Harvard Study Shows Gun Control Does Not Save Lives

[Viktor]

Harvard study shows gun control doesn't save Lives

They studied numerous countries experience with gun control.

 

[Donald H]

Harvard study shows gun control doesn't save Lives

They studied numerous countries experience with gun control.

Did they take into account America's experience that is the result of ignoring all gun control?

America chose it's course on allowing no restrictions or limitations on guns and now has to continually argue that the results should be blamed on something other than guns.

In fact, America's chickens have come home and nobody's too alarmed or concerned with the slaughter that's taking place.

Who other than Americans fkng cares?

They'll get it right eventually!

 

[1srelluc]

From the comments:

Just a point of clarification: This isn't a Harvard study. It's a study published by a student-edited law review, albeit the premier right-of-center law journal in the country.

Whoo! for a moment there I thought the leftist Ivy League was slipping.

 

[Viktor]

From the comments:

Just a point of clarification: This isn't a Harvard study. It's a study published by a student-edited law review, albeit the premier right-of-center law journal in the country.

Whoo! for a moment there I thought the leftist Ivy League was slipping.

THAT IS A LIE

 

[1srelluc]

THAT IS A LIE

You must admit it's completely out of character for Harvard who's 2021 graduates IDed as 97% progressive.

Don't get all worked up.....I suspect the study is true as far as content goes.

 

[Viktor]

Did they take into account America's experience that is the result of ignoring all gun control?

America chose it's course on allowing no restrictions or limitations on guns and now has to continually argue that the results should be blamed on something other than guns.

That is a crock of lies. Ever hear of BATF, the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms???They monitor all Federal gun law enforcement. In addition, each state has its own gun control laws.

To purchase a gun, you must pass a Background check which delays your possession for 2 weeks while the states and feds verify you have no disqualifying history of crime, mental illness and drug use.

Look up form 4473 issued by BATF.

 

[White 6]

Did they take into account America's experience that is the result of ignoring all gun control?

America chose it's course on allowing no restrictions or limitations on guns and now has to continually argue that the results should be blamed on something other than guns.

In fact, America's chickens have come home and nobody's too alarmed or concerned with the slaughter that's taking place.

Who other than Americans fkng cares?

They'll get it right eventually!

I am a personal weapons owner and permit holder, supporter of reasonable regulation. That said, that is another reasonable and justified post, in the last few minutes on unrelated topics, by you. Oh, and I admire and appreciate your optimism for my country, eventually getting it right. I hope it proves well deserved, before you and I pass, but not, certain, by any means. Nice post, though.

 

[KNN]

Harvard study shows gun control doesn't save Lives

They studied numerous countries experience with gun control.

No shit, A more armed populace with better police population interactions will save lives, but dems want it to fail so they can inact their own system. Which if you know is gonna get really 1984ish.

 

[Donald H]

I am a personal weapons owner and permit holder, supporter of reasonable regulation. That said, that is another reasonable and justified post, in the last few minutes on unrelated topics, by you. Oh, and I admire and appreciate your optimism for my country, eventually getting it right. I hope it proves well deserved, before you and I pass, but not, certain, by any means. Nice post, though.

Thanks again White. I no longer own any guns but I don't have bad feelings about the responsible use and ownership of guns. I think my feelings as a Canadian are much the same as yours, and probably a large % of American gun owners. However, we hear a much different attitude on this forum. I'm going to assume that your attitude is consistent with the large majority of gun owners in America.

 

[MarathonMike]

Harvard study shows gun control doesn't save Lives

They studied numerous countries experience with gun control.

I'm stunned that Woke Mecca Harvard didn't publish a Leftist biased study!

 

[White 6]

Thanks again White. I no longer own any guns but I don't have bad feelings about the responsible use and ownership of guns. I think my feelings as a Canadian are much the same as yours, and probably a large % of American gun owners. However, we hear a much different attitude on this forum. I'm going to assume that your attitude is consistent with the large majority of gun owners in America.

Maybe, maybe not. I think the "all the guns, unrestricted guns, for all the people, all the time, anywhere and everywhere crowd" are still in major control, at this time, as well as those that think police should not even be able to stop and frisk to remove illegally carried guns from the criminal protected class, as this would be unfair to the criminals, gangbangers, and drug dealers, simply wanting to have them to protect their underground markets, deterring competition and as basic tools of the trade. It is very complex.

 

[2aguy]

Did they take into account America's experience that is the result of ignoring all gun control?

America chose it's course on allowing no restrictions or limitations on guns and now has to continually argue that the results should be blamed on something other than guns.

In fact, America's chickens have come home and nobody's too alarmed or concerned with the slaughter that's taking place.

Who other than Americans fkng cares?

They'll get it right eventually!

Did they take into account the experience of gun control in Europe? They banned and confiscated guns in the 1920s across Europe, then by 1939, the socialists murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children....more people murdered in 6 years than in the entire 246 year history of gun murder in the U.S......

Europe has murdered more people than all the criminals with guns in the U.S....we really don't have anything to learn from you or Europe since all of their victims were innocent civilians, while those murdered in the U.S. with guns are majority criminals engaged in crime....

You can't explain that....

 

[1srelluc]

To purchase a gun, you must pass a Background check which delays your possession for 2 weeks while the states and feds verify you have no disqualifying history of crime, mental illness and drug use.

Look up form 4473 issued by BATF.

Each state's requirements are different depending on their laws but every state requires a 4473 to be filled out due to federal law.

In Virginia it takes about five minutes for a Instant Check to go through on any gun once you fill out the state (VSP) form and the fed's 4473.....Slightly longer on a handgun if you have purchased more than one handgun in a month as they also have to validate your concealed pistol permit that allows such purchases.

10-15 minutes tops if the system is running good, no wait for possession time......Almost Cash-N-Carry.

 

[Donald H]

Did they take into account the experience of gun control in Europe? They banned and confiscated guns in the 1920s across Europe, then by 1939, the socialists murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children....more people murdered in 6 years than in the entire 246 year history of gun murder in the U.S......

You're trying to compare your country's domestic murder by gun of their fellow Americans, with deaths that are totally unrelated.

Europe has murdered more people than all the criminals with guns in the U.S....we really don't have anything to learn from you or Europe since all of their victims were innocent civilians, while those murdered in the U.S. with guns are majority criminals engaged in crime....

You can't explain that....

You've repeated the same point.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe, maybe not. I think the "all the guns, unrestricted guns, for all the people, all the time, anywhere and everywhere crowd" are still in major control, at this time, as well as those that think police should not even be able to stop and frisk to remove illegally carried guns from the criminal protected class, as this would be unfair to the criminals, gangbangers, and drug dealers, simply wanting to have them to protect their underground markets, deterring competition and as basic tools of the trade. It is very complex.

Yes, I agree that those extremists are still in control. There's no way of arguing against them being in control.

But I have heard reliable reports that the majority of gun owners and also a majority of NRA members, are in favour of some sensible gun control measures.

Haven't you heard that too?

 

[1srelluc]

LOL.....Did anyone else notice that article was from 2013?

Hell I suspect anyone at Harvard that had anything to do with it has been purged by the leftists by now.

 

[White 6]

Yes, I agree that those extremists are still in control. There's no way of arguing against them being in control.

But I have heard reliable reports that the majority of gun owners and also a majority of NRA members, are in favour of some sensible gun control measures.

Haven't you heard that too?

Not only heard it, but am one of them.

 

[Donald H]

Not only heard it, but am one of them.

Just as a matter of curiosity, what is the popular gun control measures we're talking about?

From a Canadian POV, I'm pretty confident that it has to be some control measures on hand guns. I wonder if it would be possible for Americans and Canadians to reach a common ground on anything to do with hand gun control?

As a Canadian, I couldn't offer much, but maybe something is possible? Perhaps some easing of restrictions in Canada for special cases in which the intent is clearly well intentioned?
Can you offer something that could find some common ground?

In the least, we may be able to demonstrate that a discussion can take place on this forum?

 

[2aguy]

You're trying to compare your country's domestic murder by gun of their fellow Americans, with deaths that are totally unrelated.

You've repeated the same point.

Nope......murder is murder....

Gun murder in the United States for our entire 246 year history....

2,460,000

gun murder victims, majority of whom are criminals engaged in crime and their family, friends and associates.

Europe.... in 6 years......1939-1945

15 million

innocent men, women and children murdered by their governments cooperating with the German national socialists.....innocent mothers, fathers and children...not criminals.

 

[2aguy]

Just as a matter of curiosity, what is the popular gun control measures we're talking about?

From a Canadian POV, I'm pretty confident that it has to be some control measures on hand guns. I wonder if it would be possible for Americans and Canadians to reach a common ground on anything to do with hand gun control?

As a Canadian, I couldn't offer much, but maybe something is possible? Perhaps some easing of restrictions in Canada for special cases in which the intent is clearly well intentioned?
Can you offer something that could find some common ground?

In the least, we may be able to demonstrate that a discussion can take place on this forum?

We have hand gun control in this country...you cannot use handguns to commit rape, robbery, or murder.

If you do, you are arrested, and then the democrat party releases you....