How is the sun not responsible for warming the ocean?

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I agree with the first

The majority of heat is stored in the ocean. How can the sun not be responsible for that heat?

When sunlight strikes the ocean, what do you think happens?

 

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the ocean absorbs a large amount of heat from the sun, making it the largest solar energy collector on Earth. The ocean's ability to store and release heat over long periods of time plays a central role in stabilizing the Earth's climate system.

How heat moves​

The ocean is the largest solar energy collector on Earth. Not only does water cover more than 70 percent of our planet’s surface, it can also absorb large amounts of heat without a large increase in temperature. This tremendous ability to store and release heat over long periods of time gives the ocean a central role in stabilizing Earth’s climate system. The main source of ocean heat is sunlight. Additionally, clouds, water vapor, and greenhouse gases emit heat that they have absorbed, and some of that heat energy enters the ocean. Waves, tides, and currents constantly mix the ocean, moving heat from warmer to cooler latitudes and to deeper levels.

Heat absorbed by the ocean is moved from one place to another, but it doesn’t disappear. The heat energy eventually re-enters the rest of the Earth system by melting ice shelves, evaporating water, or directly reheating the atmosphere. Thus, heat energy in the ocean can warm the planet for decades after it was absorbed. If the ocean absorbs more heat than it releases over a given time span, its heat content increases. Knowing how much heat energy the ocean absorbs and releases is essential for understanding and modeling global climate.

Climate Change: Ocean Heat Content

More than 90 percent of the warming that has happened on Earth over the past 50 years has occurred in the ocean. Not all of that heating is detectable yet at the surface

www.climate.gov

 

[Crick]

the ocean absorbs a large amount of heat from the sun, making it the largest solar energy collector on Earth. The ocean's ability to store and release heat over long periods of time plays a central role in stabilizing the Earth's climate system.

How heat moves​

The ocean is the largest solar energy collector on Earth. Not only does water cover more than 70 percent of our planet’s surface, it can also absorb large amounts of heat without a large increase in temperature. This tremendous ability to store and release heat over long periods of time gives the ocean a central role in stabilizing Earth’s climate system. The main source of ocean heat is sunlight. Additionally, clouds, water vapor, and greenhouse gases emit heat that they have absorbed, and some of that heat energy enters the ocean. Waves, tides, and currents constantly mix the ocean, moving heat from warmer to cooler latitudes and to deeper levels.

Heat absorbed by the ocean is moved from one place to another, but it doesn’t disappear. The heat energy eventually re-enters the rest of the Earth system by melting ice shelves, evaporating water, or directly reheating the atmosphere. Thus, heat energy in the ocean can warm the planet for decades after it was absorbed. If the ocean absorbs more heat than it releases over a given time span, its heat content increases. Knowing how much heat energy the ocean absorbs and releases is essential for understanding and modeling global climate.

Climate Change: Ocean Heat Content

More than 90 percent of the warming that has happened on Earth over the past 50 years has occurred in the ocean. Not all of that heating is detectable yet at the surface

www.climate.gov

Interesting that you first give the ocean credit for causing warming all on its own and then tout its function as a thermal stabilizing heat sink.

 

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Interesting that you first give the ocean credit for causing warming all on its own and then tout its function as a thermal stabilizing heat sink.

It's both. It's always a source of heat but change the currents and the climate changes.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Uh.. it is.. that's the energy input...

I thought I had seen the dumbest thread all week. I was wrong.

 

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Uh.. it is.. that's the energy input...

I thought I had seen the dumbest thread all week. I was wrong.

Glad to see you agree with me that the sun is what's warming the ocean. Also glad that you agree that it's dumb to even have to argue that in the first place.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Glad to see you agree with me that the sun is what's warming the ocean.

Haha, yes, the heat on Earth comes from the Sun.

I also agree that water is wet.

You must be some sort of expert

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I went outside this morning. Nice, cool morning.

Then I went outside at noon. It was hotter!

I am going to go sequester myself, until I solve this mystery.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"Climate scientists discover the Sun. News at 11."

 

[ShahdagMountains]

To Ding.

Have you ever read Clarke’s “Childhood’s End”?

If not, l think you’d enjoy it.

 

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Haha, yes, the heat on Earth comes from the Sun.

I also agree that water is wet.

You must be some sort of expert

Certainly more than you, right?

 

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To Ding.

Have you ever read Clarke’s “Childhood’s End”?

If not, l think you’d enjoy it.

No. It sounds intriguing.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

No. It sounds intriguing.

I just watched an American/Australian miniseries of it. Not as good as the book. But not bad.

Man is not meant for the stars. And the earth will burn up and disintegrate, eventually. It’s the destiny.

 

[Crick]

I just watched an American/Australian miniseries of it. Not as good as the book. But not bad.

Man is not meant for the stars. And the earth will burn up and disintegrate, eventually. It’s the destiny.

Man in his current circumstance isn't meant for life on Earth. And I personally think the odds of the human species lasting till the sun burns us up are really, really, really close to zero.

 

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Man in his current circumstance isn't meant for life on Earth.

How so? Darwin (aka natural selection) would argue otherwise.

 

[Crick]

How so? Darwin (aka natural selection) would argue otherwise.

Homo sapiens has long ago brushed aside natural selection.

 

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Homo sapiens has long ago brushed aside natural selection.

How so?

 

[Crick]

How so?

Medicine. Artificial shelter allowing us to live comfortably anywhere from Death Valley to northern Finland. Agriculture, livestock, grocery stores. Transportation. What did you think?

 

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Medicine. Artificial shelter allowing us to live comfortably anywhere from Death Valley to northern Finland. Agriculture, livestock, grocery stores. Transportation. What did you think?

I think you are an idiot. Those are excellent example of natural selection at work. Natural selection has two components: functional advantage and transfer of functional advantage.

How can man adapting to different environments not be proving my point?

 

[expat_panama]

How heat moves​

The ocean is the largest solar energy collector on Earth. Not only does water cover more than 70 percent of our planet’s surface, it can also absorb large amounts of heat without a large increase in temperature. This tremendous ability to store and release heat over long periods of time gives the ocean a central role in stabilizing Earth’s climate system. The main source of ocean heat is sunlight. Additionally, clouds, water vapor, and greenhouse gases emit heat that they have absorbed, and some of that heat energy enters the ocean. Waves, tides, and currents constantly mix the ocean, moving heat from warmer to cooler latitudes and to deeper levels.

Heat absorbed by the ocean is moved from one place to another, but it doesn’t disappear. The heat energy eventually re-enters the rest of the Earth system by melting ice shelves, evaporating water, or directly reheating the atmosphere. Thus, heat energy in the ocean can warm the planet for decades after it was absorbed. If the ocean absorbs more heat than it releases over a given time span, its heat content increases. Knowing how much heat energy the ocean absorbs and releases is essential for understanding and modeling global climate.

Climate Change: Ocean Heat Content

More than 90 percent of the warming that has happened on Earth over the past 50 years has occurred in the ocean. Not all of that heating is detectable yet at the surface

www.climate.gov

The atmosphere by contrast is a poor conductor of heat. It doesn't store heat like the ocean does. At night the heat is releasing to outer space.

There is 1000 times more heat stored in the ocean than the atmosphere.
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The ocean has been steadily warming. So what's responsible for this warming? The sun. Or the atmosphere.

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The chart at the end suggested that the oceans have picked up 300+ zettajoules. What I'm getting is that this is 7x10^22 calories and that would mean that the ocean temp has gone up 53C. That can't be. What do you calculate?