How can we possibly "secure" a national mail in vote election?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots.

Do you have any idea how many absentee ballots are cast each year?

Tens of millions.

Is that a “handful” to you?

Compared to whats to come now? ABSOLUTELY

Okay. But if it was secure enough for tens of millions of ballots in 2016, why not tens of millions of ballots in 2020?

Because democrats can't be trusted now that reality has smacked them in the face. A cornered ANIMAL is dangerous

 

[colfax_m]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots.

Do you have any idea how many absentee ballots are cast each year?

Tens of millions.

Is that a “handful” to you?

Compared to whats to come now? ABSOLUTELY

Okay. But if it was secure enough for tens of millions of ballots in 2016, why not tens of millions of ballots in 2020?

Because democrats can't be trusted now that reality has smacked them in the face. A cornered ANIMAL is dangerous

You’re being paranoid and delusional.

Tens of millions voted by mail last election and no one cared. Tens of millions will vote by mail this election and you’re all losing your minds.

Seems like you’re the cornered animal to me.

 

[Harry Dresden]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

They sky is falling.

Look, we've been doing ALL mail in ballots for registered voters in Colorado since 2003, and we haven't had any problems. The ballots are secured in multiple ways with bar codes and signatures being required. As for myself, I return my ballot (even on election day, sometimes) to a drop box located just outside of city hall where I see a line of cars (in 2 directions) all doing the same thing. It's safe. it's effortless. And it's pretty much idiot proof as long as Trump doesn't muddy the waters, that is.

How does anyone even know that the person who sent in the ballot even voted? Even received the ballot?

I'm sure there is a way to get a record of who DOESN'T vote and then miraculously, 80% of them DO vote this time.

Anyone who intends on voting is waiting for the ballot to appear in the mail. If it doesn't arrive (which is highly unlikely) they can contact their local election commission to find out the status of their ballot. The primary place where someone could be reasonably concerned about a ballot being stolen is an apartment complex, but far and away, the vast majority of those places have mailboxes which require a key in order to retrieve the mail.

In an average presidential election year, only about 52-53% of eligible voters actually vote. So, the only potential danger I see is if someone decides not to vote. All that person would have to do is tear up the ballot and throw it in the trash. Hell, even just tossing it in the trash with everyday garbage would be enough to keep it from being used. At any rate, how would a stranger know how to falsify the signature of a stranger?

I've heard the crime of voter fraud described this way: It's a crime with an extremely low likelihood of success with an infinitesimally small to negligent gain, and the person would never know what kind of effect, if any, he had because we're talking about trying to dilute millions of votes with

some people think the letter carriers have truckloads of ballots and off load them someplace besides the PO.....if i picked 10 in a day i was picking up a lot.....i dont know were this trucks full of ballots came from....

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

the great majority of mail carriers can care less about how you vote....they are trying get done before night time or going into unauthorized OT....were do you think they unload their trucks at?....just because you were in prison once gramps does not mean everyone is a fucking convict...you get caught fucking with ballots you lose the job and any pension you have earned....not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a fucking election...

My pridon record has nothing to do with this topic. The fact that you think it's relevant just shows what an idiot you are.

and you saying what you said just shows what an idiot you are....

Fail

If election "security" wasn't a concern then BOTH parties wouldn't be sending "poll watchers" to every precinct. We gonna have "poll watchers" with every mail man? At every public mail box? In every postal processing center?

Admit it, you made a STUPID FUCKING COMMENT. No need to demean yourself by doubling down.

Oh noooeeesssss....common sense!

 

[Mustang]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

They sky is falling.

Look, we've been doing ALL mail in ballots for registered voters in Colorado since 2003, and we haven't had any problems. The ballots are secured in multiple ways with bar codes and signatures being required. As for myself, I return my ballot (even on election day, sometimes) to a drop box located just outside of city hall where I see a line of cars (in 2 directions) all doing the same thing. It's safe. it's effortless. And it's pretty much idiot proof as long as Trump doesn't muddy the waters, that is.

How does anyone even know that the person who sent in the ballot even voted? Even received the ballot?

I'm sure there is a way to get a record of who DOESN'T vote and then miraculously, 80% of them DO vote this time.

Anyone who intends on voting is waiting for the ballot to appear in the mail. If it doesn't arrive (which is highly unlikely) they can contact their local election commission to find out the status of their ballot. The primary place where someone could be reasonably concerned about a ballot being stolen is an apartment complex, but far and away, the vast majority of those places have mailboxes which require a key in order to retrieve the mail.

In an average presidential election year, only about 52-53% of eligible voters actually vote. So, the only potential danger I see is if someone decides not to vote. All that person would have to do is tear up the ballot and throw it in the trash. Hell, even just tossing it in the trash with everyday garbage would be enough to keep it from being used. At any rate, how would a stranger know how to falsify the signature of a stranger?

I've heard the crime of voter fraud described this way: It's a crime with an extremely low likelihood of success with an infinitesimally small to negligent gain, and the person would never know what kind of effect, if any, he had because we're talking about trying to dilute millions of votes with

some people think the letter carriers have truckloads of ballots and off load them someplace besides the PO.....if i picked 10 in a day i was picking up a lot.....i dont know were this trucks full of ballots came from....

We also have early voting in Colorado. That means that the ballots don't come in all at once; they trickle in. And like I said, many, if not most people, choose to drop of the ballots in secure metal boxes that are specifically designed for ballots. I've seen ballot boxes outside the doors of Rec Centers. The one I use is outside of city hall (where a police station is located). It's all very well thought out and organized, and I believe that the boxes are emptied several times a day since the ballots are not small.

 

[busybee01]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

I think the immense push for this is odd, especially when you don't even have the results of a Primary in New York. How is this not a concern to voters? You want the election result two months later? Even Emperor Fauci said that in person voting is fine. Line up and vote and secure the process.

Maybe some think they are smarter than they are, I can tell you, they aren't as smart as the Communist Government of China. Some agencies probably think they can have more impact if a particular person is president, I say, "let's see you outbid the global socialists with deep pockets and the Communists who bribe and control so many". This isn't anything like the Cold War of the 70s and 80's this is a FAR greater adversary. They are in the drivers seat and leaders allowed it.

I wouldn't want to be working overseas, or maybe even domestically for particular security agencies, if China gets their way again. There was arrogance before 9/11, it's not even close to what we are seeing in some corners today. Compromised and blind to the point of willingness to lose a nation. "Hey, I'm untouchable"

Reminds me of the scene in the movie The Irishman, the best scene in my opinion, when De Niro is trying to tell Pacino (who is playing Jimmy Hoffa, possibly the most talented actor of our generation by the way), that there would be consequences if he didn't step down, "it is what it is". Pacinos response was half disgust, disbelief and ill founded arrogance, "naww, they wouldn't dare".

The West is betting our entire future that the Communists wouldn't dare. As if the last 30 years has been exaggerated. They are nullified dramatically, or this planets civilizations are in deep trouble.

Maybe you have heard of something called the coronavirus. That is why there is a push for this. We do have results in NY you lying ashole. Fauci saqys it is saqfe if you practice social distancing. That is impractical. Also the poll workers tend to be the people most at risk of dying from the coronavirus.

You have China on the brain. Russia is actively interfering in our elections and are the greatest threat.

 

[busybee01]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

They sky is falling.

Look, we've been doing ALL mail in ballots for registered voters in Colorado since 2003, and we haven't had any problems. The ballots are secured in multiple ways with bar codes and signatures being required. As for myself, I return my ballot (even on election day, sometimes) to a drop box located just outside of city hall where I see a line of cars (in 2 directions) all doing the same thing. It's safe. it's effortless. And it's pretty much idiot proof as long as Trump doesn't muddy the waters, that is.

How does anyone even know that the person who sent in the ballot even voted? Even received the ballot?

I'm sure there is a way to get a record of who DOESN'T vote and then miraculously, 80% of them DO vote this time.

The fact is that mail-in voting has been done since the Civil War. How did they know if the person who sent the ballot even voted? You are one of the biggest idiots on the board.

 

[busybee01]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

Pfft...

Entire states have been voting by mail for years. You didn't give it a second thought until you were programmed to by your blob. Really....you have zero doubt of the validity of those elections....never mentioned them once....until now.

You're full of sh*t.

The question is, where is the science behind the need to vote by mail? Fauci said voting in person is fine, so what is the real reason behind this?

This will begin the future of voting by mail, I submit that it is FAR easier to manipulate a vote in this manner than showing up with I.D (how it should be) and polling observers overseeing the election in a deconstructed manner in locations all over rather than one centralized system that can't have nearly the same oversight.

Fauci wants to maintain social distancing which is impractical. Also many poll workers are in the group most likely to die from corona virus. That means that states have had to limit the number of polling places. Voting by mail relieves that stress. States have conducted mail in balloting with no major issues.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

I think the immense push for this is odd, especially when you don't even have the results of a Primary in New York. How is this not a concern to voters? You want the election result two months later? Even Emperor Fauci said that in person voting is fine. Line up and vote and secure the process.

Maybe some think they are smarter than they are, I can tell you, they aren't as smart as the Communist Government of China. Some agencies probably think they can have more impact if a particular person is president, I say, "let's see you outbid the global socialists with deep pockets and the Communists who bribe and control so many". This isn't anything like the Cold War of the 70s and 80's this is a FAR greater adversary. They are in the drivers seat and leaders allowed it.

I wouldn't want to be working overseas, or maybe even domestically for particular security agencies, if China gets their way again. There was arrogance before 9/11, it's not even close to what we are seeing in some corners today. Compromised and blind to the point of willingness to lose a nation. "Hey, I'm untouchable"

Reminds me of the scene in the movie The Irishman, the best scene in my opinion, when De Niro is trying to tell Pacino (who is playing Jimmy Hoffa, possibly the most talented actor of our generation by the way), that there would be consequences if he didn't step down, "it is what it is". Pacinos response was half disgust, disbelief and ill founded arrogance, "naww, they wouldn't dare".

The West is betting our entire future that the Communists wouldn't dare. As if the last 30 years has been exaggerated. They are nullified dramatically, or this planets civilizations are in deep trouble.

Maybe you have heard of something called the coronavirus. That is why there is a push for this. We do have results in NY you lying ashole. Fauci saqys it is saqfe if you practice social distancing. That is impractical. Also the poll workers tend to be the people most at risk of dying from the coronavirus.

You have China on the brain. Russia is actively interfering in our elections and are the greatest threat.

RUSSIA!!!

Dumb bitch

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You stupid fucks want a smart female?

 

[candycorn]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

Pfft...

Entire states have been voting by mail for years. You didn't give it a second thought until you were programmed to by your blob. Really....you have zero doubt of the validity of those elections....never mentioned them once....until now.

You're full of sh*t.

The question is, where is the science behind the need to vote by mail? Fauci said voting in person is fine, so what is the real reason behind this?

This will begin the future of voting by mail, I submit that it is FAR easier to manipulate a vote in this manner than showing up with I.D (how it should be) and polling observers overseeing the election in a deconstructed manner in locations all over rather than one centralized system that can't have nearly the same oversight.

Fauci wants to maintain social distancing which is impractical. Also many poll workers are in the group most likely to die from corona virus. That means that states have had to limit the number of polling places. Voting by mail relieves that stress. States have conducted mail in balloting with no major issues.

And how many threads were started contesting the validity of those elections? ZERO. Now, the blob says that there is this issue and wow...every one of these morons parrots the garbage.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I've never understood why some people have such an aversion going to a polling place on Election Day and casting a vote.

Ever heard of covid-19?

Seriously? That's your reason?

We've had absentee voting for a lot longer than Covid's been around, so your answer is stupid and fails to properly address my question.

Aside from that, though, businesses have reopened around the country. Take a look around, there's no great shortage of people anywhere you go. Consequently, trying to say Covid is a valid reason for people to not go to a polling place is ridiculous.

I was in Publix (grocery store) the other day. There were probably 100 other people in the store at the same time. As far as I'm concerned, not a single one of them can claim Covid as the reason they want to mail their ballot in...

No, it's neither stupid nor is it ridiculous, but seeing as how you are a trump cult member...

Hardly a cultist, although I understand why dipshits like you need to believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you is such.

The fact if the matter is that people are out and about every single day, in the company of other people. Saying that Covid is a reason to not have people going to polling places is fucking stupid...

 

[Claudette]

I've never understood why some people have such an aversion going to a polling place on Election Day and casting a vote. I see that as something special, a responsibility to be taken seriously.

I have never cast an absentee ballot, and I will never, ever, vote by mail...

I'm with you. I always go to the polls to vote. I vote early and have doing so for years. Best way to make sure YOUR vote is counted.

Voting by mail?? No way in hell.

 

[Nostra]

If masks work, then we can vote in person.

If they don't work, we don't need to wear them.

Which is it?