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[Hector12]

Sounds like an oxymoron. Who is going to create the wealth?

The workers.

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds like an oxymoron. Who is going to create the wealth?

Capitol is created by labor.

The Capitalist is a parasite that has convinced the working class he is a vital organ.

 

[Hector12]

Capitol is created by labor.

The Capitalist is a parasite that has convinced the working class he is a vital organ.

I want to give this comment half a thumbs up.

Employers and employees need each other, but the better paid employers do not need to be paid so much, and the worse paid employees do not need to be paid so little.

Charles Murray has pointed out that intelligence is becoming increasingly important to income. He has also pointed out that people have no control over their intelligence. That is to say, brilliant people do not deserve to be brilliant; stupid people do not deserve to be stupid.

Therefore, Charles Murray is in favor of efforts to reduce economic inequality. So am I. That is why I vote Democrat.

 

[there4eyeM]

Wealth comes from effort/work/labor.
Capitalism that developed in the Renaissance helped Europe and its civilization develop. That led to industrialization and the group that Marx identified as "workers". Society evolved/changed/developed. New situations arose that no one was prepared to effectively deal with. Capitalism displayed its faults and ideologies did the same. Many points of division were born and various individuals and groups seized upon these for their own ends.
New approaches are needed to economics and society. Humans have learned too much for the current state of things to be tolerable. It is embarrassing to our race that we are not doing much, much better. Old follies will have to be abandoned and their animosities with them. "Left" and "right" are useless terms now that they have been so grossly overused and distorted. The mistakes of the past can be avoided if we do not depend on the past to define us.

 

[jwoodie]

These posts are examples of trying to create Nirvana in a test tube. Do "workers" create new companies and new technologies? Who is going to work 18 hour days and risk their resources for no personal benefit? The New Soviet Man?

 

[JoeB131]

I want to give this comment half a thumbs up.

Employers and employees need each other, but the better paid employers do not need to be paid so much, and the worse paid employees do not need to be paid so little.

I don't even want half a thumbs up from your Nazi Ass.

The problem, of course is that capitalism is a race to the bottom. We acheived a pretty good balance after WWII (at least for white people) but the One Percenters are happy to claw that back.

Charles Murray has pointed out that intelligence is becoming increasingly important to income. He has also pointed out that people have no control over their intelligence. That is to say, brilliant people do not deserve to be brilliant; stupid people do not deserve to be stupid.

Charles Murray is a crack with bullshit studies his own university has disowned. He shows why Tenure needs to be a thing of the past.

I have two brothers. One is kind of an idiot. The other is bright, but simply doesn't apply himself. But they both got into unions, so they make pretty good money. I went the college route, first member of my family to get a degree. Hasn't been as easy as a ride, really. If I had been brighter, I'd have jumped into the corporate world instead of going active duty military after college.

But the notion that their is a genetic factor here is just... silly.

Therefore, Charles Murray is in favor of efforts to reduce economic inequality. So am I. That is why I vote Democrat.

 

[JoeB131]

These posts are examples of trying to create Nirvana in a test tube. Do "workers" create new companies and new technologies? Who is going to work 18 hour days and risk their resources for no personal benefit? The New Soviet Man?

Actually, you could have government assign priorities in research and improvement. Then maybe we'd get a cure for cancer instead of a boner pill.

 

[Hector12]

I don't even want half a thumbs up from your Nazi Ass.

The problem, of course is that capitalism is a race to the bottom. We acheived a pretty good balance after WWII (at least for white people) but the One Percenters are happy to claw that back.



Charles Murray is a crack with bullshit studies his own university has disowned. He shows why Tenure needs to be a thing of the past.

I have two brothers. One is kind of an idiot. The other is bright, but simply doesn't apply himself. But they both got into unions, so they make pretty good money. I went the college route, first member of my family to get a degree. Hasn't been as easy as a ride, really. If I had been brighter, I'd have jumped into the corporate world instead of going active duty military after college.

But the notion that their is a genetic factor here is just... silly.

I wanted to see how you would respond to a conciliatory comment.

Unfortunately I just did.

By calling me a Nazi you are committing two logical fallacies: the straw man fallacy, and the guilt by association fallacy.

On many occasions I have mentioned that I admire Jews, respect Judaism, and I love Israel. I am also in favor of the free expression of facts and opinions. The Nazis had other opinions on these subjects. So do you.

With you hostility toward Jews and your support for censorship and thought control, you are incomparably more similar to a Nazi than I am.

 

[JoeB131]

I wanted to see how you would respond to a conciliatory comment.

Unfortunately I just did.

That I still think you are a racist piece of excrement? I thought I made that pretty clear.

By calling me a Nazi you are committing two logical fallacies: the straw man fallacy, and the guilt by association fallacy.

Uh, no, you just took the Nazi Playbook, lined out "Jew" and put "Negro" in it's place. It's still reprehensible.

On many occasions I have mentioned that I admire Jews, respect Judaism, and I love Israel. I am also in favor of the free expression of facts and opinions. The Nazis had other opinions on these subjects. So do you.

Yeah, Jews are now "White enough" for you... we'll just ignore that you only like the White ones (Ashkenazim) and are less concerned about the ones who are a little darker.

With you hostility toward Jews and your support for censorship and thought control, you are incomparably more similar to a Nazi than I am.

Um, criticizing silly beliefs is not hostility... especially when I criticize all religions about equally

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A political thinker should be read for insight, rather than doctrine. Most people like what a political thinker says, and agree with all of it, or they dislike it, and assume that it is all mistaken.

Edmund Burke and Karl Marx are seen as polar opposites. Burke favored slow, evolutionary changes, respecting what already existed.

Nevertheless, Burke idealized the French aristocracy and monarchy that existed before the French Revolution. When he wrote Reflections on the Revolution in France Louis XVI was still the king of FRance. The Reign of Terror had not begun yet. France was doing what England had accomplished a century earlier: France was developing a representative democracy with a Constitutional monarch.

The execution of Louis XVII and the Reign of Terror happened under the pressure of an invasion of Russia and Austria. If the rest of the world had let the French work out their differences peacefully, I believe that France would still have a Constitutional monarch, and the Napoleonic wars would not have happened.

From Burke I lean that there is often wisdom in tradition, and that we should be pessimistic about human nature and human potential. For a modern treatise on human nature I recommend Sociobiology, the New Synthessis, by E.O.Wilson. For a modern treatise on human potential and its limitations I recommend The Bell Curve, by Professor Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray.

My study of Marx includes a fascinating seminar I took on Das Kapital, under the aegis of the American Communist Party. I think Marx had two valid insights. These explain the Great Depression, and the current rise in economic inequality. First, the natural tendency of un or lightly regulated capitalism is to accumulate wealth and income at the top. Second, partly as a result of this capitalist economies experience increasingly destructive economic downturns.

Everything else Marx asserted was mistaken. His most egregious mistake was to assert that loyalties of class are more powerful than loyalties of race, nation, and ethnicity. For most people, most of the time, the opposite is true. The writings of Marx do not explain the First World War, the rise of Italian Fascism and German Nazism, and the fact that America's white working class is a Republican constituency.

Ideology Is a Spitball Fight at a Prep School

The ruling elite's recommended writings are all designed to make us ignore the destructive outcomes of hereditary power. The revolutionaries did not represent the people; they were aggressive bickering factions of the ruling-class control freaks. "Born to Rule" is the illusion they live by. The French Revolution, which established the elitist institution of a republic, represented the hereditary 2% inciting the unentitled 98% to kill off the hereditary 1%.

Marx was inspired by his wife, a countess with enough rank to marry any king in Europe. Capitalism was degraded just like pro sports would be if the players gained the right to pass on their positions to their sons. Besides, its productivity comes from an outside factor, the advancement of practical science. That is related to undeserved inheritance because the inventors, not the investors, are the ones who should get rich off modern industry.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Being a racist douchnoodle? that's your offense.

The reality is, most crime is committed by white people in this country, and the criminal justice system treats white people far less harshly than black people. So any bullshit statistics you bring up can be ignored.

If black people were so "inferior", then white people wouldn't have needed the following to keep them in line.

Slavery
Jim Crow
Redlining
Miscengation Laws
Sundown Laws
Debt Peonage
Poll Taxes
Lynching
Literacy tests
Segregation



Holy shit, really? Did he actually believe this nonsense.


Here's all you need to know about Phillippe Rushton.

Former prof Philippe Rushton's research denounced as "racist" by department

Rushton conducted research at Western from 1977 until his death in 2012, and was best known for his controversial work attempting to link race and intelligence.

westerngazette.ca

Western's Department of Psychology denounced the work of former professor Philippe Rushton, known for his research attempting to link race and intelligence.

The statement, published after a department meeting on Monday, disavows Rushton’s work as “racist” and an abuse of academic freedom. The statement does not apologize for Western University’s role in supporting Rushton’s work.

“Rushton’s work is deeply flawed from a scientific standpoint,” reads the statement. “Rushton’s works on ‘race and intelligence’ are based on an incorrect assumption that fuels systemic racism.”

The statement came less than a day after Western released the findings of its Anti-Racism Working Group. The report found there to be “systemic problems embedded within the university” and included 24 recommendations to rebuild how racism is handled on campus. One of these recommendations was to “acknowledge and apologize for the harm caused by … Philippe Rushton.”

The department also says Rushton conducted research without the proper ethics approvals throughout his tenure, once on his own students, and acknowledges that his work has been used to support racist agendas.

Birth-Class Supremacy Replaced White Supremacy

Whites who are born rich deplore and fear all other White people. That's where you get your sense of the moral superiority of race treason, Preppylover. The cause of looking up to those spoiled self-righteous brats is a childish resentment sons have for fathers for not getting rich and spoiling them. Advertisements for expensive toys on children's TV shows were designed to promote this self-destructive class self-hatred.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The workers.

Owners Aren't Earners

Especially the creative workers, who are forced to let the plutocratic parasites freeload off them. "If You're So Smart, Why Haven't You Made the Rich Richer?"

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Wealth comes from effort/work/labor.
Capitalism that developed in the Renaissance helped Europe and its civilization develop. That led to industrialization and the group that Marx identified as "workers". Society evolved/changed/developed. New situations arose that no one was prepared to effectively deal with. Capitalism displayed its faults and ideologies did the same. Many points of division were born and various individuals and groups seized upon these for their own ends.
New approaches are needed to economics and society. Humans have learned too much for the current state of things to be tolerable. It is embarrassing to our race that we are not doing much, much better. Old follies will have to be abandoned and their animosities with them. "Left" and "right" are useless terms now that they have been so grossly overused and distorted. The mistakes of the past can be avoided if we do not depend on the past to define us.

The Influencers Give Us a Multiple Choice of All Wrong Solutions. "None of the Above" Is Banned.

You're not going to get any effective or even original ideas from the entitled intellectual authorities who go to guillotine-fodder Ivy League universities. Everything those spoiled brats do is self-serving. For example, Socialism was sponsored by them so they could have absolute rule with State Capitalism, not because it had anything to do with the economic justice they preached to people who were stupid enough to believe that college graduates are smart.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Actually, you could have government assign priorities in research and improvement. Then maybe we'd get a cure for cancer instead of a boner pill.

Prometheus Shrugged

High IQs with any pride could have cured cancer 50 years ago. But because of the insults and ingratitude of a society controlled by the plutocratic parasites, and the employers' demand that we spend years working without pay in college, we went on strike. Oncologists are slavish little nerds who have no personal pride, which is why they wound up impotent and childishly looked up to their hideaway professors as infallible father figures.

Government agrees with the economic bullies that students shouldn't be paid. Besides, all the funding goes to the grinds who already had their minds numbed by years of insulting student poverty. Talent has to be paid in advance, which both sectors of the ruling class refuse to do.

 

[Hector12]

That I still think you are a racist piece of excrement? I thought I made that pretty clear.



Uh, no, you just took the Nazi Playbook, lined out "Jew" and put "Negro" in it's place. It's still reprehensible.



Yeah, Jews are now "White enough" for you... we'll just ignore that you only like the White ones (Ashkenazim) and are less concerned about the ones who are a little darker.


Um, criticizing silly beliefs is not hostility... especially when I criticize all religions about equally

With their average IQ's of 115 the Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence. They deserve the best we have to offer. I love to watch them move up, move in, and take over. As intelligence becomes more important to our economy and technology, we will need more of them. Unfortunately, thee are not enough Ashkenazi Jews to go around. We in the United States already have far more than our fair share of Jews.

 

[Hector12]

Except Rushton performed experiments on his own students without their permission.

Psychology journal retracts two articles for being “unethical, scientifically flawed, and based on racist ideas and agenda”

A psychology journal has retracted a pair of decades-old articles by a now-deceased psychologist with noxious views about race and intelligence after the editors concluded that his work was “unethi…

retractionwatch.com

This retraction is following a review that found that the research was unethical, scientifically flawed, and based on racist ideas and agenda. Specifically, these publications authored by Philippe Rushton on the subject of intelligence and race has been rejected based on the following findings:– A better understanding of the human genome
– Rushton’s findings have not been able to be replicated (Peregrine, Ember, & Ember, 2003)

Anyone who claims that the assertions of Professor J. Philippe Rushton have been disproved has the obligation to explain precisely how they have been disproved. No one does that. Professor Rushton makes assertions that I can often document with factual material I find on the internet, and that are obvious to anyone with extensive experience with the three major racial groups.

 

[JoeB131]

Whites who are born rich deplore and fear all other White people. That's where you get your sense of the moral superiority of race treason, Preppylover. The cause of looking up to those spoiled self-righteous brats is a childish resentment sons have for fathers for not getting rich and spoiling them. Advertisements for expensive toys on children's TV shows were designed to promote this self-destructive class self-hatred.

Uh, does your doctor know you are off your medication?

I feel morally superior because I've overcome the prejudices our society is built on. That you and Hector can't is kind of sad.

High IQs with any pride could have cured cancer 50 years ago. But because of the insults and ingratitude of a society controlled by the plutocratic parasites, and the employers' demand that we spend years working without pay in college, we went on strike. Oncologists are slavish little nerds who have no personal pride, which is why they wound up impotent and childishly looked up to their hideaway professors as infallible father figures.

Um, wow, you kind of took what I said and made it sound crazier.. Good job.

Government agrees with the economic bullies that students shouldn't be paid. Besides, all the funding goes to the grinds who already had their minds numbed by years of insulting student poverty. Talent has to be paid in advance, which both sectors of the ruling class refuse to do.

Are you arguing for paying students to be students?

 

[JoeB131]

With their average IQ's of 115 the Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence. They deserve the best we have to offer. I love to watch them move up, move in, and take over. As intelligence becomes more important to our economy and technology, we will need more of them. Unfortunately, thee are not enough Ashkenazi Jews to go around. We in the United States already have far more than our fair share of Jews.

Until they wear out their welcome like they did in Spain, Russia, Germany and Palestine. It seems to be their super power.

Anyone who claims that the assertions of Professor J. Philippe Rushton have been disproved has the obligation to explain precisely how they have been disproved. No one does that. Professor Rushton makes assertions that I can often document with factual material I find on the internet, and that are obvious to anyone with extensive experience with the three major racial groups.

I've explained it multiple times. He used shoddy research, in some cases unethically gathered, and has been renounced by the university that employed him.

 

[Hector12]

I feel morally superior because I've overcome the prejudices our society is built on. That you and Hector can't is kind of sad.

For you the delusions of woke political correctness seem to be status symbols.

By mouthing the fashionable nonsense of fashionable people you think you have risen above your humble beginnings.

With your obscene words, and your lack of literacy and learning you expose the truth about yourself.

 

[Hector12]

Until they wear out their welcome like they did in Spain, Russia, Germany and Palestine. It seems to be their super power.

It is characteristic of you that you use the persecution of Jews in Czarist Russia and Nazi Germany, not to condemn the persecution, but the Jews.

The Jews are wonderful people. Their wealth and power will increase. There is nothing you can do to stop it. The Nazis and the Palestinians tried. Look at what happened to them.