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[jon_berzerk]

So the passage was open 100 years ago. That totally destroys the argument that global warming opened it in the first place

they always get tripped up in the details --LOL

 

[Wyatt earp]

Roald Amundsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1903, Amundsen led the first expedition to successfully traverse Canada's Northwest Passage between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. He planned a small expedition of six men in a 45-ton fishing vessel, Gjøa, in order to have flexibility. His ship had relatively shallow draft. His technique was to use a small ship and hug the coast. Amundsen had the ship outfitted with a small gasoline engine.[7] They traveled via Baffin Bay, the Parry Channel and then south through Peel Sound, James Ross Strait, Simpson Strait and Rae Strait. They spent two winters (1903–04 and 1904–05) at King William Island in the harbor of what is today Gjoa Haven, Nunavut, Canada.[6][7] During this time, Amundsen and the crew learned from the local Netsilik Inuit people about Arctic survival skills, which he found invaluable in his later expedition to the South Pole. For example, he learned to use sled dogs for transportation of goods and to wear animal skins in lieu of heavy, woolen parkas, which could not deter cold when wet.

Leaving Gjoa Haven, he sailed west and passed Cambridge Bay, which had been reached from the west by Richard Collinson in 1852. Continuing to the south of Victoria Island, the ship cleared the Canadian Arctic Archipelago on 17 August 1905. It had to stop for the winter before going on to Nome on the Alaska District's Pacific coast. Five hundred miles (800 km) away, Eagle City, Alaska, had a telegraphstation; Amundsen traveled there (and back) overland to wire a success message (collect) on 5 December 1905. His team reached Nome in 1906. Because the water along the route was sometimes as shallow as 3 ft (0.91 m), a larger ship could not have made the voyage.

Mr. Westwall, it took Amundsen three years in a very small boat. Since 2007 there have been several large passenger ships that have transited the passage. Your line of arguement is not only stupid, it is also very silly.

You have shown repeatedly that you have no regard for truth.

Old rock is embarrising himself in this thread by the minute...Lmao

So in 1903 a boat made it?

You have proof a boat couldn't of made it in 1803,1703.1603,1503,1403,1203,1103?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So warming opened the passage 100 years ago, we're adding more CO2 yet somehow the Passage closed until recently?

You'd have to be a deluded cult member to believe global warming is responsible for opening the NW Passage

 

[Billy_Bob]

So warming opened the passage 100 years ago, we're adding more CO2 yet somehow the Passage closed until recently?

You'd have to be a deluded cult member to believe global warming is responsible for opening the NW Passage

Old Fraud and empirical facts dont mix.. He deludes himself on a regular basis. The NW passage opens and closes with the ocean circulation changes which have now gone cold again. Can we guess whats going to happen now that its gone cold again?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So warming opened the passage 100 years ago, we're adding more CO2 yet somehow the Passage closed until recently?

You'd have to be a deluded cult member to believe global warming is responsible for opening the NW Passage

Old Fraud and empirical facts dont mix.. He deludes himself on a regular basis. The NW passage opens and closes with the ocean circulation changes which have now gone cold again. Can we guess whats going to happen now that its gone cold again?

It's cold because of Global Warming

Has to be

No other explanation fits the facts

 

[westwall]

My, my, doubling down on stupid, are we. Yes, as the warming has progressed, there are more and more ships using the Northwest Passage. And some have already made the passage that were not armored for the Arctic. That will become a common occurrence in the coming years.

Fact Friday - Fact 2 - Polar Ocean Challenge

Circumnavigating the North Pole in a single season has only become possible due to Climate Change and the increase in the melting of the Arctic ice each summer.

This difficult feat has in fact been achieved before.

In 2010, two vessels, a trimaran and a steel hulled vessel both completed the voyage around the Arctic Ocean. The trimaran ‘Northern Passage’ was sailed by Borge Ousland, a Norwegian explorer and his crew of three.

The steel hulled sailing yacht was ‘Peter 1′, sailed by a crew all under the age of 25 and headed up by captain Daniel Gavrilo. ‘Peter 1′, a Russian yacht with a total of eight on board. Both these vessels sailed in an anticlockwise direction – sailing through the North East Passage first, and then the North West Passage.

In 2011, a British yacht ‘Eshamy’ sailed out of Hartlepool on her voyage to circumnavigate the North Pole. ‘Eshamy’ sailed clockwise round the Arctic Ocean – through the North West Passage first, and then the North East Passage.

A Polish Yacht attempted an anticlockwise circumnavigation around the North Pole in 2013. Due to the ice conditions they had to over winter in Vancouver, before completing their journey in 2014.

Yes, "more and more" that have had their bows reinforced to break ice. What you are seeing, dumbass, is TECHNOLOGY overcoming a problem. There are still very few that take the risk, to spend the money to reinforce the ships because the shipping season is still very short. Last year the summer was short and cold as an example. You ascribe mans ingenuity to global warming which makes you a double moron.

 

[mamooth]

So it took 3 years for Amundsen to get through in a reinforced-for-ice boat (something the deniers forget to mention) -- therefore deniers say the passage was always open enough to get through in one season, just like what regularly happens now!

This topic would be another example of why the world ignores deniers now. They live in their alternate reality bubble, reality keeps poking holes in that bubble, so they constantly have to patch it up with these twists of logic and contortions of history.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So it took 3 years for Amundsen to get through in a reinforced-for-ice boat (something the deniers forget to mention) -- therefore deniers say the passage was always open enough to get through in one season, just like what regularly happens now!

This topic would be another example of why the world ignores deniers now. They live in their alternate reality bubble, reality keeps poking holes in that bubble, so they constantly have to patch it up with these twists of logic and contortions of history.

"They spent two winters (1903–04 and 1904–05) at King William Island in the harbor of what is today Gjoa Haven, Nunavut, Canada.[6][7]" -- from the unread article, Mammoth. ESL?

 

[jc456]

It snowed about nine inches in Jamestown NY last week. Here in the Mid-Atlantic it was about the coolest summer I can remember. Where does CNN put it's sensors, in Death Valley?

Record heat in June and September in Vegas.

October 22, and still in the 80's.

It's called la nina.

 

[jc456]

It snowed about nine inches in Jamestown NY last week. Here in the Mid-Atlantic it was about the coolest summer I can remember. Where does CNN put it's sensors, in Death Valley?

The temperatures then went into the 70s.

I'm sure they were thankful of that.

 

[jc456]

So it took 3 years for Amundsen to get through in a reinforced-for-ice boat (something the deniers forget to mention) -- therefore deniers say the passage was always open enough to get through in one season, just like what regularly happens now!

This topic would be another example of why the world ignores deniers now. They live in their alternate reality bubble, reality keeps poking holes in that bubble, so they constantly have to patch it up with these twists of logic and contortions of history.

dude/ dudette, I still don't see why the passage is so important to you. Isn't it a good thing to be able to travel north rather than having to go to the Panama canal to get around to the Pacific? Don't understand your objective to a boat traversing an open route?

 

[mamooth]

"They spent two winters (1903–04 and 1904–05) at King William Island in the harbor of what is today Gjoa Haven, Nunavut, Canada.[6][7]" -- from the unread article, Mammoth. ESL?

I point out it took them 3 years, and you confirm it took 3 years. So just what are you babbling about?

When you manage to figure out what your point is, please let everyone know.

 

[mamooth]

dude/ dudette, I still don't see why the passage is so important to you.

Because it's a clearsign that the world is warming.

And, given the denier response here, it's clear that denying it is far, far more important to deniers.

Isn't it a good thing to be able to travel north rather than having to go to the Panama canal to get around to the Pacific? Don't understand your objective to a boat traversing an open route?

You understand that there's more to planet earth than the northwest passage, right?

As usual, the rest of the world does not share your hilarious logic failure.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"They spent two winters (1903–04 and 1904–05) at King William Island in the harbor of what is today Gjoa Haven, Nunavut, Canada.[6][7]" -- from the unread article, Mammoth. ESL?

I point out it took them 3 years, and you confirm it took 3 years. So just what are you babbling about?

When you manage to figure out what your point is, please let everyone know.

They stopped for 2 years to chill with the Eskimos. Had they not stopped, stay with me, the 3 years would have been 1 year. You get that, right. 3-2=1?

 

[mamooth]

So the new denier story is now that they stopped because they had a craving to eat blubber for a couple years?

Now, everyone else thinks they stopped because they were iced in, but if that's the new history you want to write, I suppose it's not any crazier than any other denier revisionist history.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So the new denier story is now that they stopped because they had a craving to eat blubber for a couple years?

Now, everyone else thinks they stopped because they were iced in, but if that's the new history you want to write, I suppose it's not any crazier than any other denier revisionist history.

So even if they were iced in, the ice melted, right? So if it was because of CO2, then more ice should have melted ever year until snow was a thing of the past.

But that didn't happen

 

[mamooth]

The ice doesn't melt in the same way each year. Leads blow open and shut. An area open one year might not be open the next, and visa versa.

Come on, this is basic stuff.

 

[jc456]

dude/ dudette, I still don't see why the passage is so important to you.

Because it's a clearsign that the world is warming.

And, given the denier response here, it's clear that denying it is far, far more important to deniers.

Isn't it a good thing to be able to travel north rather than having to go to the Panama canal to get around to the Pacific? Don't understand your objective to a boat traversing an open route?

You understand that there's more to planet earth than the northwest passage, right?

As usual, the rest of the world does not share your hilarious logic failure.

it is? How? Isn't that but one small area of the globe? Why don't you post up other significant global areas where you can show ice melt? Oh please, pretty please?

 

[Old Rocks]

Easily done, jc.

USGS Professional Paper 1386

Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World
About this Volume
U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1386, Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World, contains 11 chapters designated by the letters A through K. Chapter A provides a comprehensive, yet concise, review of the "State of the Earth's Cryosphere at the Beginning of the 21st Century: Glaciers, Global Snow Cover, Floating Ice, and Permafrost and Periglacial Environments," and a "Map/Poster of the Earth's Dynamic Cryosphere," and a set of eight "Supplemental Cryosphere Notes" about the Earth's Dynamic Cryosphere and the Earth System. The next 10 chapters, B through K, are arranged geographically and present glaciological information from Landsat and other sources of historic and modern data on each of the geographic areas. Chapter B covers Antarctica; Chapter C, Greenland; Chapter D, Iceland; Chapter E, Continental Europe (except for the European part of the former Soviet Union), including the Alps, the Pyrenees, Norway, Sweden, Svalbard (Norway), and Jan Mayen (Norway); Chapter F, Asia, including the European part of the former Soviet Union, China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bhutan; Chapter G, Turkey, Iran, and Africa; Chapter H, Irian Jaya (Indonesia) and New Zealand; Chapter I, South America; Chapter J, North America (excluding Alaska); and Chapter K, Alaska. Chapters A–D each include map plates.

Chapters in this Series
Published chapters are linked to the online versions.

P 1386-A: State of the Earth's Cryosphere at the Beginning of the 21st Century

P 1386-B: Antarctica

P 1386-C: Greenland

P 1386-D: Iceland

P 1386-E: Continental Europe

P 1386-F: Asia

P 1386-G: Turkey, Iran, and Africa

P 1386-H: Irian Jaya (Indonesia) and New Zealand

P 1386-I: South America

P 1386-J: North America (excluding Alaska)

P 1386-K: Alaska

 

[westwall]

So it took 3 years for Amundsen to get through in a reinforced-for-ice boat (something the deniers forget to mention) -- therefore deniers say the passage was always open enough to get through in one season, just like what regularly happens now!

This topic would be another example of why the world ignores deniers now. They live in their alternate reality bubble, reality keeps poking holes in that bubble, so they constantly have to patch it up with these twists of logic and contortions of history.

Yes, it took him three years BECAUSE HE STAYED TWO YEARS WITH THE INUIT LEARNING ARCTIC SURVIVAL SKILLS! Something you either forgot, OR IGNORED!

You give asshat a new meaning dude!