Again you are a lying piece of shit.
Here is a politician I could behind…
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That is an excellent opinion piec!
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As opposed to the minority globalist/communist
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Stopping what exactly…our Republican legislature, pushing this through, even admitted they couldn’t come up with a single instance of it in our K12 schools (and I suspect it is as sparse elsewhere). It is a higher Ed law school concept yet Republican legislatures are even trying to ban it in higher and those same (pardon my French) dumbfucks who yelled about rightwing free speech in Higher Ed being under attack, applaud it.
As for Transgender issues…who is actually advocating kids become transgender? You might come up with a few freak occurrences, just like anything, but as a policy? Trend? Same with supporting it..what exactly does that mean? You support the person, who most likely is and has been for some time going through a lot of upheaval. What would be the alternative, the “not supporting it”? Throw the kid to the wolves? Let him continue to be ostracized, bullied, etc? Make medical treatment illegal? Well that is what some are doing Isn’t It? This isn’t fad medical treatment nor is it done lightly. puberty blockers for kids are prescribed rarely, surgery almost never for minors if at all. And all of this for a tiny number of kids. I was astonished to read that in the entire state of Utah, there were only five transgender kids in the school system.
It is stuff like this that is designed to gin up anger and hate and plays to the social fears of the political base to get out the vote. Are these the really important issues facing us?
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Not that easily. You can stipulate they have to go through the normal immigration process if you want.
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I doubt that's what they said. You're obviously lying about it like you always do.
Yes. His opinion sucks.
Why do I have to sacrifice my morality for China?
I don't think so...
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I dont think thats going to work for trump voters
Dreamers do not want to be sent back
but they cant expect Trumpsters to get nothing in return
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The number of LGBTQ children has increased exponentially in recent years and shows no signs of abatement. Do we really want to wait until it gets out of hand?
If an adult man wants to spend his evenings and weekends hanging out on a corner or at a gay highway reststop wearing a dress or pursuing romance with other fellows wearing a dress, that's his own affair.
But these are children.
I don't think there's any denying the faddish element. And while it's sad what people with real gender dysphoria have to go through, it's arguably worse to see so many confused kids (and their parents) latching onto it as a way to feel special.
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The guy seems ok. Logical and reasonable. Which is a big change. We disagree on many things, but my ideology is a dying breed. So that is to be expected.
One of the things we disagree on, is getting stuff done. The more washington does, the more it fucks everything up.
Gridlock is a damn good thing.
One of the things we disagree on, is getting stuff done. The more washington does, the more it fucks everything up.
Gridlock is a damn good thing.
I agree to a point. I've often said the same thing. Gridlock is good in that it filters out proposed laws and policies that don't have real consensus. But the two-party pissing match has created an atmosphere were consensus is seen as failure, and that's ridiculous.
I'd prefer to see a two-thirds, supermajority required for all legislation. This would accomplish the same thing, but wouldn't rely on the partisan nonsense.
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I could totally get behind that!
I don't think we care anymore. I know I don't. Well, excepting for misogyny, I guess. I don't like that.
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Me too. I love me some gridlock.
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no instance of CRT anywhere through K12? please cite that example of who said that statement.
Critical Race Theory Is Being Taught in K-12 Schools, First Lady Biden Supports it
First Lady Jill Biden (D) joined American Federation of Teachers Union President Randi Weingarten for a conference, voicing her support for Critical Race Theory and pushing back against Florida’s opposition.
floridianpress.com
"During the conference, Weingarten argued that “Critical Race Theory is not taught in elementary schools or middle schools or high schools.” Calling detractors “culture warriors,” Weingarten added that they are “bullying teachers and trying to stop us from teaching accurate history.”
how do we define "accurate" history?
later in this article:
"The Broward County School Board has included Critical Race Theory resources on its website, sharing that it is "in the courage of our young people to seek truth and justice in our country and take on our most pressing duties such as reforming our criminal justice system and changing the mindsets of bias, racism, and oppression." The site concludes that "change is never easy, but always necessary.”"
several examples are in here and point to videos. while they don't always call it CRT, the message is there. white people are the core issue in many of the videos and statements found throughout the websites you see linked from this article.
Critical race theory is causing controversy in K-12 classrooms. Here's what parents should know.
Critical race theory is generating controversy in some K-12 schools but experts say misinformation is what's fueling protest.
are you saying all these states are banning something that simply doesn't exist?
K-12
Critical Race Training in primary and secondary education is a growing issue and one that’s significantly more difficult to track.
criticalrace.org
would seem odd to say something doesn't exist when the website itself says it does.
Elite Private Schools
criticalrace.org
do you still wish to maintain it isn't being taught through K12? if so you'll need to take it up with criticalrace.org because they seem to disagree with you.
seems funny to me you trivialize transgender as a "few freak issues" of it being pushed then cite some rare examples, such as medical treatment illegal, as standard. you can't go both ways with this. dismiss the extreme of the other "as extreme" while you take your own extremes and say they're commonplace.
as for being shocked at what you read, do you choose to believe only 5 transgenders are in Utah or did you research it?
Here's how many transgender people live in your state
Splinter is your home for news and opinions that challenge power in our political and economic system that's becoming more unhinged each and every day.
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seems they say 7200. so do you believe what supports your views or do you challenge your own views and continue to dig when something "Doesn't seem right'?
now, for it being uncommon and not pushed on kids.
Disney/Pixar Casting for Its First Animated Transgender Character
The same studio that brought you much-loved animated features like Toy Story, The Incredibles, Finding Nemo, and Cars, is now casting for its first transgender character.
disney is pushing it hard and many of their themes are pushing it. sorry, while i do agree it's an important topic for kids, this is for the family to determine and discuss. not put these next to mickey mouse and fantasia.
National Education Association Pushes Transgendered Education in Elementary Schools
'Transgender and non-binary youth are part of classrooms all across this country and deserve to see their stories reflected in their schools and communities'
legalinsurrection.com
From the HRC blog:
interesting now however, the blog has been removed. but thousands of parents and allies coming together for this topic isn't a rare occurrence to be dismissed.
more "rare" instances.
Parents Outraged As More Schools Push Transgender Materials On THREE-YEAR OLD Kids
Handout advises teachers to ask kindergarteners for
summit.news
Exclusive Footage — Private Schools Nation-Wide Pushing ‘Queer Inclusive’ Curriculum, Trans Ideology Starting in Pre-K
Private schools across the country are training teachers to expose kids as young as four years old to sexually explicit content — in secrecy and without | Politics
www.breitbart.com
Biden Admin Issues Transgender-Themed 'Back-to-School Message' Urging Students to File Complaints Against Schools
The Biden administration is urging transgender students to complain to the feds about any 'discrimination' they might face.
www.westernjournal.com
California's new sex ed guidelines encourages teachers to discuss gender identity, masturbation
Critics say the new guidelines are an assault on parental rights and expose children to ideas about sexuality and gender that should be taught at home.
www.nbcnews.com
so, no. i don't believe these are rare occurrences that we can dismiss as fruitcakes mad about nothing.
now, to your question of "is this the most important issue we face"? it would seem so if you look at all the people pushing it. so it must be important to at least THEM and that's fine. but no one single view should overtake all.
people who are different have challenges. now, i also believe we're all "different" in some way. does someone with more challenges according to society come in as more important than my own challenges? not usually. knowing someone else has it worse seldom is known to make a person feel better about their own lot in life.
as for surgery and the like - if that's what someone wants to spend their money on, have at it. if insurance wants to cover it and offer a policy, have at it. but the gov should not be funding this or spending collective resources on needs that according to the article above, represent a small minority of our overall population.
so you can say as loudly as you wish that these topics simply do not exist, but i've shown they in fact, do. you say CRT isn't being taught cause some random GOP person said it can't be found and this means more than criticalrace.org.
look, we will never fix our issues if we think the other side is always overreacting to our needs. you dismiss the claims of the right by trying to minimize them to non existence. how would you respond if i did the same to your beliefs and needs and said not important?
from past history, you'll get mad. rightfully so. we all do.
but it's what we do after that which has us all fucked up. now, how do we fix that?
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Long response, and while you’ll find I disagree with parts, I appreciate the effort and will try to reply in kind.
For this part, I was referring to WV, where we just passed an anti-CRT law, and it was discussed in a regular radio broadcast Our Legislature Today, that covers what the WV legislature is doing. When asked if he knew of any instances where CRT was being taught in WV K12 he was forced to admit there weren’t any he knew of. Fortunately Higher Ed was removed from the final bill but still it is a bad bill.
Critical Race Theory Is Being Taught in K-12 Schools, First Lady Biden Supports it
First Lady Jill Biden (D) joined American Federation of Teachers Union President Randi Weingarten for a conference, voicing her support for Critical Race Theory and pushing back against Florida’s opposition.
"During the conference, Weingarten argued that “Critical Race Theory is not taught in elementary schools or middle schools or high schools.” Calling detractors “culture warriors,” Weingarten added that they are “bullying teachers and trying to stop us from teaching accurate history.”
how do we define "accurate" history?
A couple of issues here…first, with source. I did read the article but was disturbed by a few things. One is that for some of it’s strongest claims it offered no links or links that looped back to it’s own articles. That makes it difficult to evaluate It’s accuracy.
On “accurate history”…how do we define it (and who defines it)? That is good question that unfortunately today is largely being answered by politicians not historians. There is a lot to be said for history being written by the victors and that is apparent in the way our history has long been taught, from the viewpoint and achievements of white, male Americans. Traditionally, the voices, tragedies and contributions of blacks, women, Hispanics and others have been marginalized or omitted. Now that have found some political strength tbey want their stories to be included in history.
Gotta go, out of time, will address more later.
later in this article:
"The Broward County School Board has included Critical Race Theory resources on its website, sharing that it is "in the courage of our young people to seek truth and justice in our country and take on our most pressing duties such as reforming our criminal justice system and changing the mindsets of bias, racism, and oppression." The site concludes that "change is never easy, but always necessary.”"
several examples are in here and point to videos. while they don't always call it CRT, the message is there. white people are the core issue in many of the videos and statements found throughout the websites you see linked from this article.
Critical race theory is causing controversy in K-12 classrooms. Here's what parents should know.
Critical race theory is generating controversy in some K-12 schools but experts say misinformation is what's fueling protest.www.yahoo.com
are you saying all these states are banning something that simply doesn't exist?
K-12
Critical Race Training in primary and secondary education is a growing issue and one that’s significantly more difficult to track.
would seem odd to say something doesn't exist when the website itself says it does.
The private schools below are the Top 50 Elite Private K-12 Schools in the country, as ranked by Niche.com for 2022. As with our higher education database, some have embraced CRT explicitly, while others have a continuum of programming, such as "antiracism", "equity", and "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" that does not easily fit into a Yes/No construct. We provide information from which you can make the most informed decision possible.Elite Private Schools
do you still wish to maintain it isn't being taught through K12? if so you'll need to take it up with criticalrace.org because they seem to disagree with you.
seems funny to me you trivialize transgender as a "few freak issues" of it being pushed then cite some rare examples, such as medical treatment illegal, as standard. you can't go both ways with this. dismiss the extreme of the other "as extreme" while you take your own extremes and say they're commonplace.
as for being shocked at what you read, do you choose to believe only 5 transgenders are in Utah or did you research it?
Here's how many transgender people live in your state
Splinter is your home for news and opinions that challenge power in our political and economic system that's becoming more unhinged each and every day.
seems they say 7200. so do you believe what supports your views or do you challenge your own views and continue to dig when something "Doesn't seem right'?
now, for it being uncommon and not pushed on kids.
Disney/Pixar Casting for Its First Animated Transgender Character
The same studio that brought you much-loved animated features like Toy Story, The Incredibles, Finding Nemo, and Cars, is now casting for its first transgender character.www1.cbn.com
disney is pushing it hard and many of their themes are pushing it. sorry, while i do agree it's an important topic for kids, this is for the family to determine and discuss. not put these next to mickey mouse and fantasia.
National Education Association Pushes Transgendered Education in Elementary Schools
'Transgender and non-binary youth are part of classrooms all across this country and deserve to see their stories reflected in their schools and communities'
From the HRC blog:
interesting now however, the blog has been removed. but thousands of parents and allies coming together for this topic isn't a rare occurrence to be dismissed.
more "rare" instances.
Parents Outraged As More Schools Push Transgender Materials On THREE-YEAR OLD Kids
Handout advises teachers to ask kindergarteners forsummit.news
Exclusive Footage — Private Schools Nation-Wide Pushing ‘Queer Inclusive’ Curriculum, Trans Ideology Starting in Pre-K
Private schools across the country are training teachers to expose kids as young as four years old to sexually explicit content — in secrecy and without | Politics
Biden Admin Issues Transgender-Themed 'Back-to-School Message' Urging Students to File Complaints Against Schools
The Biden administration is urging transgender students to complain to the feds about any 'discrimination' they might face.
California's new sex ed guidelines encourages teachers to discuss gender identity, masturbation
Critics say the new guidelines are an assault on parental rights and expose children to ideas about sexuality and gender that should be taught at home.
so, no. i don't believe these are rare occurrences that we can dismiss as fruitcakes mad about nothing.
now, to your question of "is this the most important issue we face"? it would seem so if you look at all the people pushing it. so it must be important to at least THEM and that's fine. but no one single view should overtake all.
people who are different have challenges. now, i also believe we're all "different" in some way. does someone with more challenges according to society come in as more important than my own challenges? not usually. knowing someone else has it worse seldom is known to make a person feel better about their own lot in life.
as for surgery and the like - if that's what someone wants to spend their money on, have at it. if insurance wants to cover it and offer a policy, have at it. but the gov should not be funding this or spending collective resources on needs that according to the article above, represent a small minority of our overall population.
so you can say as loudly as you wish that these topics simply do not exist, but i've shown they in fact, do. you say CRT isn't being taught cause some random GOP person said it can't be found and this means more than criticalrace.org.
look, we will never fix our issues if we think the other side is always overreacting to our needs. you dismiss the claims of the right by trying to minimize them to non existence. how would you respond if i did the same to your beliefs and needs and said not important?
from past history, you'll get mad. rightfully so. we all do.
but it's what we do after that which has us all fucked up. now, how do we fix that?
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im not sure something must be "actively done" to oppose it coming into your system. you seem to be saying that since no one was yet teaching it in their state, there's no need to make it illegal. on the flip side, maybe they caught it early and kept it out vs. having to try and get it out later.
now maybe this link will work better.
Critical race theories combine progressive political struggles for racial justice with critiques of the conventional legal and scholarly norms which are themselves viewed as part of the illegitimate hierarchies that need to be changed. Scholars, most of whom are themselves persons of color, challenge the ways that race and racial power are constructed by law and culture. One key focus of critical race theorists is a regime of white supremacy and privilege maintained despite the rule of law and the constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the laws. Agreeing with critical theorists and many feminists that law itself is not a neutral tool but instead part of the problem, critical race scholars identify inadequacies of conventional civil rights litigation. Critical race theorists nonetheless fault critical legal scholars as failing to develop much to attract people of color and for neglecting the transformative potential of rights discourse in social movements, regardless of the internal incoherence or indeterminacy of rights themselves.
coyote, this isn't history, this is a political agenda. it combines as Harvard says, progressive political struggles for what they feel is important to THEM.
not the country. not us all, but them. lets see what else harvard says about this.
Critical race theorists reject the idea that "race" has a natural referent. Instead, it is a product of social processes of power. People do not have a race, writes Kendall Thomas; they are "race-d." Unveiling the legal, social, and cultural operations by which people are assigned and invested with races is one central project of critical race theory. They urge re-cognizing race not as an inherent characteristic of people but instead a product of social practices. Because unconscious as well as intentional practices construct racial status, stereotypes, and practices, legal reforms must address unconscious practices as well as intentional ones.
so race is not real, it's a man made construction to keep non white races down. well, if races are not real but a construct then how can we have "white" people TO keep non white people down? you say something doesn't exist but then divide us up by it.
as you read through what harvard says, you can see this is a political movement, not a history lesson. get it out of schools and let people who wish to take it do so as an elective of their own choosing. if you can show that this is in fact history, not politics, then it's a valid discussion. but everything im reading on the harvard site is screaming POLITICAL.
and their actions of hiding/denying/redefining terms is why you see actions of people cutting it off before it can spread.
do you feel it's ok to be proactive in addressing issues, or simply wait until your house is on fire before you buy a fire extinguisher? while you may not agree with that analogy, to me your saying "they couldn't find an example of it anywhere" doesn't mean you can't say "don't do that here".
but it is a link and i do provide those to source where i am getting my information from so i don't have you guessing my intent or purpose behind what i am saying. as for looping back to their own articles, welcome to journalism of today. if that is a qualification to throw out references, fine. then please cite your references for the things you point out (like only 4 transgender people in Utah - i showed a site saying 7200. at least i showed where i got the number for reference and research) and if it does any questionable linking, we'll simply throw it out of the discussion because it can't be believed.
if we do it to one side for XYZ reason, we do it to all. demanding "news" say what we feel is how we got into this mess. or at least a huge contributing factor. im willing to accept things i don't like as factual and true as long as you don't try to hide sources and play shell games.
why? are they in favor of teaching sex education to children? children want to be anything they see and live in their own fairy tale worlds, which can be an amazing thing. so if you show kids transgenders, how many will want to "dress up" simply because they see it? when it is an appropriate age to bring up complex sexual and gender situations to a child? can't we just let them be kids? if they have questions, fine. talk to them and have counselors and staff there for them to discuss this with. but what is the point of forcing the topic on kids?
and why is disney doing it in full force and lying about what is in the florida bill by calling it "don't say gay"? is that a fair summation when it never says that in the bill? are you representing the conservative views or mocking them with this?
again, when you intentionally mischaracterize something, why should i take you seriously when in my mind, you're not taking yourself seriously much less the topic. these statements are to mock and discredit, not understand and deal with a problem someone actually has. if you want people to address your views and "problems" seriously, then you need to do that to their views and problems as well.
our sheer and utter refusal to do that across the board today is why we're at such odds and fight at the drop of a hat, regardless of the topic.
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