Idaho Republicans pass resolution urging Supreme Court to end marriage equality

[TheProgressivePatriot]

PA laws do not override free exercise.

Right .....and free exercise means that an individual can practice their faith openly and without fear...It does not mean that they can discriminate

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The rest of your post, tl;dr.

I guess you;re a lazy ass besides everything else. Or, you're afraid that you might learn something that can undermine the basis of your bigotry

 

[martybegan]

Going after clergy? Where are you getting that shit from? Enforcing laws against discrimination in public accommodation . ? Damned right and I explained why.

And I explained free exercise doesn't go away only because you want to sell something.

 

[martybegan]

Right .....and free exercise means that an individual can practice their faith openly and without fear...It does not mean that they can discriminate

Yes, it does in cases where the government doesn't have a compelling overriding interest.

 

[martybegan]

I guess you;re a lazy ass besides everything else. Or, you're afraid that you might learn something that can undermine the basis of your bigotry

No, because it's the same soft lying done by every progressive on this board.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yes, it does in cases where the government doesn't have a compelling overriding interest.

And who are you to say that there is no compelling government interest in prohibiting discrimination. The fact is that no law against such discrimination has ever been successfully challenged in court so apparently there is such an interest.......or at minimum a rational basis .

Here is something else for you to turn your nose up at and call a lie

Two meanings of religious freedom/liberty:1. Freedom of belief, speech, practice. 2. Freedom to restrict services, hate, denigrate, or oppress others.


1. The historical meaning of religious freedom:

This term relates to the personal freedom:
•Of religious belief,
•Of religious speech,
•Of religious assembly with fellow believers,
•Of religious proselytizing and recruitment, and
•To change one's religion from one faith group to another -- or to decide to have no religious affiliation -- or vice-versa.


The individual believer has often been the target of oppression for thinking or speaking unorthodox thoughts, for assembling with and recruiting others, and for changing their religious affiliation. Typically, the aggressors have been large religious groups and governments. Freedom from such oppression is the meaning that we generally use on this web site to refer to any of the four terms: religious freedom, religious liberty, freedom of worship and freedom to worship.

2. A rapidly emerging new meaning of religious freedom: the freedom to discriminate and denigrate:

In recent years, religious freedom is taking on a new meaning: the freedom and liberty of a believer apply their religious beliefs in order to hate, oppress, deny service to, denigrate, discriminate against, and/or reduce the human rights of minorities.

Now, the direction of the oppression has reversed. It is now the believer who is the oppressor -- typically fundamentalist and evangelical Christians and other religious conservatives. Others -- typically some women, as well as sexual, and other minorities -- are the targets. This new meaning is becoming increasingly common. It appears that this change is begin driven by a number of factors:

•The increasing public acceptance of women's use of birth control/contraceptives. This is a practice regarded as a personal decision by most faith groups, but is actively opposed by the Roman Catholic and a few other conservative faith groups.
•The increasing public acceptance of equal rights for sexual minorities including Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transgender persons and transsexuals -- the LGBT community (); and
•The increasing percentage of NOTAs in North America. These are individuals who are NOT Affiliated with an organized faith group. Some identify themselves as Agnostics, Atheists secularists, Humanists, free thinkers, etc. Others say that they are spiritual, but not religious.

The media often refer to NOTAs as "NONES" because they are affiliated to NONE of the faith groups. However, the words Nones and Nuns are homophones: words that sound alike but are spelled differently and which hold very different meanings. To avoid confusion, we recommend against this practice and recommend the unambiguous term "NOTA."

One interesting feature of this "religious freedom to discriminate" is that it generally has people treating others as they would not wish to be treated themselves. It seems to be little noticed among those who practice or advocate "religious freedom to discriminate" that this way of treating people is a direct contradiction to the Golden Rule, which Jesus required all his followers to practice. See Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31, and the Gospel of Thomas, 6.

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/relfree.htm

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

And I explained free exercise doesn't go away only because you want to sell something.

See post 306. Still waiting for you to explain where I advocated going after clergy.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No, because it's the same soft lying done by every progressive on this board.

You keep accusing me of lying but you have never once documented a single lie that I posted

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No, because it's the same soft lying done by every progressive on this board.

You seem to have left the building Marty. Don't want to play anymore? What do you think of this?

LGBTQ+ partners and families

We are a national organization committed to achieving full recognition of the civil rights of lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender people and everyone living with HIV.

lambdalegal.org

Lambda Legal stands up for the rights of LGBTQ+ relationships and families. We’ve stood at the forefront of the fight for the freedom to marry. We’ve defended LGBTQ+ would-be parents who were denied the ability to open their hearts and homes to children—whether they wanted to adopt, foster, or seek fertility treatments. And we

 

[lennypartiv]

Good? Maybe you would like to try to explain haw same sex marriage has had a negative impact on society, or the institution of marriage.

Lots of rulings need to be revisited, including Griswold v Connecticut and Loving v Virginia.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Lots of rulings need to be revisited, including Griswold v Connecticut and Loving v Virginia.

Is that supposed to answer the question?

 

[martybegan]

And who are you to say that there is no compelling government interest in prohibiting discrimination. The fact is that no law against such discrimination has ever been successfully challenged in court so apparently there is such an interest.......or at minimum a rational basis .

Here is something else for you to turn your nose up at and call a lie

Two meanings of religious freedom/liberty:1. Freedom of belief, speech, practice. 2. Freedom to restrict services, hate, denigrate, or oppress others.


1. The historical meaning of religious freedom:

This term relates to the personal freedom:
•Of religious belief,
•Of religious speech,
•Of religious assembly with fellow believers,
•Of religious proselytizing and recruitment, and
•To change one's religion from one faith group to another -- or to decide to have no religious affiliation -- or vice-versa.


The individual believer has often been the target of oppression for thinking or speaking unorthodox thoughts, for assembling with and recruiting others, and for changing their religious affiliation. Typically, the aggressors have been large religious groups and governments. Freedom from such oppression is the meaning that we generally use on this web site to refer to any of the four terms: religious freedom, religious liberty, freedom of worship and freedom to worship.

2. A rapidly emerging new meaning of religious freedom: the freedom to discriminate and denigrate:

In recent years, religious freedom is taking on a new meaning: the freedom and liberty of a believer apply their religious beliefs in order to hate, oppress, deny service to, denigrate, discriminate against, and/or reduce the human rights of minorities.

Now, the direction of the oppression has reversed. It is now the believer who is the oppressor -- typically fundamentalist and evangelical Christians and other religious conservatives. Others -- typically some women, as well as sexual, and other minorities -- are the targets. This new meaning is becoming increasingly common. It appears that this change is begin driven by a number of factors:

•The increasing public acceptance of women's use of birth control/contraceptives. This is a practice regarded as a personal decision by most faith groups, but is actively opposed by the Roman Catholic and a few other conservative faith groups.
•The increasing public acceptance of equal rights for sexual minorities including Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transgender persons and transsexuals -- the LGBT community (); and
•The increasing percentage of NOTAs in North America. These are individuals who are NOT Affiliated with an organized faith group. Some identify themselves as Agnostics, Atheists secularists, Humanists, free thinkers, etc. Others say that they are spiritual, but not religious.

The media often refer to NOTAs as "NONES" because they are affiliated to NONE of the faith groups. However, the words Nones and Nuns are homophones: words that sound alike but are spelled differently and which hold very different meanings. To avoid confusion, we recommend against this practice and recommend the unambiguous term "NOTA."

One interesting feature of this "religious freedom to discriminate" is that it generally has people treating others as they would not wish to be treated themselves. It seems to be little noticed among those who practice or advocate "religious freedom to discriminate" that this way of treating people is a direct contradiction to the Golden Rule, which Jesus required all his followers to practice. See Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31, and the Gospel of Thomas, 6.

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/relfree.htm

The cake guys won, So did the photographer.

You claimed no gay people would want someone to work for them that "hated" them, then you turn around and support laws that would do just that.

 

[martybegan]

See post 306. Still waiting for you to explain where I advocated going after clergy.

You want to, but even a dullard like you realizes you would look like an ass.

And where does the Constitution limit free exercise to just the clergy?

 

[martybegan]

You keep accusing me of lying but you have never once documented a single lie that I posted

Soft lying.

You claim to support religious freedom, but really don't.

 

[martybegan]

You seem to have left the building Marty. Don't want to play anymore? What do you think of this?

LGBTQ+ partners and families

We are a national organization committed to achieving full recognition of the civil rights of lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender people and everyone living with HIV.

lambdalegal.org

Where have I said I support denying gay people the right to adopt?

What I said was they need to take steps to make sure a role model of the other sex is part of the child's life.

 

[Zincwarrior]

So... has anything happened since the first article? Any update?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You want to, but even a dullard like you realizes you would look like an ass.

And where does the Constitution limit free exercise to just the clergy?

Oh!! So you now admit to lying about my wanting to "go after Clergy" !! And that is not soft lying .! You stupidly made an assumpotion about me that you can't back up

And when did I say that free exercise is limited to clergy? Another not so soft lie. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[martybegan]

Oh!! So you now admit to lying about my wanting to "go after Clergy" !! And that is not soft lying .! You stupidly made an assumpotion about me that you can't back up

And when did I say that free exercise is limited to clergy? Another not so soft lie. What the fuck is wrong with you?

I know my enemy.

Again, why should people be forced to go against their religious beliefs for something that is easily replicable by someone else doing it?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Where have I said I support denying gay people the right to adopt?

What I said was they need to take steps to make sure a role model of the other sex is part of the child's life.

I don't recall your saying outright that gays should not adopt or, for that matter that they should not marry. But you never said that they should marry or adopt either, At the same time, you do spend a hell of a lot of time blathering about how they are not the same as other couples and can't produce children one on one while avoiding the question of how they are different form hetero couple who can't have children without outside help. Now THAT is soft lying

And of course a child with same sex parents will have role models of the other gender, unless they ate hermits that is

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I know my enemy.

Again, why should people be forced to go against their religious beliefs for something that is easily replicable by someone else doing it?

I have no fucking idea what that is supposed to mean, Who is being forced to do what?