How is the sun not responsible for warming the ocean?

[ding]

The chart at the end suggested that the oceans have picked up 300+ zettajoules. What I'm getting is that this is 7x10^22 calories and that would mean that the temp rises 53C. That can't be. What do you calculate?

What are you using for the mass of the ocean? And the heat capacity of water?

Keep in mind they are starting from 1960 and excluding the heat that existed before that. The following shows a more complete picture of heat in the ocean and temperature swings.

As for temperature... the mean ocean temperature difference between interglacial periods and glacial periods is ~ 6C. Corresponding air temperature differences are 8 to 12C.

 

[Crick]

I think you are an idiot. Those are excellent example of natural selection at work. Natural selection has two components: functional advantage and transfer of functional advantage.

How can man adapting to different environments not be proving my point?

Shove it up your ass dipshit.

 

[ding]

Shove it up your ass dipshit.

It's idiotic to believe that Homo sapiens are no longer subject to natural selection.

 

[Crick]

It's idiotic to believe that Homo sapiens are no longer subject to natural selection.

It's idiotic for you to believe anyone on this forum, even the braindead deniers here, thinks you know what you're talking about re ANYTHING.

 

[ding]

It's idiotic for you to believe anyone on this forum, even the braindead deniers here, thinks you know what you're talking about re ANYTHING.

Yes, because saying living things are subject to natural selection is so far fetched.

 

[Crick]

STUPIDEST LYINGEST PIECE OF SHIT ON ALL OF USMB

 

[initforme]

We haven't discussed the amount of garbage thrown in the ocean. It costs less than zero. LESS THAN ZERO to deal with it through regulations. To follow regulations puts millions in the pocketbook of the wealthy owners.

 

[ding]

We haven't discussed the amount of garbage thrown in the ocean. It costs less than zero. LESS THAN ZERO to deal with it through regulations. To follow regulations puts millions in the pocketbook of the wealthy owners.

Regulations usually cost money to comply with.

 

[initforme]

Regulations usually cost money to comply with.

No they don't. They add zero costs.

 

[ding]

No they don't. They add zero costs.

"...the average US firm spends between 1.3 and 3.3 percent of its total wage bill on regulatory compliance..."

https://www.cato.org/research-briefs-economic-policy/cost-regulatory-compliance-united-states#:~:text=Our%20study%20combines%20data%20on,wage%20bill%20on%20regulatory%20compliance.

 

[initforme]

"...the average US firm spends between 1.3 and 3.3 percent of its total wage bill on regulatory compliance..."

https://www.cato.org/research-briefs-economic-policy/cost-regulatory-compliance-united-states#:~:text=Our%20study%20combines%20data%20on,wage%20bill%20on%20regulatory%20compliance.

So it's either clean air and water or what the corpiratists want which is pollution. Willfully polluting. Is that your goal?

 

[ding]

So it's either clean air and water or what the corpiratists want which is pollution. Willfully polluting. Is that your goal?

I'm not arguing either point, dear. I'm only stating reality. There is a cost for regulations. You said there was none. That is incorrect.

 

[expat_panama]

What are you using for the mass of the ocean? And the heat capacity of water?

A good estimate of the mass of all the oceans on the earth is--

ibliographic Entry	Result (w/surrounding text)	Standardized Result
Ray, Bill T. Water Quality & Usage. Southern Illinois University at Carbondale.	"Oceans 13,700 × 1017 kg"	1.37 × 1021 kg
The Concise Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia. 3rd ed. New York: Columbia University Press, 1994.	"Total volume of about 1.347 × 109 cu km"	1.347 × 1021 kg
Ciesielski, Origin of the Oceans, Atmosphere, and Life. Evolution of Earth & Life. University of Florida.	"Mass of oceans = 1.4 × 1024 grams"	1.4 × 1021 kg
CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. Ed. Robert C. Weast. New York: CRC Press, 1980: F-199.	"Area of world oceans 361 × 106 km2 Mean depth of world oceans 3794 m"	1.37 × 1021 kg
Useful Quantities in Climate Research. Pacific Rim Energy and Environment Network. Climate Change Information Center.	"Ocean mass 1.384 × 1021 kg Modified from Clark, W. C. (ed.). 1982. Carbon Dioxide Review: 1982, p. 469, Oxford University Press, New York."	1.384 × 1021 kg

--about 1.37x10^21kg. The specific heat of water is by definition 1. That would mean it would take 1..37x10^21 kCalories or 0.237x10^21 joules) to heat the oceans 1C. That would be 23,700 petajoules. A lot more than the 300 petajoules in the above post. Can we get together on this?

 

[ding]

A good estimate of the mass of all the oceans on the earth is--


--about 1.37x10^21kg. The specific heat of water is by definition 1. That would mean it would take 1..37x10^21 kCalories or 0.237x10^21 joules) to heat the oceans 1C. That would be 23,700 petajoules. A lot more than the 300 petajoules in the above post. Can we get together on this?

So you are saying this is incorrect?

 

[expat_panama]

So you are saying this is incorrect?

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actually, it looks about right. My approach is to work w/ calories and pure water has 1 calorie per gram per K (or C) and that's equal to 4.184 joules. instead, he's got 3.993 per gram or 3993J/kg/K, meaning that his specific heat yields an absorption capacity of ocean water at 4.0 instead of the 4.2 for pure water. We may be differing w/ the amount of calories available from sunlight for absorption.

 

[Crick]

actually, it looks about right. My approach is to work w/ calories and pure water has 1 calorie per gram per K (or C) and that's equal to 4.184 joules. instead, he's got 3.993 per gram or 3993J/kg/K, meaning that his specific heat yields an absorption capacity of ocean water at 4.0 instead of the 4.2 for pure water. We may be differing w/ the amount of calories available from sunlight for absorption.

The specific heat capacity of seawater differs slightly from that of pure water.

 

[ding]

The main source of ocean heat is sunlight.

 

[Crick]

The main source of ocean heat is sunlight.

The main source of all heat on this planet is sunlight.

 

[ding]

The main source of all heat on this planet is sunlight.

Yes, and the ocean either cools or warms. For the last 3 million years the ocean cooled when the northern hemisphere glaciated and warmed when the northern hemisphere deglaciated.

There is physical evidence that shows ocean currents are responsible for the northern hemisphere glaciating and deglaciating.

 

[Crick]

Yes, and the ocean either cools or warms. For the last 3 million years the ocean cooled when the northern hemisphere glaciated and warmed when the northern hemisphere deglaciated.

There is physical evidence that shows ocean currents are responsible for the northern hemisphere glaciating and deglaciating.

What physical evidence is there that ocean currents are responsible for the glacial-integlacial cycle or the warming of the last 150 years?