Homosexuals - Born or Turn

[Talismen]

This puts it all in perspective.

Granted, this is a clip from a very old "West Wing" show, but, the point is clearly made.
Every thing "Bartlett" speaks of here can be checked out in whatever version of the bible one may choose to use. Also cross check against Strongs....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSXJzybEeJM[/ame]


Full disclosure: Yes, I watched "West Wing" for the first 3 years it was on. I was a 'moderate' right-leaner back then, and the show itself was more balanced back then too.

 

[sangha]

Doesn't matter. If they're born that way it's a birth defect. If not, its environmental or caused in some other fashion. Either way they should be givin help if they want it. Especially if it can be identified when they're very young.

My theory is that some homosexuality is caused by christian clergymen. In fact, if court testimony is to be believed (and it is), it's not a theory; It's a fact

Whatever the case the homosexuals need help. Not encouragement nor appeasment.

Is that why the leaders of christianity rape young children? Is the christian clergy so evil that they think they're "helping" the children?

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/01/california-pastor-who-backed-prop-8.html

 

[logical4u]

My theory is that some homosexuality is caused by christian clergymen. In fact, if court testimony is to be believed (and it is), it's not a theory; It's a fact

Whatever the case the homosexuals need help. Not encouragement nor appeasment.

Is that why the leaders of christianity rape young children? Is the christian clergy so evil that they think they're "helping" the children?

Joe. My. God.: CALIFORNIA: Pastor Who Backed Prop 8 Held On Multiple Child Molestation Charges

They are wrong. Do you have a problem with muslims using little boys for "love" and women for reproduction? Do you have a problem with same men condemning homosexuality because that is done with "grown" males? Do you have a problem with any other child molesters? There are child molesters that use the church to gain access to children. They are wrong. How about some less discrimminatory condemnation from you?

 

[sangha]

Whatever the case the homosexuals need help. Not encouragement nor appeasment.

Is that why the leaders of christianity rape young children? Is the christian clergy so evil that they think they're "helping" the children?

Joe. My. God.: CALIFORNIA: Pastor Who Backed Prop 8 Held On Multiple Child Molestation Charges

They are wrong. Do you have a problem with muslims using little boys for "love" and women for reproduction? Do you have a problem with same men condemning homosexuality because that is done with "grown" males? Do you have a problem with any other child molesters? There are child molesters that use the church to gain access to children. They are wrong. How about some less discrimminatory condemnation from you?

If they are wrong, why do christians continue to follow the pedophiles who lead them?

 

[rdean]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9v2uk99o2E&feature[/ame]

I'm pretty sure it's neither born nor turned. I think they're "inhabited".

 

[logical4u]

Is that why the leaders of christianity rape young children? Is the christian clergy so evil that they think they're "helping" the children?

Joe. My. God.: CALIFORNIA: Pastor Who Backed Prop 8 Held On Multiple Child Molestation Charges

They are wrong. Do you have a problem with muslims using little boys for "love" and women for reproduction? Do you have a problem with same men condemning homosexuality because that is done with "grown" males? Do you have a problem with any other child molesters? There are child molesters that use the church to gain access to children. They are wrong. How about some less discrimminatory condemnation from you?

If they are wrong, why do christians continue to follow the pedophiles who lead them?

Because they use deceit to hide in a field where many, many are good people that are trying very hard to be good leaders and to set a good example. Comparatively speaking, the percentage of child molesters across the "Christian" religions are much lower than "non-Chistian. "Most" are rejected and condemned upon discovery of that hidden side. Some are so convincing at deceit, that people believe them over the victim(s).
I notice that you, still, are selectively outraged against Christians only. Are you a bigot?

 

[sangha]

They are wrong. Do you have a problem with muslims using little boys for "love" and women for reproduction? Do you have a problem with same men condemning homosexuality because that is done with "grown" males? Do you have a problem with any other child molesters? There are child molesters that use the church to gain access to children. They are wrong. How about some less discrimminatory condemnation from you?

If they are wrong, why do christians continue to follow the pedophiles who lead them?

Because they use deceit to hide in a field where many, many are good people that are trying very hard to be good leaders and to set a good example. Comparatively speaking, the percentage of child molesters across the "Christian" religions are much lower than "non-Chistian. "Most" are rejected and condemned upon discovery of that hidden side. Some are so convincing at deceit, that people believe them over the victim(s).
I notice that you, still, are selectively outraged against Christians only. Are you a bigot?

If they are such good leaders, why do they protect the pedophiles?

And once again, instead of arguing about how good their violent and hateful ideology is, a christian argues that "At least we're not as bad as those other guys"

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Is that why the leaders of christianity rape young children? Is the christian clergy so evil that they think they're "helping" the children?

Joe. My. God.: CALIFORNIA: Pastor Who Backed Prop 8 Held On Multiple Child Molestation Charges

They are wrong. Do you have a problem with muslims using little boys for "love" and women for reproduction? Do you have a problem with same men condemning homosexuality because that is done with "grown" males? Do you have a problem with any other child molesters? There are child molesters that use the church to gain access to children. They are wrong. How about some less discrimminatory condemnation from you?

If they are wrong, why do christians continue to follow the pedophiles who lead them?

I, for one, follow Christ. Not Christian leaders.

 

[Talismen]

If they are wrong, why do christians continue to follow the pedophiles who lead them?

Because they use deceit to hide in a field where many, many are good people that are trying very hard to be good leaders and to set a good example. Comparatively speaking, the percentage of child molesters across the "Christian" religions are much lower than "non-Chistian. "Most" are rejected and condemned upon discovery of that hidden side. Some are so convincing at deceit, that people believe them over the victim(s).
I notice that you, still, are selectively outraged against Christians only. Are you a bigot?

If they are such good leaders, why do they protect the pedophiles?

And once again, instead of arguing about how good their violent and hateful ideology is, a christian argues that "At least we're not as bad as those other guys"

You're blaming all Christians for this?
Seriously?

That's equal to saying all men in their 30's, with dark greasy hair, and oogly eyes are potential pedo's. Is that fact? Of course not.

So why include all Christians?

Would you feel the same if someone said "All muslims are responsible for 9/11"? How would you answer that? Even though it is not fact...

 

[logical4u]

Because they use deceit to hide in a field where many, many are good people that are trying very hard to be good leaders and to set a good example. Comparatively speaking, the percentage of child molesters across the "Christian" religions are much lower than "non-Chistian. "Most" are rejected and condemned upon discovery of that hidden side. Some are so convincing at deceit, that people believe them over the victim(s).
I notice that you, still, are selectively outraged against Christians only. Are you a bigot?

If they are such good leaders, why do they protect the pedophiles?

And once again, instead of arguing about how good their violent and hateful ideology is, a christian argues that "At least we're not as bad as those other guys"

You're blaming all Christians for this?
Seriously?

That's equal to saying all men in their 30's, with dark greasy hair, and oogly eyes are potential pedo's. Is that fact? Of course not.

So why include all Christians?

Would you feel the same if someone said "All muslims are responsible for 9/11"? How would you answer that? Even though it is not fact...

He doesn't want to talk about the many muslim men in the ME that "are" pedos. It is a distraction. It is one of those things the people that serve in the ME are not supposed to talk about when they get back to the states; it is an accepted part of the culture for men to "use" little boys for penis receptacles and call them "dancing boys".

 

[froggy]

they choose to be man lovers.

 

[rightwinger]

they choose to be man lovers.

So?

 

[bodecea]

It doesn't matter if it's genetic or a conscious choice. Why does anyone care what makes another person happy?

Life's too fucking short people and if another finds happiness in a homosexual relationship I say good for them.

And quite frankly it's nobody's fucking business.

Homosexuality harms society, i.e. domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than heterosexuals, nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, nicotine dependence, depression, suicide and the aforementioned domestic violence.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

Pick a site.

I recommend that when anyone clicks on Logic's link....look at who is producing those "statistics"......

 

[bodecea]

Homosexuality harms society, i.e. domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than heterosexuals, nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, nicotine dependence, depression, suicide and the aforementioned domestic violence.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

Pick a site.

It's not any of your business who a person chooses to partner with.

The whole societal good thing doesn't work for me. This country was founded on individual rights not societal collectivism.

And I as an individual have a right to to choose what or what isn't my business.

Why do you homosexuals get so defensive?

You want our lives and our partners in life to be YOUR business....you are a voyeur.

 

[bodecea]

Lonestar_logic wrote:

Why do you homosexuals get so defensive?

Because your bigoted self reinforces every negative stereotype bout white, middle aged, bass ackwards, homophobic, hateful, Texans like yourself. We don't take kindly to your slander, libel, and lies,

So keep your "Lonestar Logic" to yourself.

You're the bigot, I'm not the one that's resorted to childish name calling. I've simply shown some facts about homosexuaility. Not only is it a sin but it's immoral, I'd put it in the same catagory as beastiality.

 

[bodecea]

And I as an individual have a right to to choose what or what isn't my business.

Why do you homosexuals get so defensive?

And we resort to the ad hominem.

FYI I am as hetero as a man can be. I am just not afraid of gay people. And what other people do is only your business if what those other people do infringe on your rights. As far as I know two people entering a relationship that doesn't involve you in no way violates your legal rights therefore it's none of your fucking business.

Ad hominem? No, just a simple observation. Oh and trust me I'm not a afraid of anyone much less girly men such as yourself. I've already shown how your homosexual lifestyle does affect society, but if you wish to keep your head up your or someone elses ass then so be it.

You're doing it wrong.

 

[bodecea]

Homosexuals become that way by choice, not by birth. Mostly, they become homosexuals in school. There, they are exposed to pansy, liberal teachers, who teach them to be homosexuals, both by persuasion and by example.

A particular hotbed for this kind of activity is the University of Southern California and also the University of Alabama. Both of these institutions actually have classes where homosexuality is taught and practiced. I am informed that, within the next three or four years, homosexuality will become an official major at many colleges and universities around the country.

Another way in which people are turned into homosexuals is by watching professional football on television. They watch the players in those tight pants, and it naturally turns them into gay people. And when one player slaps another player on the rear end, numerous would be homosexuals hop up and down with glee and then run out, into the street, seeking to attack straight people.

You can tell a homosexual when you see him. (Women are never homosexuals. They are lesbians. I have known four lesbians. But I digress . . . ) Homosexuals wear pink flowers in their lapels and talk with a lisp. If you tell them a joke, they will laugh, but it is a phony laugh. They don't care about your joke. All they care about is boffing you in the rear end, so watch it.

Another way to tell if someone is a homosexual or not, is by what they do for a living. All university professors are homosexuals except economics professors, who are mostly Methodists. There are some firemen who are gay, but not too many. The rest of them are just Good Guys. Lots of police officers are homosexuals. That's why they carry those long, round, sticks. I think you know what I'm getting at here. Of course you have your hair dressers, window washers and trash collectors. NEVER put the trash out early in the morning unless you are fully clothed. Many gay trash collectors like to hide in an empty trash barrel and wait for you to come out to empty the trash. Then they pop out of the trash can and say: "Hi there." Avoid something like this at all costs.

Thank you very much.

/sarcasm off

Edit Note: Another thing I have learend is, that some homosexuals who are also right wing, conservatives, can also be real assholes.

A key point to remember is that every one at Texas A&M is gay...they don't accept straights....and when the Dallas Cowboys recruit, it helps to be gay.

 

[bodecea]

George Costanza wrote:

Homosexuals become that way by choice, not by birth.

Shameless lil LIAR. I'm living proof that's BS.. I NEVER CHOOSE TO BE THIS WAY. My moms had a gay cousin, and scientists are very close to finding the "gay gene" It just makes sense, you, far from it.

Mostly, they become homosexuals in school. There, they are exposed to pansy, liberal teachers, who teach them to be homosexuals, both by persuasion and by example.

So you're another fake profile too huh, here posing as a lefty to make em look bat shit crazy, real bad. Well news flash troll dunce, they can do that fine without your help.

I'm also a staunch, rightist, gay Republican scuttles the asinine, tired stereotypes you keep tryna peddle here.





LOL yea, you gotta be a troll, no way you can be for real.

You can tell a homosexual when you see him. (Women are never homosexuals. They are lesbians. I have known four lesbians. But I digress . . . ) Homosexuals wear pink flowers in their lapels and talk with a lisp. If you tell them a joke, they will laugh, but it is a phony laugh. They don't care about your joke. All they care about is boffing you in the rear end, so watch it.

Thank you very much.

Get lost troll.

You need to learn Sarcasm....it's higher level humor, I know, but worth the extra effort.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

George Costanza wrote:

Homosexuals become that way by choice, not by birth.

Shameless lil LIAR. I'm living proof that's BS.. I NEVER CHOOSE TO BE THIS WAY. My moms had a gay cousin, and scientists are very close to finding the "gay gene" It just makes sense, you, far from it.

So you're another fake profile too huh, here posing as a lefty to make em look bat shit crazy, real bad. Well news flash troll dunce, they can do that fine without your help.

I'm also a staunch, rightist, gay Republican scuttles the asinine, tired stereotypes you keep tryna peddle here.





LOL yea, you gotta be a troll, no way you can be for real.

Thank you very much.

Get lost troll.

You need to learn Sarcasm....it's higher level humor, I know, but worth the extra effort.

Oh cmon. Htf am I supposed to know he's joking. I dunno the dude.

 

[bodecea]

George Costanza wrote:


Shameless lil LIAR. I'm living proof that's BS.. I NEVER CHOOSE TO BE THIS WAY. My moms had a gay cousin, and scientists are very close to finding the "gay gene" It just makes sense, you, far from it.

So you're another fake profile too huh, here posing as a lefty to make em look bat shit crazy, real bad. Well news flash troll dunce, they can do that fine without your help.

I'm also a staunch, rightist, gay Republican scuttles the asinine, tired stereotypes you keep tryna peddle here.





LOL yea, you gotta be a troll, no way you can be for real.




Get lost troll.

You need to learn Sarcasm....it's higher level humor, I know, but worth the extra effort.

Oh cmon. Htf am I supposed to know he's joking. I dunno the dude.

Maybe the '/sarcasm' at the bottom of his post?