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No it isnt.So I dont understand your problem. Are you saying that most rapes get reported ?Your link and my link give the same figure of 15%. Which backs up my assertion that the vast majority of offences go unreported.Those aren't rape statistics. Those are contact calls, services and hits on the site. There is an approximate number that came from this:Rape statistics
I did not think there was any doubt about that.
An Overview of Sexual Offending in England & Wales, Joint publication - ONS
You will note that it documents the difficulty in accuracy. But, even if we pretend that it presents the most accurate information, the contact calls and services accessed provide your answer for you. This would be a change that has already occurred in coming forward to report. No?
Because it's from the same link.......
You don't have anything.
I'm telling you that you can't make that claim. It's inaccurate.
No it isnt.So I dont understand your problem. Are you saying that most rapes get reported ?Your link and my link give the same figure of 15%. Which backs up my assertion that the vast majority of offences go unreported.Those aren't rape statistics. Those are contact calls, services and hits on the site. There is an approximate number that came from this:
An Overview of Sexual Offending in England & Wales, Joint publication - ONS
You will note that it documents the difficulty in accuracy. But, even if we pretend that it presents the most accurate information, the contact calls and services accessed provide your answer for you. This would be a change that has already occurred in coming forward to report. No?
Because it's from the same link.......
You don't have anything.
I'm telling you that you can't make that claim. It's inaccurate.
I believe unreported refers to not having reported the rape to the police, that doesn't mean it wasn't reported or relayed to someone else, like a physician or priest, or counselor.How is it apparently if they are unreported?Apparently most rapes do not get reported by the victims.
Which means that many rapists are out there and free to carry on with their crimes.
Do you think the culture today is sympthetic to victims or should more be done to help them ?
If so what should, or could , be done ?
The claim of unreported rape has been around a long time.
But no one can answer how we can know how many there are if they are unreported.
By definition unreported means no data or knowledge of then.
I am sure some crimes including rape go unreported but trying to measure them when they are unreported is an exercise in futility.
This is the very reason this is such a contentious and hateful topic for so many. One may not be as traumatizing as the other but they both are legally a sexual assaultA drunk guy at a party who grabs a girl's butt is now guilty of "sexual assault" just as if he were a man who jumped out of the bushes, overpowered a woman and actually raped her.
Apparently most rapes do not get reported by the victims.
Which means that many rapists are out there and free to carry on with their crimes.
Do you think the culture today is sympthetic to victims or should more be done to help them ?
If so what should, or could , be done ?
I cant see metoo as anything but positive. I am sure they have helped many women to come forward. I am sure leo was just trying to be funny.Apparently most rapes do not get reported by the victims.
Which means that many rapists are out there and free to carry on with their crimes.
Do you think the culture today is sympthetic to victims or should more be done to help them ?
If so what should, or could , be done ?
Make #MeToo an illegal organization. That would help.
I don't think bemoaning like Tommy in terms of the utter hatred for free speech is the way to go.
The organization should never be made illegal. They should simmply be mocked for their utter hypocrisy and disregard for basic liberal values such as innocent until proven guilty.
Making a claim is one thing but proving it is another. It very often comes down to his word against hers.And i think this is part of the reason women wont come forward.The problem is you don't actually have to have a credible claim just an axe to grind and a lib ear to hear it. I once got arrested for removing Absurd Decorations from my murdered fathers grave placed by the Family of the Murderers family. family had a "friend" on Police Dept and in Prosecutors office who pushed this My beliefs don't allow for Grave decorations But my beliefs werenot allowed to be used in my defense. Liberal Dem judge too!Apparently most rapes do not get reported by the victims.
Which means that many rapists are out there and free to carry on with their crimes.
Do you think the culture today is sympthetic to victims or should more be done to help them ?
If so what should, or could , be done ?
I cant see metoo as anything but positive. I am sure they have helped many women to come forward. I am sure leo was just trying to be funny.
Making a claim is one thing but proving it is another. It very often comes down to his word against hers.And i think this is part of the reason women wont come forward.
Your link and my link give the same figure of 15%. Which backs up my assertion that the vast majority of offences go unreported.Those aren't rape statistics. Those are contact calls, services and hits on the site. There is an approximate number that came from this:Rape statisticsThere needs to be an attitude change.That is a good example of more progressive thinking.Yes...the culture is far more helpful to rape victims than ever before. I have relative who is a police officer. They had a young girl arrested for prostitution and he told her....I know you are being trafficked and we can help you...he didn't take the old view of her being a criminal...... the view of women being attacked has changed..... it would be nice if the other party would stop using that as a weapon against normal men.
Maybe it wasn't offensive until they decided they could gain from coming forward
Tommy, your op states "apparently most rapes do not get reported by the victims" You have no way of verifying that; therefore, you don't get to decide what and whose attitude needs to change. You have nothing to base it on.
I did not think there was any doubt about that.
An Overview of Sexual Offending in England & Wales, Joint publication - ONS
You will note that it documents the difficulty in accuracy. But, even if we pretend that it presents the most accurate information, the contact calls and services accessed provide your answer for you. This would be a change that has already occurred in coming forward to report. No?
First there needs to be consequences for women lying about being raped. Jail time and civil law suits is a good start.
How about jail time for men who lie about not raping people when they actually did so? Civil suits? Let's get the whole picture out there. You don't seem to know that men lie like crazy about these things. Honey, men lie like rugs.
Padma Lakshmi opens up about her rape: “I'm speaking now because I want us all to fight”
Model and actress Padma Lakshmi opened up about her experience as a survivor of rape in a new op-ed published in the New York Timeson Tuesday. Lakshmi, who hosts the long-running Bravo cooking competition show Top Chef, joins countless other survivors who have shared their own stories amid the recent debate over sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh by a former high school acquaintance, Christine Blasey Ford.
In the op-ed, Lakshmi described being raped by a 23-year-old man when she was 16, and said that she waited for years to disclose what had happened. “On Friday, President Trump tweeted that if what Dr. Ford said was true, she would have filed a police report years ago,” Lakshmi wrote.
“But I understand why both women would keep this information to themselves for so many years, without involving the police. For years, I did the same thing. On Friday, I tweeted about what had happened to me so many years ago.”
Lakshmi described the assault, by the man who she had gone on some dates with. While she was sleeping at his apartment after a party, she said, she woke up to him raping her. She did not tell her friends, her family and “certainly not” the police, Lakshmi wrote in the op-ed.
I think that a good start would be to listen to girls like these.
First there needs to be consequences for women lying about being raped. Jail time and civil law suits is a good start.
How about jail time for men who lie about not raping people when they actually did so? Civil suits? Let's get the whole picture out there. You don't seem to know that men lie like crazy about these things. Honey, men lie like rugs.
No, it’s hardly a small part of the picture, it’s a nationwide problem involving tens of thousands of girls, some who have died as a result of the abuse.I think a lot of lessons have been learned there. But that is just a small part of the overall picture.Apparently most rapes do not get reported by the victims.
Which means that many rapists are out there and free to carry on with their crimes.
Do you think the culture today is sympthetic to victims or should more be done to help them ?
If so what should, or could , be done ?
Well, maybe in the UK, the rapes of young British girls should not be brushed under the rug if the rapists are "Asian" minorities, right? I mean you could start there.
But no concern with the NATION WIDE ‘asian’ grooming paedophile rape gangs - as usual.I have no idea who Keith Ellison is but I sense that you are making this a political issue. The vast majority of rape victims were probably not raped by Bill Clinton so your point is not really appropriate.I agree that it was horrendous but I dont agree with your underlying point that it was a big conspiracy against poor white girls. The media broke the story and has covered it in depth.I think a lot of lessons have been learned there. But that is just a small part of the overall picture.
That is a horrendous part of the overall picture, at least in the UK. Underage girls, adult men. The adult men were not held to account because they weren't the right skin tone and religion. The media was hush about it for political correctness. The girls didn't matter as much because they were poor and white.
Utterly, utterly horrendous. Shameful.
Anyway, that being said perhaps you could address the OP>
I am directly addressing the OP. Most rapes are not reported. What can be done to address this?
Well, how about we address the PC climate culture dead on? If you are a white male rapist, chick is in luck. She will get all kinds of kudos and sympathy. If you are dating Keith Ellison, not so very much. Or Bill Clinton, God help you, the rape never happened.
You've been on this board for years. Why the sudden concern about rape now?