ICE Refuses to Release US Citizen.

[TimFitz]

Really?

Go be stupid someplace else.

Yes, really. ICE is just rounding up people with no semblance of investigation, and no sort of due process.

If this is your idea of “sorting it out”, then you really want to live in a facist state.

 

[struth]

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A US Citizen born in Georgia is being held in Leon County Jail after being arrested and detained by ICE, despite his mother presenting a valid birth certificate and social security card to a judge.

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, 20, a resident of Grady County, Georgia, was arrested Wednesday after a traffic stop while on his way to work in Tallahassee, the Florida Pheonix reported. He was charged with illegally entering Florida as an "unauthorized alien" under a controversial state law that has previously been temporarily blocked by a federal judge.

Leon County Judge LaShawn Riggans examined his birth certificate and Social Security card, declaring the documents authentic and stating there was no probable cause for the misdemeanor charge.

"In looking at it, and feeling it, and holding it up to the light, the court can clearly see the watermark to show that this is indeed an authentic document," Riggans said.

However, because Lopez-Gomez is under ICE hold, he cannot be released even if the court found no probable cause for his arrest, an attorney for the state said.

"I wanted to tell them, 'Where are you going to take him? He is from here,'" his mother, Sebastiana Gomez-Perez, told reporters in Spanish. "I felt immense helplessness because I couldn't do anything, and I am desperate to get my son out of there," she continued while crying. "It hurts so much. I'm sorry, I can't."

The law, SB 4-C, makes it a misdemeanor for undocumented immigrants to enter Florida "after entering the United States by eluding or avoiding examination or inspection by immigration officers."

A US District Court Judge blocked its enforcement on April 4, calling Lopez-Gomez's detainment into question beyond the fact that he is a US citizen, not an undocumented immigrant.

Lopez-Gomez, who primarily speaks the Indigenous Mayan language Tzotzil, was visibly confused during his hearing. His mother said he had lived in Mexico from age 1 until four years ago, when he returned to Georgia.

"This is very likely a case of racial profiling against a US citizen who can't speak English," said Thomas Kennedy of the Florida Immigrant Coalition.

Lopez-Gomez must now wait up to 48 hours in custody for federal immigration agents to act. His next steps remain uncertain as his family and supporters call for his immediate release.
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Clearly ICE is out of control and in violation of the law.
They should be arrested by the local police for their obvious disregard for the law and rights of citizens.

Here is an image of the mother.

Federal law allows ICE to put a dentention hold on someone, the State Court has no authority over the Federal agents. With that said, if true, ICE will release their hold, if they haven't already

 

[Zincwarrior]

According to the OP the mother doesn’t even speak English. That seems a bit weird.

Not necessarily in Florida, NY, or Texas.

 

[Rigby5]

The Chinese have been doing this by the millions.

The man was born here, removed as an infant and returned with a bunch of illegals. A Taliban terrorist was born in Louisiana.

The Taliban were created and recruited by the CIA in 1979, to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
They are US allies, and we betrayed them.

 

[Rigby5]

I’m white and I’m a Native American.

Native Americans are actually Chinese or Mongolians who walked here from Siberia.

 

[Rigby5]

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No descendant of Europeans have any claim to US citizenship except by being born here.

 

[Rigby5]

"his mother, Sebastiana Gomez-Perez, told reporters in Spanish."

One would think she'd tell them in English. So, he doesn't speak English either. WTF?

No she does speak English. But its a stressful situation.

 

[Rigby5]

Where was Trump mentioned in the link?

ICE did not act this way until Trump won the recent election, so clearly it is Trump who is responsible. And Trump said as much.

 

[Rigby5]

I don't know anyone here who understands Mayan.


But I can blame him for not ever learning enough English to speak to anyone here.

No, that is his prerogative.
He already learned Spanish and Mayan, so there is no reason to learn another language.
All he has to do was pick a city to live in that was primarily his culture.

 

[Rigby5]

"To the victor go the spoils."

Sorry. Whether or not it was ethical or moral is unimportant now. We cannot change what was done in the past. This is our land now. Kindly deal with it.

I do not want to rewrite the past, but the future should recognize that the natives south of the border have a right to all of the Americas.

And its not "our" land because we never paid for it.
It is like the Zionists invading Palestine in 1946 and never paying for any land.

 

[Rigby5]

Did his parents come here on a legal visa? Not that I am aware of.....? Did his parents leave the USA and go back to China to live? Why yes, yes they did.

{...
Wong Kim Ark v. United States is a United States Supreme Court case. The Court ruled that a child born in the United States to parents of Chinese descent automatically becomes a U.S. citizen by birth based on the Citizenship Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The case confirmed that under the Citizenship Clause of Fourteenth Amendment, the United States government cannot deny full U.S. citizenship to any person born within the United States.
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That was an 1898 case, so birthright citizenship is a settle issue.
You did not need a legal visa in 1898.
Whether the parents leave or not is irrelevant.

 

[toobfreak]

He already learned Spanish and Mayan, so there is no reason to learn another language.

Not unless he wants to communicate with 99.999% of the people here in this country.

All he has to do was pick a city to live in that was primarily his culture.

I know a city in Argentina I can wholeheartedly offer.

 

[Rigby5]

So if you have a residence here in the US, or reside in the US, even if your citizenship is elsewhere to a foreign country, your child born on our soil, is an American citizen, (unless born to a foreign diplomat)

Is what that says.....no?

YES!
If born to noncitizens, then they have the option of the child born here to be a US citizen or a citizen of their country.
Its totally up to them.

Again, to deny birthright citizenship would make all descendants of Europeans to no longer be citizens.

 

[Rigby5]

Really?

Go be stupid someplace else.

The point is that ICE as been arresting people BEFORE sorting it out, and that is illegal.
You can't arrest unless you have probably cause.
And they clearly did not in this case.
So then ICE is guilty of felony kidnapping.

 

[toobfreak]

The point is that ICE as been arresting people BEFORE sorting it out, and that is illegal.
You can't arrest unless you have probably cause.
And they clearly did not in this case.
So then ICE is guilty of felony kidnapping.

 

[Rigby5]

Federal law allows ICE to put a dentention hold on someone, the State Court has no authority over the Federal agents. With that said, if true, ICE will release their hold, if they haven't already

WRONG.
The only legal way anyone can be put on "detention" is if a judge agrees there is probably cause.
There was not any probably cause or hearing in this case.
Therefore the ICE agents were guilty of the felony of kidnapping.

And YES, state courts most certainly do have authority over Federal Agents who are breaking the law. Can local authorities charge and imprison Federal Agents for rape or kidnapping?
Of course they can.
Releasing their hold does not alter the previous crime of illegally kidnapping a US citizen.

 

[Rigby5]

Not necessarily in Florida, NY, or Texas.

Wrong.
The mother does speak English, but just preferred not to because she was so upset and did not want to make any grammatical mistake.

 

[Rigby5]

Not unless he wants to communicate with 99.999% of the people here in this country.


I know a city in Argentina I can wholeheartedly offer.

Wrong.
Argentina have very different dialects.
But there are many cities in the US that would be fluent in Mayan dialects.
Trade between native Americans was flourishing before Columbus.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Native Americans are actually Chinese or Mongolians who walked here from Siberia.

No, those are quasi-indigenous. There was no America then.
I was born here in America and have lived my entire life in America, making me a true Native American.

 

[Leo123]

No, that is his prerogative.
He already learned Spanish and Mayan, so there is no reason to learn another language.
All he has to do was pick a city to live in that was primarily his culture.

'His culture?" There is no such thing. You don't understand what you are even talking about. There is only ONE 'culture' in the U.S. and it is the AMERICAN culture that contains divergent ethnic groups that wish to ASSIMILATE which means learn American English, study American history and seek to become a citizen.