Human sacrifice? “Giuliani at risk of criminal exposure”: Ukrainian adventure could end legal career

[Denizen]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Rudy will squeal like a banshee when he realizes he is being used as a tool of distraction and that he has no valor or glory to steal from this incident as he had for 9/11 when he stole glory and valor from First-Responders.

Giuliani is exposed as a sad wretch and a means of distraction from Trump's woes. Perhaps Rudy the Wretch will turn on Trump as Rudy's woes intensify.

“Giuliani Is at Risk of Criminal Exposure”: Why Rudy’s Ukrainian Adventure Could End His Legal Career

“GIULIANI IS AT RISK OF CRIMINAL EXPOSURE”: WHY RUDY’S UKRAINIAN ADVENTURE COULD END HIS LEGAL CAREER
“If you can’t charge President Trump with a crime…you could charge Giuliani,” says a former federal prosecutor. “Giuliani would be the president’s agent in this abuse of power”—in a way, a fitting denouement for America’s mayor.
BY CHRIS SMITH
SEPTEMBER 26, 2019
Thenpresidential candidate Donald Trump speaks to Rudy Giuliani at a fundraising event in the Bronx July 6 2015.
BY SETH WENIG/AP/REX/SHUTTERSTOCK.
Rudy Giuliani pursued the presidency twice and never came anywhere close to becoming a contender. His official campaign for the nomination in 2008 and his exploratory effort in 2012 burned through more than $65 million and won (at most) one Republican delegate. Yet Giuliani has somehow made himself into a central figure—and perhaps an indispensable one—enabling and shaping the presidency of Donald Trump. He has turned up as a key player during the three most important moments of Trump’s political career: In late October 2016, when he fanned the flames around Hillary Clinton’s email imbroglio; for much of 2018 and 2019, when he became Trump’s personal lawyer and helped talk the president out of being questioned by special counsel Robert Mueller; and now, as Trump’s freelance muscle and investigator in Ukraine, trying to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.
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For anyone who lived through Giuliani’s two terms as mayor of New York City, his pivotal, histrionic place in the Trump drama is both mind-blowing and totally consistent: “A small man in search of a balcony,” in the words of the immortal Jimmy Breslin. Giuliani’s current role has roots in his long-running animosity toward Hillary Clinton, who won the U.S. Senate seat Giuliani desired way back in 2000. Now the extended ripples of that fixation, which seem to include an eagerness to exonerate Paul Manafort, may end up sinking both Giuliani and his White House client.
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, has been tracking Giuliani’s involvement in Ukraine for months, long before a whistle-blower came forward with detailed allegations in August. “All of [what Giuliani has said about it] is damaging, incriminating, and worrisome,” Murphy told me on Monday. “It’s unprecedented to have the president running a parallel foreign policy operation through his campaign. This is totally unacceptable, to have the president’s political fixer openly bragging about coordinating with the State Department. You have to have some kind of wall between the White House and the reelection campaign, and the president is openly conflating the two. In Ukraine, it’s not surprising that they’re very confused about whether to treat Giuliani’s overtures as official U.S. policy or not.”
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Murphy traveled to Kiev in early September and—along with Republican Senator Ron Johnson—met with Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky. On Wednesday, at the United Nations, Trump accused Murphy of threatening Zelensky in that conversation. “I raised for [Zelensky] the danger of Ukraine appearing to be a political agent of the president’s reelection campaign,” Murphy told me before Trump’s attack. “This was an official diplomatic meeting. I did not have a specific conversation with [Zelensky] about the details of Giuliani’s communications with his administration…I find it extraordinary that both [Trump] and Rudy Giuliani are so brazenly open about their belief that it’s okay for the two of them to be pressing the Ukrainian president into the service of the president’s reelection campaign.”
Giuliani has been doing business in Ukraine since at least 2008, when he was a consultant to former heavyweight boxer Vitali Klitschko, who was running for mayor of Kiev. More recently his company, Giuliani Security & Safety, worked for Ukrainian–Russian developer Pavel Fuks, consulting on emergency services in Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city. Through that experience, Giuliani appears to have made connections that he used to press Ukrainian law enforcement officials to look into Joe and Hunter Biden.
Giuliani’s aggressive melding of private and public dealings in Ukraine, and his borderline-unhinged statements to Chris Cuomo on CNN, have prompted fellow lawyers to question the ethics and legality of his conduct. Former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah—who, like Giuliani, is an alumnus of the Southern District of New York—thumbs through the New York Rules of Professional Conduct for lawyers. “Rule 4.1,” Rocah says. “’In the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person.’” Barb McQuade, a former U.S. attorney in Michigan, cites a 1799 federal law. “There is a statute known as the Logan Act,” McQuade says. “It’s of unknown legal validity, because it hasn’t been used in 200 years. But the idea behind it is we don’t want private citizens out there negotiating with foreign governments on behalf of the United States. No one has elected you, you don’t have the authority to do it. So Giuliani is at risk of criminal exposure. The bigger issue is that even if you can’t charge President Trump with a crime, because he’s a sitting president, you could charge Giuliani with a crime if he has conspired with the president to extort the Ukrainians. Giuliani would be the president’s agent in this abuse of power.”
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Giuliani, who did not return a call for comment, has said, vehemently, that he has done nothing wrong—and to the contrary, telling the Atlantic’s Elaina Plott today, “When this is over, I will be the hero!” He’s been less clear about whether or not he was acting at the behest of the State Department, or of Trump, or both. Giuliani will need to sort out his story if he is subpoenaed by the House impeachment inquiry, a step that is apparently dividing congressional investigators, who are concerned—with good reason—that Giuliani would use the spotlight to grandstand. Perhaps. But forcing him to do it under oath would be enlightening anyway.

 

[lennypartiv]

Interesting how liberals are now attacking Rudy after they've become aware he is collecting evidence against Democrats.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You know, I could never really get behind the notion of human sacrifice before I joined USMB.

Nowadays, I have a list of candidates.

 

[kyzr]

Giuliani is a very smart lawyer. He's the president's lawyer.
The OP needs to say WHO would indict Rudy, and for WHAT crime?
Rudy help beat back the "collusion" hoax, and will now find out the truth about the Ukraine.
Buckle-up...

 

[Muhammed]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Or more likely, Trump is going to appoint Rudy to be the next US Attorney General.

Megatrigger.

 

[Denizen]

Giuliani is a very smart lawyer. He's the president's lawyer.
The OP needs to say WHO would indict Rudy, and for WHAT crime?
Rudy help beat back the "collusion" hoax, and will now find out the truth about the Ukraine.
Buckle-up...

Rudolph the red knows reign dear.

 

[Denizen]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Or more likely, Trump is going to appoint Rudy to be the next US Attorney General.

Megatrigger.

Bill Barr is going under the bus first?

 

[Oddball]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Rudy will squeal like a banshee when he realizes he is being used as a tool of distraction and that he has no valor or glory to steal from this incident as he had for 9/11 when he stole glory and valor from First-Responders.

Giuliani is exposed as a sad wretch and a means of distraction from Trump's woes. Perhaps Rudy the Wretch will turn on Trump as Rudy's woes intensify.

“Giuliani Is at Risk of Criminal Exposure”: Why Rudy’s Ukrainian Adventure Could End His Legal Career

“GIULIANI IS AT RISK OF CRIMINAL EXPOSURE”: WHY RUDY’S UKRAINIAN ADVENTURE COULD END HIS LEGAL CAREER
“If you can’t charge President Trump with a crime…you could charge Giuliani,” says a former federal prosecutor. “Giuliani would be the president’s agent in this abuse of power”—in a way, a fitting denouement for America’s mayor.
BY CHRIS SMITH
SEPTEMBER 26, 2019
Thenpresidential candidate Donald Trump speaks to Rudy Giuliani at a fundraising event in the Bronx July 6 2015.
BY SETH WENIG/AP/REX/SHUTTERSTOCK.
Rudy Giuliani pursued the presidency twice and never came anywhere close to becoming a contender. His official campaign for the nomination in 2008 and his exploratory effort in 2012 burned through more than $65 million and won (at most) one Republican delegate. Yet Giuliani has somehow made himself into a central figure—and perhaps an indispensable one—enabling and shaping the presidency of Donald Trump. He has turned up as a key player during the three most important moments of Trump’s political career: In late October 2016, when he fanned the flames around Hillary Clinton’s email imbroglio; for much of 2018 and 2019, when he became Trump’s personal lawyer and helped talk the president out of being questioned by special counsel Robert Mueller; and now, as Trump’s freelance muscle and investigator in Ukraine, trying to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.
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For anyone who lived through Giuliani’s two terms as mayor of New York City, his pivotal, histrionic place in the Trump drama is both mind-blowing and totally consistent: “A small man in search of a balcony,” in the words of the immortal Jimmy Breslin. Giuliani’s current role has roots in his long-running animosity toward Hillary Clinton, who won the U.S. Senate seat Giuliani desired way back in 2000. Now the extended ripples of that fixation, which seem to include an eagerness to exonerate Paul Manafort, may end up sinking both Giuliani and his White House client.
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, has been tracking Giuliani’s involvement in Ukraine for months, long before a whistle-blower came forward with detailed allegations in August. “All of [what Giuliani has said about it] is damaging, incriminating, and worrisome,” Murphy told me on Monday. “It’s unprecedented to have the president running a parallel foreign policy operation through his campaign. This is totally unacceptable, to have the president’s political fixer openly bragging about coordinating with the State Department. You have to have some kind of wall between the White House and the reelection campaign, and the president is openly conflating the two. In Ukraine, it’s not surprising that they’re very confused about whether to treat Giuliani’s overtures as official U.S. policy or not.”
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Murphy traveled to Kiev in early September and—along with Republican Senator Ron Johnson—met with Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky. On Wednesday, at the United Nations, Trump accused Murphy of threatening Zelensky in that conversation. “I raised for [Zelensky] the danger of Ukraine appearing to be a political agent of the president’s reelection campaign,” Murphy told me before Trump’s attack. “This was an official diplomatic meeting. I did not have a specific conversation with [Zelensky] about the details of Giuliani’s communications with his administration…I find it extraordinary that both [Trump] and Rudy Giuliani are so brazenly open about their belief that it’s okay for the two of them to be pressing the Ukrainian president into the service of the president’s reelection campaign.”
Giuliani has been doing business in Ukraine since at least 2008, when he was a consultant to former heavyweight boxer Vitali Klitschko, who was running for mayor of Kiev. More recently his company, Giuliani Security & Safety, worked for Ukrainian–Russian developer Pavel Fuks, consulting on emergency services in Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city. Through that experience, Giuliani appears to have made connections that he used to press Ukrainian law enforcement officials to look into Joe and Hunter Biden.
Giuliani’s aggressive melding of private and public dealings in Ukraine, and his borderline-unhinged statements to Chris Cuomo on CNN, have prompted fellow lawyers to question the ethics and legality of his conduct. Former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah—who, like Giuliani, is an alumnus of the Southern District of New York—thumbs through the New York Rules of Professional Conduct for lawyers. “Rule 4.1,” Rocah says. “’In the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person.’” Barb McQuade, a former U.S. attorney in Michigan, cites a 1799 federal law. “There is a statute known as the Logan Act,” McQuade says. “It’s of unknown legal validity, because it hasn’t been used in 200 years. But the idea behind it is we don’t want private citizens out there negotiating with foreign governments on behalf of the United States. No one has elected you, you don’t have the authority to do it. So Giuliani is at risk of criminal exposure. The bigger issue is that even if you can’t charge President Trump with a crime, because he’s a sitting president, you could charge Giuliani with a crime if he has conspired with the president to extort the Ukrainians. Giuliani would be the president’s agent in this abuse of power.”
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Giuliani, who did not return a call for comment, has said, vehemently, that he has done nothing wrong—and to the contrary, telling the Atlantic’s Elaina Plott today, “When this is over, I will be the hero!” He’s been less clear about whether or not he was acting at the behest of the State Department, or of Trump, or both. Giuliani will need to sort out his story if he is subpoenaed by the House impeachment inquiry, a step that is apparently dividing congressional investigators, who are concerned—with good reason—that Giuliani would use the spotlight to grandstand. Perhaps. But forcing him to do it under oath would be enlightening anyway.

Vanity Fair....Oh fuck my life.

 

[Denizen]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Or more likely, Trump is going to appoint Rudy to be the next US Attorney General.

Megatrigger.

Bill Barr is going under the bus first?

 

[kyzr]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Or more likely, Trump is going to appoint Rudy to be the next US Attorney General.

Megatrigger.

Bill Barr is going under the bus first?

Barr is not going under the bus. Barr is a real AG, not like Holder.
Trump and the Republicans will protect Barr from any and all democrat dirty tricks.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Or more likely, Trump is going to appoint Rudy to be the next US Attorney General.

I hope he does. It will just add to the pile. And no, the senate would never confirm that mentally ill freak.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Impeachment will hurt the Psychocrats more than President Trump.
In fact, impeachment will just expose how totally corrupt, dishonest and evil the Democratic Party truly is.

 

[g5000]

Giuliani has done a lot of lobbying work for Ukrainian interests, and yet he has never registered as a foreign agent as required by the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

He's going to get burned if he isn't careful.

 

[g5000]

According to a joint investigation by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) and BuzzFeed News, it was Parnas and Fruman who first encouraged Giuliani’s effort to dig up dirt on Biden. Both Parnas and Fruman, who live in South Florida, became big GOP donors in 2018, giving at least $576,500 in combined donations over several months. They used the resulting access to powerful Republican figures to promote a plan to sell American liquified gas to Ukraine. In May 2018, the duo dined with the president at the Trump International Hotel and had breakfast in Beverly Hills with Donald Trump Jr. and Tommy Hicks Jr., who later became co-chair of the Republican National Committee, according Facebook posts by Parnas, which he later deleted. It is unclear if Giuliani was helped connect them with Trump.

Rudy Giuliani has a long, shady history with Ukraine

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Giuliani has done a lot of lobbying work for Ukrainian interests, and yet he has never registered as a foreign agent as required by the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

He's going to get burned if he isn't careful.

Pfft...let me know when it turns out that someone in trump's inner circle ISN'T a foreign agent. That might be news.

 

[westwall]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Rudy will squeal like a banshee when he realizes he is being used as a tool of distraction and that he has no valor or glory to steal from this incident as he had for 9/11 when he stole glory and valor from First-Responders.

Giuliani is exposed as a sad wretch and a means of distraction from Trump's woes. Perhaps Rudy the Wretch will turn on Trump as Rudy's woes intensify.

“Giuliani Is at Risk of Criminal Exposure”: Why Rudy’s Ukrainian Adventure Could End His Legal Career

“GIULIANI IS AT RISK OF CRIMINAL EXPOSURE”: WHY RUDY’S UKRAINIAN ADVENTURE COULD END HIS LEGAL CAREER
“If you can’t charge President Trump with a crime…you could charge Giuliani,” says a former federal prosecutor. “Giuliani would be the president’s agent in this abuse of power”—in a way, a fitting denouement for America’s mayor.
BY CHRIS SMITH
SEPTEMBER 26, 2019
Thenpresidential candidate Donald Trump speaks to Rudy Giuliani at a fundraising event in the Bronx July 6 2015.
BY SETH WENIG/AP/REX/SHUTTERSTOCK.
Rudy Giuliani pursued the presidency twice and never came anywhere close to becoming a contender. His official campaign for the nomination in 2008 and his exploratory effort in 2012 burned through more than $65 million and won (at most) one Republican delegate. Yet Giuliani has somehow made himself into a central figure—and perhaps an indispensable one—enabling and shaping the presidency of Donald Trump. He has turned up as a key player during the three most important moments of Trump’s political career: In late October 2016, when he fanned the flames around Hillary Clinton’s email imbroglio; for much of 2018 and 2019, when he became Trump’s personal lawyer and helped talk the president out of being questioned by special counsel Robert Mueller; and now, as Trump’s freelance muscle and investigator in Ukraine, trying to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.
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For anyone who lived through Giuliani’s two terms as mayor of New York City, his pivotal, histrionic place in the Trump drama is both mind-blowing and totally consistent: “A small man in search of a balcony,” in the words of the immortal Jimmy Breslin. Giuliani’s current role has roots in his long-running animosity toward Hillary Clinton, who won the U.S. Senate seat Giuliani desired way back in 2000. Now the extended ripples of that fixation, which seem to include an eagerness to exonerate Paul Manafort, may end up sinking both Giuliani and his White House client.
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, has been tracking Giuliani’s involvement in Ukraine for months, long before a whistle-blower came forward with detailed allegations in August. “All of [what Giuliani has said about it] is damaging, incriminating, and worrisome,” Murphy told me on Monday. “It’s unprecedented to have the president running a parallel foreign policy operation through his campaign. This is totally unacceptable, to have the president’s political fixer openly bragging about coordinating with the State Department. You have to have some kind of wall between the White House and the reelection campaign, and the president is openly conflating the two. In Ukraine, it’s not surprising that they’re very confused about whether to treat Giuliani’s overtures as official U.S. policy or not.”
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Murphy traveled to Kiev in early September and—along with Republican Senator Ron Johnson—met with Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky. On Wednesday, at the United Nations, Trump accused Murphy of threatening Zelensky in that conversation. “I raised for [Zelensky] the danger of Ukraine appearing to be a political agent of the president’s reelection campaign,” Murphy told me before Trump’s attack. “This was an official diplomatic meeting. I did not have a specific conversation with [Zelensky] about the details of Giuliani’s communications with his administration…I find it extraordinary that both [Trump] and Rudy Giuliani are so brazenly open about their belief that it’s okay for the two of them to be pressing the Ukrainian president into the service of the president’s reelection campaign.”
Giuliani has been doing business in Ukraine since at least 2008, when he was a consultant to former heavyweight boxer Vitali Klitschko, who was running for mayor of Kiev. More recently his company, Giuliani Security & Safety, worked for Ukrainian–Russian developer Pavel Fuks, consulting on emergency services in Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city. Through that experience, Giuliani appears to have made connections that he used to press Ukrainian law enforcement officials to look into Joe and Hunter Biden.
Giuliani’s aggressive melding of private and public dealings in Ukraine, and his borderline-unhinged statements to Chris Cuomo on CNN, have prompted fellow lawyers to question the ethics and legality of his conduct. Former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah—who, like Giuliani, is an alumnus of the Southern District of New York—thumbs through the New York Rules of Professional Conduct for lawyers. “Rule 4.1,” Rocah says. “’In the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person.’” Barb McQuade, a former U.S. attorney in Michigan, cites a 1799 federal law. “There is a statute known as the Logan Act,” McQuade says. “It’s of unknown legal validity, because it hasn’t been used in 200 years. But the idea behind it is we don’t want private citizens out there negotiating with foreign governments on behalf of the United States. No one has elected you, you don’t have the authority to do it. So Giuliani is at risk of criminal exposure. The bigger issue is that even if you can’t charge President Trump with a crime, because he’s a sitting president, you could charge Giuliani with a crime if he has conspired with the president to extort the Ukrainians. Giuliani would be the president’s agent in this abuse of power.”
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Giuliani, who did not return a call for comment, has said, vehemently, that he has done nothing wrong—and to the contrary, telling the Atlantic’s Elaina Plott today, “When this is over, I will be the hero!” He’s been less clear about whether or not he was acting at the behest of the State Department, or of Trump, or both. Giuliani will need to sort out his story if he is subpoenaed by the House impeachment inquiry, a step that is apparently dividing congressional investigators, who are concerned—with good reason—that Giuliani would use the spotlight to grandstand. Perhaps. But forcing him to do it under oath would be enlightening anyway.

Wow, I have seen delusional nonsense before...but this is a new low!

Thanks for the laugh!

 

[my2¢]

I see ending Giuliani's legal career much the same as we in this county ended Sheriff Joe's law enforcement career in that I believe it is for the better of all. Watching both in last few years has been like watching a ballplayer that's past his prime. Sort of sad.

 

[Denizen]

Giuliani was enjoying his new role as a detective, instigator, and fomenter of lawlessness.

Now Rudy will be thrown under the bus as a human sacrifice to distract from Donald Trump's woes and exposure.

Or more likely, Trump is going to appoint Rudy to be the next US Attorney General.

Megatrigger.

Bill Barr is going under the bus first?

Barr is not going under the bus. Barr is a real AG, not like Holder.
Trump and the Republicans will protect Barr from any and all democrat dirty tricks.

William Barr's partisan conduct in support of Donald Trump will cause an insurgency inside the DOJ.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

William Barr's partisan conduct in support of Donald Trump will cause an insurgency inside the DOJ.

Probably. While the mentally ill president may have top loaded his agencies with embarrassimg partisans, career officials are not impressed.

 

[Denizen]

William Barr's partisan conduct in support of Donald Trump will cause an insurgency inside the DOJ.

Probably. While the mentally ill president may have top loaded his agencies with embarrassimg partisans, career officials are not impressed.

Everything Trump has done is unraveling and turning brown and smelly, and that is only the things we currently know about.

More smelly stuff could emerge and cause a bigger stink.

The impeachometer could go off the scale, and mobs armed with pitchforks, tar and feathers could surround the White House.

Bill Barr and Pompeo have associated themselves with Trump's crimes.