli]

Because the term is regularly used inappropriately.

Please state your sources.

I did. Check it.
The other one that supported to include extremist Neve Gordon is the Hamas guy Nableezy on wiki.

Project Wikipedia - meet the antisemitic and terrorist supporting editors

Editing Wikipedia is a radicalisation tool for terrorist supporters and antisemites who are spreading their hate directly into your homes.

david-collier.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I did. Check it.

I see you added them OK. So a Jew who served in the IDF and now teaches history in Israel has upset the Zionists so much that they have nothing left to do except call him "Judeophobic" and "antisemitic". That's precisely what the Zionists say about everybody who criticisms and exposes their bigotry. That source condemns several Jews so perhaps its the site itself that antisemitic.

The term "anti Israel" too is ridiculous, of course there anti-Israel that's why they say the things they say, they are opposed to Jew supremacy, apartheid, killing critics, demolishing homes of non-Jews, unfair allocation of building permits, torture in prison, arrest of children, theft of non-Jew land, destruction of non-Jew farms, military checkpoints all over the occupied territory to that people must pass three or four checkpoints, hand over ID, answer question - just to visit the local grocery stores.

So yes they are anti-Israel why aren't you? that's the really important question.

 

[Pastelli]

I see you added them OK. So a Jew who served in the IDF and now teaches history ...

He doesn't teach "history". Did you see how he persecuted the students who dared to tell him the truth ?

Studying with Prof. Neve Gordon at the University of Michigan
By Jacob Shrybman -August 25, 2009122

Studying with Prof. Neve Gordon at the University of Michigan - Israel Behind the News

The anti-Israel climate at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor shot off the charts with the 2007-2008 addition of Professor Neve Gordon to the Political Science department. Gordon is a tenured lecturer at Israel’s Ben Gurion University and was a visiting professor at the University of...

israelbehindthenews.com

.... Gordon is a regular columnist on the neo-Stalinist anti-Semitic web magazine Counterpunch and contributor to the web site of the deported Neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel. Last year, acclaimed Prof. Alan Dershowitz wrote about him, “It is my opinion that Neve Gordon has gotten into bed with neo-Nazis, Holocaust justice deniers, and anti-Semites. He is a despicable example of a self-hating Jew and a self-hating Israeli.” Gordon led an international campaign of vilification against his own Israeli army officer, falsely accusing the officer of being a war criminal. As a result of Gordon’s campaign, the officer was unable to enter Britain for studies lest he b e falsely prosecuted. In 2006, to show solidarity with Arafat against the Israeli army, Gordon illegally snuck into Arafat’s Ramallah compound during an Israeli incursion. The editor of the Israeli daily Ma’ariv, Ben-Dror Yemini, accused Gordon and his ilk of “spreading] their articles dripping with anti-Zionist poison all over the world, some of which appear on anti-Semitic websites.”

Prof. Gordon’s playground this fall was the over 200 student Arab-Israeli Conflict course. Twice a week Gordon would have the opportunity to fill the fresh minds of University of Michigan students with skewed history and highly politicized anti-Israel rhetoric. To further legitimize his ideas he consistently embarrassed students who dared to question or object to his controversial and sometimes offensive claims.

In a lecture on November 14th, 2007 Gordon told the class that he wasn’t interested in giving an unbiased academic history of the Arab-Israeli conflict: “Jeremy asked why I would give a revisionist history. And I give a revisionist history because I think it’s true. What’s said in a textbook is not what it’s about.” His “revisionist” syllabus included the controversial book by Sandy Tolan The Lemon Tree: An Arab, A Jew, and the Heart of the Middle East, in which history is attempted to be told through the story of an Arab man who meets the woman who he claims took over his home after he was forced out by Israel. On November 19th Gordon was absent from class and instead had an appallingly biased film shown, on which the class was to take notes. “Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land” is a politically charged anti-Israel propaganda film that stars such anti-Israel celebrities as Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Hanan Ashrawi, and Neve Gordon himself.

In a lecture on October 10th, 2007 which was supposed to be about the historical Suez Crisis, Gordon purposefully digressed at length to blame Israel for the current crisis with Iran. He explained to the class that Israel gained nuclear weapons as the20outcome of a deal with France at the end of the crisis in 1956. He then stepped away from his podium to drive home his message, “You can not understand what is happening with Iran today if you don’t understand what happened with Israel in `56.” As this comment was charged with controversial anti-Israel bias, Gordon was delighted to open the class to questions. When a student, who prefaced his statement with the premise that he was Jewish, challenged Gordon’s ridiculous blame of Israel for Iran’s actions today, Gordon disregarded the Jewish student’s challenge by smirking and stating to the class, “Ben is always trying to bring us back to the present.” It was in fact Prof. Gordon who clearly brought the class discussion to that of present times. Gordon then welcomed a question from a student who claimed Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s denial of the Holocaust was “not a big deal.” By first demonizing Israel, then not allowing any student objections to his anti-Israel statements, then welcoming an out rightly anti-Semitic comment in his lecture hall, Gordon was in no way teaching an unbiased historical course, as one would have expected in an institution of higher learning.

In a lecture on November 5th, 2007 Gordon continuously used the term “Jewish roads” to refer to Israeli roads in the West Bank and formerly in the Gaza Strip from which Arabs are excluded. An Israeli student in the large class raised his hand and told Gordon that he was offended by his phraseology and said Gordon was bordering on anti-Semitism by deeming these roads “Jewish roads.” The student described for the class the complete freedom of movement of Israeli Arabs (Arabs with Israeli citizenship) on Israeli roads inside Israel and inside the West Bank. Therefore by calling the roads “Jewish” and not Israeli Gordon was being anti-Semitic. Gordon again simply disregarded the challenge to his biased teaching and appeared irritated.

The same Israeli student that challenged Gordon received a terse email after class that same day from Gordon requesting that the student come see him at his office at an appointment two days later. The student arrived at Gordon’s office and was surprised to see his Graduate Student Instructor (who directly grades the student) present as well. The student cordially greeted Gordon in Hebrew but did not receive the same warm greeting in return.

Gordon then proceeded to berate the student for publicly embarrassing and offending him during class. He belittled the student by telling him that he (Gordon) had been teaching for longer than the student20had been alive and that he had never been embarrassed and offended like that before. Behind closed doors, intimidated by his professor yelling at him, and in the presence of the person who decides his grade, the student quickly apologized and hoped the matter was put to rest. Much to the student’s dismay, in the next lecture Gordon attempted to clear his name and denounced the student’s challenging questions as unfair and unfounded, while publicly humiliating the student. Gordon’s Graduate Student Instructors further dissected the Israeli student’s challenge in the class discussion sections, and referred to the student by name without his consent.

Along with the history of scare-tactics used by Prof. Gordon in order to keep his classroom opposition quiet and disallowing any challenging of his anti-Israel positions, Gordon did not adhere to the tenet of an open environment within the structure of academic freedom. Before speaking in his class, Gordon directed students to state their name. In a large lecture hall this creates an uncomfortable environment for the students to express their own ideas. Gordon uses the students’ names in order to refute their statements or questions while referring back to each of their arguments. As a result, students were reluctant to speak up in the class.

Gordon did not attempt to hide his personal anti- Israel convictions in his teaching of the Arab-Israeli Conflict course. On December 5th Gordon discussed options for the future of the conflict. He referred to the conflict not as the Arab-Israeli Conflict but the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, disregarding the role of the region’s Arab states. When discussing the current political and strategic situation Gordon remarked, “Israel is the occupier, it is in Israel’s hands to change the status quo or not.” When discussing the outcome of changing the status quo Gordon said, “The other consequence is a continuing apartheid regime, leaving 4 million people without basic political rights.” One student challenged his use of the “apartheid” term in reference to Israel. Gordon again dismissed the question and refused to consider any opinion other than his own, bluntly saying “Those are the questions I am not going to answer.”

Gordon once again demonstrated his personal political bias with reference to proclaimed anti-Zionist author Joel Kovel. In response to the debacle over the printing of Kovel’s book Overcoming Zionism, a staunchly pro-Palestinian student group invited Kovel to speak on campus. On the day of the event, November 26th, Gordon wrote an email urging students to attend the event. At the20event one could observe the obviously friendly socializing between Gordon and Kovel, before Kovel began his speech. When politically pro-Israel distinguished Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes visited the campus on October 8th, Gordon did not show the same endorsement for his students to attend.

Prof. Neve Gordon’s first of two semesters at the University of Michigan bolstered the anti-Israel climate already present. His incessant demonizing of Israel using anti-Semitic rhetoric and his suppression of challenges to his ideas, presented a skewed course on the Arab-Israeli Conflict, unacceptable for an institute of higher learning

 

[Pastelli]

..the Zionists say about everybody ..

Don't act like a little baby: "everybody"..

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

He doesn't teach "history". Did you see how he persecuted the students who dared to tell him the truth ?

You mean a Zionist Jew accused him of "persecution" because he is not a Zionist Jew.

Studying with Prof. Neve Gordon at the University of Michigan
By Jacob Shrybman -August 25, 2009122

Studying with Prof. Neve Gordon at the University of Michigan - Israel Behind the News

The anti-Israel climate at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor shot off the charts with the 2007-2008 addition of Professor Neve Gordon to the Political Science department. Gordon is a tenured lecturer at Israel’s Ben Gurion University and was a visiting professor at the University of...

israelbehindthenews.com

Look at the article you linked to:

The anti-Israel climate at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor shot off the charts with the 2007-2008 addition of Professor Neve Gordon to the Political Science department.

Good, anti-Israel is anti-racist, anti-bigotry, anti-apartheid - nothing bad about being anti - those things.

Neve Gordon is a venomously anti-Israel political scientist, who is best known for serving as an apologist for the anti-Semitic ex-professor from DePaul University Norman Finkelstein.

So now two Jews are being attacked Finkelstein and Neve.

Here's Finkelstein, let him explain why he's anti-Israel, maybe, just maybe you'll start to snap out of the trance that the Zionist bullies have put you under:



Note how the intolerant Zionists in the audience actually try to stop him speaking.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Don't act like a little baby: "everybody"..

Very well - everybody who challenges their lies and exposes their racism and bigotry.

 

[rylah]

I see you added them OK. So a Jew who served in the IDF and now teaches history in Israel has upset the Zionists so much that they have nothing left to do except call him "Judeophobic" and "antisemitic". That's precisely what the Zionists say about everybody who criticisms and exposes their bigotry. That source condemns several Jews so perhaps its the site itself that antisemitic.

The term "anti Israel" too is ridiculous, of course there anti-Israel that's why they say the things they say, they are opposed to Jew supremacy, apartheid, killing critics, demolishing homes of non-Jews, unfair allocation of building permits, torture in prison, arrest of children, theft of non-Jew land, destruction of non-Jew farms, military checkpoints all over the occupied territory to that people must pass three or four checkpoints, hand over ID, answer question - just to visit the local grocery stores.

So yes they are anti-Israel why aren't you? that's the really important question.

Well, emphasizing his Jewishness, rather than addressing the position and counterarguments,
already give away that it's not the supposed criticism that's at the focus.

Why so desperately troll to deflect a thread?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well, emphasizing his Jewishness, rather than addressing the position and counterarguments,
already give away that it's not the supposed criticism that's at the focus.

It certainly isn't your focus else you'd focus on it.

Why so desperately troll to deflect a thread?

Are you challenging something I wrote? if so, what?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

He doesn't teach "history". Did you see how he persecuted the students who dared to tell him the truth ?

Studying with Prof. Neve Gordon at the University of Michigan
By Jacob Shrybman -August 25, 2009122

Studying with Prof. Neve Gordon at the University of Michigan - Israel Behind the News

The anti-Israel climate at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor shot off the charts with the 2007-2008 addition of Professor Neve Gordon to the Political Science department. Gordon is a tenured lecturer at Israel’s Ben Gurion University and was a visiting professor at the University of...

israelbehindthenews.com

.... Gordon is a regular columnist on the neo-Stalinist anti-Semitic web magazine Counterpunch and contributor to the web site of the deported Neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel. Last year, acclaimed Prof. Alan Dershowitz wrote about him, “It is my opinion that Neve Gordon has gotten into bed with neo-Nazis, Holocaust justice deniers, and anti-Semites. He is a despicable example of a self-hating Jew and a self-hating Israeli.” Gordon led an international campaign of vilification against his own Israeli army officer, falsely accusing the officer of being a war criminal. As a result of Gordon’s campaign, the officer was unable to enter Britain for studies lest he b e falsely prosecuted. In 2006, to show solidarity with Arafat against the Israeli army, Gordon illegally snuck into Arafat’s Ramallah compound during an Israeli incursion. The editor of the Israeli daily Ma’ariv, Ben-Dror Yemini, accused Gordon and his ilk of “spreading] their articles dripping with anti-Zionist poison all over the world, some of which appear on anti-Semitic websites.”

Prof. Gordon’s playground this fall was the over 200 student Arab-Israeli Conflict course. Twice a week Gordon would have the opportunity to fill the fresh minds of University of Michigan students with skewed history and highly politicized anti-Israel rhetoric. To further legitimize his ideas he consistently embarrassed students who dared to question or object to his controversial and sometimes offensive claims.

In a lecture on November 14th, 2007 Gordon told the class that he wasn’t interested in giving an unbiased academic history of the Arab-Israeli conflict: “Jeremy asked why I would give a revisionist history. And I give a revisionist history because I think it’s true. What’s said in a textbook is not what it’s about.” His “revisionist” syllabus included the controversial book by Sandy Tolan The Lemon Tree: An Arab, A Jew, and the Heart of the Middle East, in which history is attempted to be told through the story of an Arab man who meets the woman who he claims took over his home after he was forced out by Israel. On November 19th Gordon was absent from class and instead had an appallingly biased film shown, on which the class was to take notes. “Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land” is a politically charged anti-Israel propaganda film that stars such anti-Israel celebrities as Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Hanan Ashrawi, and Neve Gordon himself.

In a lecture on October 10th, 2007 which was supposed to be about the historical Suez Crisis, Gordon purposefully digressed at length to blame Israel for the current crisis with Iran. He explained to the class that Israel gained nuclear weapons as the20outcome of a deal with France at the end of the crisis in 1956. He then stepped away from his podium to drive home his message, “You can not understand what is happening with Iran today if you don’t understand what happened with Israel in `56.” As this comment was charged with controversial anti-Israel bias, Gordon was delighted to open the class to questions. When a student, who prefaced his statement with the premise that he was Jewish, challenged Gordon’s ridiculous blame of Israel for Iran’s actions today, Gordon disregarded the Jewish student’s challenge by smirking and stating to the class, “Ben is always trying to bring us back to the present.” It was in fact Prof. Gordon who clearly brought the class discussion to that of present times. Gordon then welcomed a question from a student who claimed Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s denial of the Holocaust was “not a big deal.” By first demonizing Israel, then not allowing any student objections to his anti-Israel statements, then welcoming an out rightly anti-Semitic comment in his lecture hall, Gordon was in no way teaching an unbiased historical course, as one would have expected in an institution of higher learning.

In a lecture on November 5th, 2007 Gordon continuously used the term “Jewish roads” to refer to Israeli roads in the West Bank and formerly in the Gaza Strip from which Arabs are excluded. An Israeli student in the large class raised his hand and told Gordon that he was offended by his phraseology and said Gordon was bordering on anti-Semitism by deeming these roads “Jewish roads.” The student described for the class the complete freedom of movement of Israeli Arabs (Arabs with Israeli citizenship) on Israeli roads inside Israel and inside the West Bank. Therefore by calling the roads “Jewish” and not Israeli Gordon was being anti-Semitic. Gordon again simply disregarded the challenge to his biased teaching and appeared irritated.

The same Israeli student that challenged Gordon received a terse email after class that same day from Gordon requesting that the student come see him at his office at an appointment two days later. The student arrived at Gordon’s office and was surprised to see his Graduate Student Instructor (who directly grades the student) present as well. The student cordially greeted Gordon in Hebrew but did not receive the same warm greeting in return.

Gordon then proceeded to berate the student for publicly embarrassing and offending him during class. He belittled the student by telling him that he (Gordon) had been teaching for longer than the student20had been alive and that he had never been embarrassed and offended like that before. Behind closed doors, intimidated by his professor yelling at him, and in the presence of the person who decides his grade, the student quickly apologized and hoped the matter was put to rest. Much to the student’s dismay, in the next lecture Gordon attempted to clear his name and denounced the student’s challenging questions as unfair and unfounded, while publicly humiliating the student. Gordon’s Graduate Student Instructors further dissected the Israeli student’s challenge in the class discussion sections, and referred to the student by name without his consent.

Along with the history of scare-tactics used by Prof. Gordon in order to keep his classroom opposition quiet and disallowing any challenging of his anti-Israel positions, Gordon did not adhere to the tenet of an open environment within the structure of academic freedom. Before speaking in his class, Gordon directed students to state their name. In a large lecture hall this creates an uncomfortable environment for the students to express their own ideas. Gordon uses the students’ names in order to refute their statements or questions while referring back to each of their arguments. As a result, students were reluctant to speak up in the class.

Gordon did not attempt to hide his personal anti- Israel convictions in his teaching of the Arab-Israeli Conflict course. On December 5th Gordon discussed options for the future of the conflict. He referred to the conflict not as the Arab-Israeli Conflict but the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, disregarding the role of the region’s Arab states. When discussing the current political and strategic situation Gordon remarked, “Israel is the occupier, it is in Israel’s hands to change the status quo or not.” When discussing the outcome of changing the status quo Gordon said, “The other consequence is a continuing apartheid regime, leaving 4 million people without basic political rights.” One student challenged his use of the “apartheid” term in reference to Israel. Gordon again dismissed the question and refused to consider any opinion other than his own, bluntly saying “Those are the questions I am not going to answer.”

Gordon once again demonstrated his personal political bias with reference to proclaimed anti-Zionist author Joel Kovel. In response to the debacle over the printing of Kovel’s book Overcoming Zionism, a staunchly pro-Palestinian student group invited Kovel to speak on campus. On the day of the event, November 26th, Gordon wrote an email urging students to attend the event. At the20event one could observe the obviously friendly socializing between Gordon and Kovel, before Kovel began his speech. When politically pro-Israel distinguished Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes visited the campus on October 8th, Gordon did not show the same endorsement for his students to attend.

Prof. Neve Gordon’s first of two semesters at the University of Michigan bolstered the anti-Israel climate already present. His incessant demonizing of Israel using anti-Semitic rhetoric and his suppression of challenges to his ideas, presented a skewed course on the Arab-Israeli Conflict, unacceptable for an institute of higher learning

TLDR.

Attacking the people who condemn the state of Israel is a rather dishonest and pathetic way of defending the state of Israel.

Move on from Neve. look at the original search results about Israel lying - why not see if you agree with any of them

Let me ask you, is there anything reported about Israel's racism and human rights abuses that you actually don't approve of? Don't just defend the ethereal "state of Israel" defend the practices, if not, then condemn them.

 

[rylah]

It certainly isn't your focus else you'd focus on it.

Are you challenging something I wrote? if so, what?

None of it has anything to do with the OP,

why can't must you deflect from it?

 

[toomuchtime_]

This is an imagined narrative, like you've listed some points on a piece of paper that fit your ideas and then joined up the dots to say "Look, this is what's really going on".

What is this "all these centuries of treating Jews as second class citizens" stuff? If Blacks in the US started slaughtering Whites would you defend that by saying ""all those centuries of treating Blacks as second class citizens".

You say "the Arabs were horrified by the prospect of having to treat them as equals" where did you get this from?

"From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

Jews had been treated as second class citizens in much of eastern Europe as well, and those who emigrated were not about to submit to second class status in Palestine as well, and the Arabs were not about to treat them as equals after being taught for so many centuries that Jews were to be treated as second class citizens.

You are a perfect counterpart to the white segregationist politicians who made up lies about the dangers of allowing equal rights to black Americans.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

None of it has anything to do with the OP,

One cannot discuss the OP without addressing and acknowledging the lies of the Zionist regime and their perpetuation by Zionists.

why can't must you deflect from it?

Let the conversation go where the participants take it, if I start talking about how to raise chickens you can accuse me of deflecting.

 

[rylah]

One cannot discuss the OP without addressing and acknowledging the lies of the Zionist regime and their perpetuation by Zionists.

Let the conversation go where the participants take it, if I start talking about how to raise chickens you can accuse me of deflecting.

If that's your premise, it explains why your goal here has been only to prevent the discussion,

so I'm asking, what about the OP makes you feel so endangered and triggered,

that you must prevent discussing it?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

"From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

Jews had been treated as second class citizens in much of eastern Europe as well, and those who emigrated were not about to submit to second class status in Palestine as well, and the Arabs were not about to treat them as equals after being taught for so many centuries that Jews were to be treated as second class citizens.

You are a perfect counterpart to the white segregationist politicians who made up lies about the dangers of allowing equal rights to black Americans.

Theocracies often treat other religious groups differently to their own. Take a look at the growth and politicization of Christianity, Islam in a similar way will seek to promote and defend the state religion, Europe was doing that six hundred years before Islam existed.

Jews were expelled from Europe for these theocratic motives, Catholics ended up on the receiving end once King Henry VIII got started.

In Israel today a Christian often do not feel safe because there are frequent attacks by maniacal Jewish fanatics, not Muslims.

I do not for one minute dispute that under an Islamic theocracy other religious are subjugated but that does not prove that all "Arabs dread living equally with Jews", that's a very different claim about an entire culture not a theocratic system.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If that's your premise, it explains why your goal here has been only to prevent the discussion,

so I'm asking, what about the OP makes you feel so endangered and triggered,

that you must prevent discussing it?

I am not "preventing" you or anyone else doing anything, that's hysterical melodrama, the old persecution complex messing with you I suspect.

Post what you want and if it piques my interest I might even respond.

Saying something you do not like is not the same as "preventing" you from talking, this is a trick of the Zionist, exaggerate and attack those who say things that the Zionists do not want to hear, insinuate that disagreement is actually just covert antisemitism.

If you don't want to hear anti-Zionist remarks then join a Zionist only forum.