Honoring The Sacrifices Of The Soviet Union in WWII….Really?

[rightwinger]

Because they are losing badly, and it is better to surrender earlier than later when even more of your people have died and your country is reduced to rubble.

You can’t have it both ways and claim the Soviets needed our lend lease to defeat the Nazis and then claim the Nazis were being beaten badly

 

[Ringo]

World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat.

This time, Tokyo Rose dived to the bottom of the stinkiest outhouse for a portion of her vile propaganda. Only Goebbels and freaks like him dared to write that it was not Hitler, but Stalin who killed most of the Soviet 27 million during the war. I wish you, nazi skunk, to choke on your nazi vomit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This time, Tokyo Rose dived to the bottom of the stinkiest outhouse for a portion of her vile propaganda. Only Goebbels and freaks like him dared to write that it was not Hitler, but Stalin who killed most of the Soviet 27 million during the war. I wish you, nazi skunk, to choke on your nazi vomit.

This time, Tokyo Rose dived to the bottom of the stinkiest outhouse for a portion of her vile propaganda. Only Goebbels and freaks like him dared to write that it was not Hitler, but Stalin who killed most of the Soviet 27 million during the war. I wish you, nazi skunk, to choke on your nazi vomit.

Watch this, Bonzo.
"In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." The shear weight of numbers eventually drove the Germans back, along with the Soviet leadership's determination not to relent, whatever the cost." http://www.moreorless.net.au/heroes/zhukov.html

The Russian general is used to such supplicant behavior. During the war, he ordered his troops to shoot any of their comrades who ran from the Germans, and any Russian village that was thought to have collaborated with the Nazis was burned to the ground. Zhukov is so feared that other Russian generals have been known to tremble in his presence.
"Killing Patton," O'Reilly


Russians would do anything not to return to Roosevelt's pal's 'paradise.'

4. The 850,000 strong army of Gen. Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov, having gone to the other side, Germany, "to save their country from Stalin" and having later surrendered to US forces, "formed the core of those forcebly repatritated between 1944 and 1947."
"Operation Keelhaul; The Story of Forced Repatriation from 1944 to the Present.by Julius Epstein p.27, 53.



Gen. Deniken, former commanding general of the White Russian armies which were supported by the USA in 1917-1920, explained that none of these men served in the Nazi army out of love for Germany..."they hated the Germans" he wrote....rather, they knew what awaited them in the 'Soviet paradise.'





More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal"byNikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.





And, in the Times, March 5, 1946: " - Many thousands of persons hostile to the present regime in the Soviet Union are being forcibly sent there....the Catholic Church constantly received appeals from 'displaced persons' terrified of being sent back to territory now controlled by Russia."

How badly did these individuals not want to go to Stalin's USSR? From the NYTimes, January 20, 1946: "Ten renegade Russian soldiers, in a frenzy of terror over their impending repatriation to the homeland, committed suicide today during a riot in the Dachau prison camp...."




That's right.....you Bolsheviks are the ones who killed most of the Russian casualties.

 

[rightwinger]

This time, Tokyo Rose dived to the bottom of the stinkiest outhouse for a portion of her vile propaganda. Only Goebbels and freaks like him dared to write that it was not Hitler, but Stalin who killed most of the Soviet 27 million during the war. I wish you, nazi skunk, to choke on your nazi vomit.

Tokyo Rose is still upset that her man Hitler did not win

 

[Ringo]

That's right.....you Bolsheviks are the ones who killed most of the Russian casualties.

Stop throwing your feces around. It is just disgusting!

 

[Correll]

You can’t have it both ways and claim the Soviets needed our lend lease to defeat the Nazis and then claim the Nazis were being beaten badly

Just because the meatgrinder that was the eastern front might be a few hundred miles more to the East, would not mean that it would not still be bleeding the germans white.


Not to mention that the UK and America forces would not be sitting on their hands.

 

[rightwinger]

Not to mention that the UK and America forces would not be sitting on their hands.

No they wouldn’t

They would be killed fighting German and then Soviet forces as they invaded Poland, Ukraine and Russia

 

[Correll]

No they wouldn’t

They would be killed fighting German and then Soviet forces as they invaded Poland, Ukraine and Russia

What are you getting out of this? Is it just that you cannot stand any criticism of a Dem historical figure? Or is it the Commies that you need to protect here?


Does the idea of a weaker Soviet Union, post war, less able to threaten teh West, seem like a BAD outcome to you?

 

[rightwinger]

What are you getting out of this? Is it just that you cannot stand any criticism of a Dem historical figure? Or is it the Commies that you need to protect here?


Does the idea of a weaker Soviet Union, post war, less able to threaten teh West, seem like a BAD outcome to you?

Just putting your ridiculous claims to rest

WWII was not a board game. It was a war that killed tens of millions of people. I am merely pointing out that the US a public would not have accepted the massive casualties to invade Eastern Europe

 

[Correll]

Just putting your ridiculous claims to rest

WWII was not a board game. It was a war that killed tens of millions of people. I am merely pointing out that the US a public would not have accepted the massive casualties to invade Eastern Europe

If Germany surrendered, we would not be invading Eastern Europe, but moving it to take over as they hand it over.


D'uh.

 

[AZrailwhale]

that's funny--I thought there is no South Vietnam today ......????!!!
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Because the PRVN started a new war after the Soviets rearmed and retrained it’s army for free.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Tokyo Rose is still upset that her man Hitler did not win

Tokyo Rose was forced to make those broadcasts. She’s been vindicated by historians.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

The war propaganda in support of the Marxists has never abated, and has led America to a precipice. Now, the truth.


1.An interesting and significant month, August.

August 20–25, 1944
Allied troops reach Paris. On August 25, Free French forces, supported by Allied troops, enter the French capital. By September, the Allies reach the German border; by December, virtually all of France, most of Belgium, and part of the southern Netherlands are liberated. World War II: Timeline.

Did you see any mention of Soviet troops there?


2. Government school propaganda provides two beliefs about the Soviets in WWII.

a. That they deserve gratitude and honor for their valiant efforts and great loses in the war

b. U.S. war propaganda had painted pipesmoking "Uncle Joe Stalin" as a friendly fellow, and the liberal propaganda left people to thinking of Communist Party members as lovable idealists.

Really???

There is no honor or credit due to the Soviet Union because they lost 20 million in the war. The glorification of the role that the Soviets played in WWII is unfounded, and almost entirely due to the neo-Marxist influence in our society due to Democrats/Liberals/Progressives doing public relations for them, as they share the same values and aims.

First: most of the Soviet loses were their troops killed by Stalin’s own forces. One reason they lost 20 million, while we lost 415,000 was due to the value that America placed on human life, and the lack of same interest by Bolsheviks: they don’t care about human life, a characteristic absorbed and propounded by the current Democrat Party.



3. "Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin"
Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin

And.....

World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat. More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.

And.....

"In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." The shear weight of numbers eventually drove the Germans back, along with the Soviet leadership's determination not to relent, whatever the cost."

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www.moreorless.net.au

Tom Clancy has a hero combat soldier exclaim his opinion about the thugs who ran the Soviet Union, the communists:

"Misha waved his hand, looking in annoyance at the way it shook. "I have never had much respect for the chekisti. When I was leading my men, they were there-behind us. They were very efficient at shooting prisoners-prisoners that real soldiers had taken. They were also rather good at murdering people who'd been forced to retreat. I even remember one case where a chekist lieutenant took command of a tank troop and led it into a fucking swamp. At least the Germans I killed were men, fighting men. I hated them, but I could respect them for the soldiers they were. Your kind, on the other hand… perhaps we simple soldiers never really understood who the enemy was. Sometimes I wonder who has killed more Russians, the Germans-or people like you?" “The Cardinal of the Kremlin,”p. 383



So those ‘great loses’ were not at the hands of the Germans, they were by their own leaders. Someone should have told Roosevelt.

Oh…wait….they did!

Love is blind.

We would not have war in the first place, had people hear what Jesus said, rather the than the what is truth question, that Pontius Pilate asked. Us, being made in the Father God's image, have the possibility to inherit a kingdom that is not of this world. They that are like the peacful Jesus, will live in that world.

 

[harmonica]

Because the PRVN started a new war after the Soviets rearmed and retrained it’s army for free.

''a new war''
ok
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[harmonica]

We would not have war in the first place, had people hear what Jesus said, rather the than the what is truth question, that Pontius Pilate asked. Us, being made in the Father God's image, have the possibility to inherit a kingdom that is not of this world. They that are like the peacful Jesus, will live in that world.

there is no god

 

[harmonica]

Tokyo Rose was forced to make those broadcasts. She’s been vindicated by historians.

she was a WHORE

 

[Ringo]

If Germany surrendered, we would not be invading Eastern Europe, but moving it to take over as they hand it over.
D'uh.

Why on earth would Germany surrender to the United States? Just like that? After it easily took over the whole of Europe?

 

[harmonica]

Why on earth would Germany surrender to the United States? Just like that? After it easily took over the whole of Europe?

-----we bombed the shit out of them...we had forces on BOTH sides......the Russians [ just outside of Berlin ] were raping the shit out of them, ETC, and they still were not surrendering

 

[rightwinger]

If Germany surrendered, we would not be invading Eastern Europe, but moving it to take over as they hand it over.


D'uh.

You are assuming Hitler would have surrendered while he still had massive forces to the East?

 

[Correll]

Why on earth would Germany surrender to the United States? Just like that? After it easily took over the whole of Europe?

IMO, the demand for unconditional surrender was a mistake. Letting the german government know that something could be salvaged, instead of the nation being absolutely crushed or occupied by the freaking commies, would have been a motive to surrender to US and the UK.