Is the GOP going to change, at all, as demographics change?

[candycorn]

It is an interesting question Mac asks. When I think of the Republican Party, the first thing that I think of is intolerance. A/An “we’re right, we know we’re right, you’re wrong and you’re too stupid to know how wrong you are” group that is resistant to science and nuanced topics.

Judging from this website, they don’t need to change anything. There seems to be an unending supply of yokels who fit the category.

And yet in your very post you spew intolerance. Interesting.

Perhaps. But if you read the posts from the Right Wing around here…tell me where I’m mistaken.

 

[candycorn]

Reading one of guno's endless celebratory "White Christians Are Dying Off" threads and his standard daily dose of hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry aside, I do have to think: The GOP is indeed going to continue to shrink unless it makes some decisions on a macro scale

First of all, let us note how quickly you let the Left off for it's hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry. Now, I am certainly you are thinking that Guno is a worst case scenario.

But you are wrong. Guno is only speaking aloud, what his Party's is actually DOING on purpose, ie, inflicting demographic transformation because they can't win the Contest of Ideas.

• Is it going to continue to allow its loudest voices to ignore Reagan's 80% law and attack & alienate "RINOs" with the same energy it does with Democrats, alienating its own voters?

Are you kidding? Have you compared the energy McCain showed going after his primary challenger compared to how he went after Obama?

The Establishment is the one that has been playing Harder Ball with it's internal opposition than the dems.

• Is it going to continue to hold fast on social issues as politics, alienating the middle?

Social issues do not alienate the Middle. The exaggerations of the Media alienate the Middle. Question: Do you believe that Bush banned stem cell research?

• Is it going to continue to refuse to admit that it has no choice now but to somehow approach the various "identity groups" individually and with sincerity and passion?

We cannot even attempt to out pander the dems for the votes of minorities without supporting discrimination against Whites. We would fail to attract the majority of minority voters and alienate our base. Not to mention that anti-white discrimination is wrong, of course.

• Is it going to finally understand that it's allowing the wrong people to sell conservatism?

This isn't about the people doing the "selling". The GOP always wins the White vote. Why? Because minus Identity Politics Capitalism and Democracy sells better than socialism.

This is about the democratic plan to achieve political dominance by importing Third World political culture.

Which has been successful.

Or is it going to just keep doing what it's doing, as demographics keep changing against it?

If Trump loses, that is what will happen. YOu will have the Country Club republicans trying to find the right "messenger" and fighting a losing battle to curry favor with minorities, as they have been. Increasing marginalization of whites will lead to increasing anger among republican voters, with no possibility of their interests or concerns every being addressed.

Their anger will be portrayed by the media as "Racism". And that will be believed by the majority of the nation comprised of Liberals and Minorities and they will react accordingly.

Repeat until something breaks.

Conservative talk show hosts were right about one thing in 2008: It was the most important election of our lifetimes. America is changing fundamentally. Every day.

Precisely what is the party going to do about it? Specifically?

Well, Trump is a major attempt to deal with the downside of "Free Trade" and Third World Immigration, AND to challenge the lock on the Conventional Wisdom that Political Correctness has.

It is very late in the game, but there is no reason to not try.


If this doesn't work and we end up with 8 more years of status quo, I think at that point, democracy stop working in America.

Or, am I wrong, and the GOP is doing just fine as it is, and there is nothing to change?

Oh, no, you're not wrong. The current situation is a fucking disaster for American and Americans.

Or, is Trump an admission that the party can no longer sell conservatism?
.

Conservatism is NOT wedded to being the world's bitch on Trade and Immigration. If Trump wins, and the Party can integrate that truth into our ideology, there might be some hope.

Would you say, then, that the Trump supporters within the party are what is best for the party's future as demographics continue to shift?
.

Drumpf’s message of higher walls and more barriers shrinks the economy. Trump is exactly the right candidate for them to have from the POV of the Democrats.

 

[Correll]

Reading one of guno's endless celebratory "White Christians Are Dying Off" threads and his standard daily dose of hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry aside, I do have to think: The GOP is indeed going to continue to shrink unless it makes some decisions on a macro scale

First of all, let us note how quickly you let the Left off for it's hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry. Now, I am certainly you are thinking that Guno is a worst case scenario.

But you are wrong. Guno is only speaking aloud, what his Party's is actually DOING on purpose, ie, inflicting demographic transformation because they can't win the Contest of Ideas.

• Is it going to continue to allow its loudest voices to ignore Reagan's 80% law and attack & alienate "RINOs" with the same energy it does with Democrats, alienating its own voters?

Are you kidding? Have you compared the energy McCain showed going after his primary challenger compared to how he went after Obama?

The Establishment is the one that has been playing Harder Ball with it's internal opposition than the dems.

• Is it going to continue to hold fast on social issues as politics, alienating the middle?

Social issues do not alienate the Middle. The exaggerations of the Media alienate the Middle. Question: Do you believe that Bush banned stem cell research?

• Is it going to continue to refuse to admit that it has no choice now but to somehow approach the various "identity groups" individually and with sincerity and passion?

We cannot even attempt to out pander the dems for the votes of minorities without supporting discrimination against Whites. We would fail to attract the majority of minority voters and alienate our base. Not to mention that anti-white discrimination is wrong, of course.

• Is it going to finally understand that it's allowing the wrong people to sell conservatism?

This isn't about the people doing the "selling". The GOP always wins the White vote. Why? Because minus Identity Politics Capitalism and Democracy sells better than socialism.

This is about the democratic plan to achieve political dominance by importing Third World political culture.

Which has been successful.

Or is it going to just keep doing what it's doing, as demographics keep changing against it?

If Trump loses, that is what will happen. YOu will have the Country Club republicans trying to find the right "messenger" and fighting a losing battle to curry favor with minorities, as they have been. Increasing marginalization of whites will lead to increasing anger among republican voters, with no possibility of their interests or concerns every being addressed.

Their anger will be portrayed by the media as "Racism". And that will be believed by the majority of the nation comprised of Liberals and Minorities and they will react accordingly.

Repeat until something breaks.

Conservative talk show hosts were right about one thing in 2008: It was the most important election of our lifetimes. America is changing fundamentally. Every day.

Precisely what is the party going to do about it? Specifically?

Well, Trump is a major attempt to deal with the downside of "Free Trade" and Third World Immigration, AND to challenge the lock on the Conventional Wisdom that Political Correctness has.

It is very late in the game, but there is no reason to not try.


If this doesn't work and we end up with 8 more years of status quo, I think at that point, democracy stop working in America.

Or, am I wrong, and the GOP is doing just fine as it is, and there is nothing to change?

Oh, no, you're not wrong. The current situation is a fucking disaster for American and Americans.

Or, is Trump an admission that the party can no longer sell conservatism?
.

Conservatism is NOT wedded to being the world's bitch on Trade and Immigration. If Trump wins, and the Party can integrate that truth into our ideology, there might be some hope.

Would you say, then, that the Trump supporters within the party are what is best for the party's future as demographics continue to shift?
.

1. As his message is attractive to working class and middle class white dems yes.

2. As his message is attractive to working class blacks and browns, AND his style and persona is different enough to be seen as distinct from the GOP brand to maybe get a fresh look from them in time, yes.

 

[Correll]

Reading one of guno's endless celebratory "White Christians Are Dying Off" threads and his standard daily dose of hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry aside, I do have to think: The GOP is indeed going to continue to shrink unless it makes some decisions on a macro scale

First of all, let us note how quickly you let the Left off for it's hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry. Now, I am certainly you are thinking that Guno is a worst case scenario.

But you are wrong. Guno is only speaking aloud, what his Party's is actually DOING on purpose, ie, inflicting demographic transformation because they can't win the Contest of Ideas.

• Is it going to continue to allow its loudest voices to ignore Reagan's 80% law and attack & alienate "RINOs" with the same energy it does with Democrats, alienating its own voters?

Are you kidding? Have you compared the energy McCain showed going after his primary challenger compared to how he went after Obama?

The Establishment is the one that has been playing Harder Ball with it's internal opposition than the dems.

• Is it going to continue to hold fast on social issues as politics, alienating the middle?

Social issues do not alienate the Middle. The exaggerations of the Media alienate the Middle. Question: Do you believe that Bush banned stem cell research?

• Is it going to continue to refuse to admit that it has no choice now but to somehow approach the various "identity groups" individually and with sincerity and passion?

We cannot even attempt to out pander the dems for the votes of minorities without supporting discrimination against Whites. We would fail to attract the majority of minority voters and alienate our base. Not to mention that anti-white discrimination is wrong, of course.

• Is it going to finally understand that it's allowing the wrong people to sell conservatism?

This isn't about the people doing the "selling". The GOP always wins the White vote. Why? Because minus Identity Politics Capitalism and Democracy sells better than socialism.

This is about the democratic plan to achieve political dominance by importing Third World political culture.

Which has been successful.

Or is it going to just keep doing what it's doing, as demographics keep changing against it?

If Trump loses, that is what will happen. YOu will have the Country Club republicans trying to find the right "messenger" and fighting a losing battle to curry favor with minorities, as they have been. Increasing marginalization of whites will lead to increasing anger among republican voters, with no possibility of their interests or concerns every being addressed.

Their anger will be portrayed by the media as "Racism". And that will be believed by the majority of the nation comprised of Liberals and Minorities and they will react accordingly.

Repeat until something breaks.

Conservative talk show hosts were right about one thing in 2008: It was the most important election of our lifetimes. America is changing fundamentally. Every day.

Precisely what is the party going to do about it? Specifically?

Well, Trump is a major attempt to deal with the downside of "Free Trade" and Third World Immigration, AND to challenge the lock on the Conventional Wisdom that Political Correctness has.

It is very late in the game, but there is no reason to not try.


If this doesn't work and we end up with 8 more years of status quo, I think at that point, democracy stop working in America.

Or, am I wrong, and the GOP is doing just fine as it is, and there is nothing to change?

Oh, no, you're not wrong. The current situation is a fucking disaster for American and Americans.

Or, is Trump an admission that the party can no longer sell conservatism?
.

Conservatism is NOT wedded to being the world's bitch on Trade and Immigration. If Trump wins, and the Party can integrate that truth into our ideology, there might be some hope.

Would you say, then, that the Trump supporters within the party are what is best for the party's future as demographics continue to shift?
.

Drumpf’s message of higher walls and more barriers shrinks the economy. Trump is exactly the right candidate for them to have from the POV of the Democrats.

"Free Trade", outsourcing and immigration have greatly fucked the Working Class and MIddle Class.


Economic growth that does not benefit the majority of Americans is no great victory.

 

[Correll]

It is an interesting question Mac asks. When I think of the Republican Party, the first thing that I think of is intolerance. A/An “we’re right, we know we’re right, you’re wrong and you’re too stupid to know how wrong you are” group that is resistant to science and nuanced topics.

Judging from this website, they don’t need to change anything. There seems to be an unending supply of yokels who fit the category.

And yet in your very post you spew intolerance. Interesting.

Perhaps. But if you read the posts from the Right Wing around here…tell me where I’m mistaken.

You are mistaken.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is an interesting question Mac asks. When I think of the Republican Party, the first thing that I think of is intolerance. A/An “we’re right, we know we’re right, you’re wrong and you’re too stupid to know how wrong you are” group that is resistant to science and nuanced topics.

Judging from this website, they don’t need to change anything. There seems to be an unending supply of yokels who fit the category.

And yet in your very post you spew intolerance. Interesting.

I guess you take her comment personally, I find her post to be a statement of facts.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is an interesting question Mac asks. When I think of the Republican Party, the first thing that I think of is intolerance. A/An “we’re right, we know we’re right, you’re wrong and you’re too stupid to know how wrong you are” group that is resistant to science and nuanced topics.

Judging from this website, they don’t need to change anything. There seems to be an unending supply of yokels who fit the category.

And yet in your very post you spew intolerance. Interesting.

Perhaps. But if you read the posts from the Right Wing around here…tell me where I’m mistaken.

You are mistaken.

Maybe the shortest ^^^ idiot-gram of the month!

 

[Correll]

It is an interesting question Mac asks. When I think of the Republican Party, the first thing that I think of is intolerance. A/An “we’re right, we know we’re right, you’re wrong and you’re too stupid to know how wrong you are” group that is resistant to science and nuanced topics.

Judging from this website, they don’t need to change anything. There seems to be an unending supply of yokels who fit the category.

And yet in your very post you spew intolerance. Interesting.

I guess you take her comment personally, I find her post to be a statement of facts.

Anyone who has spoken to many lefties knows that when lefties talk about people who are "intolerant" or "Stupid" or whatever, they are really talking about people who have the nerve to disagree with them, and not be cowed by the threats of being called names.

 

[Correll]

It is an interesting question Mac asks. When I think of the Republican Party, the first thing that I think of is intolerance. A/An “we’re right, we know we’re right, you’re wrong and you’re too stupid to know how wrong you are” group that is resistant to science and nuanced topics.

Judging from this website, they don’t need to change anything. There seems to be an unending supply of yokels who fit the category.

And yet in your very post you spew intolerance. Interesting.

Perhaps. But if you read the posts from the Right Wing around here…tell me where I’m mistaken.

You are mistaken.

Maybe the shortest ^^^ idiot-gram of the month!

Contrary to popular lefty belief, being tolerant of anyone or anything as long as they don't present a problem for your agenda is not really tolerant.

 

[Mac1958]

Reading one of guno's endless celebratory "White Christians Are Dying Off" threads and his standard daily dose of hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry aside, I do have to think: The GOP is indeed going to continue to shrink unless it makes some decisions on a macro scale

First of all, let us note how quickly you let the Left off for it's hatred, nastiness and religious bigotry. Now, I am certainly you are thinking that Guno is a worst case scenario.

But you are wrong. Guno is only speaking aloud, what his Party's is actually DOING on purpose, ie, inflicting demographic transformation because they can't win the Contest of Ideas.

• Is it going to continue to allow its loudest voices to ignore Reagan's 80% law and attack & alienate "RINOs" with the same energy it does with Democrats, alienating its own voters?

Are you kidding? Have you compared the energy McCain showed going after his primary challenger compared to how he went after Obama?

The Establishment is the one that has been playing Harder Ball with it's internal opposition than the dems.

• Is it going to continue to hold fast on social issues as politics, alienating the middle?

Social issues do not alienate the Middle. The exaggerations of the Media alienate the Middle. Question: Do you believe that Bush banned stem cell research?

• Is it going to continue to refuse to admit that it has no choice now but to somehow approach the various "identity groups" individually and with sincerity and passion?

We cannot even attempt to out pander the dems for the votes of minorities without supporting discrimination against Whites. We would fail to attract the majority of minority voters and alienate our base. Not to mention that anti-white discrimination is wrong, of course.

• Is it going to finally understand that it's allowing the wrong people to sell conservatism?

This isn't about the people doing the "selling". The GOP always wins the White vote. Why? Because minus Identity Politics Capitalism and Democracy sells better than socialism.

This is about the democratic plan to achieve political dominance by importing Third World political culture.

Which has been successful.

Or is it going to just keep doing what it's doing, as demographics keep changing against it?

If Trump loses, that is what will happen. YOu will have the Country Club republicans trying to find the right "messenger" and fighting a losing battle to curry favor with minorities, as they have been. Increasing marginalization of whites will lead to increasing anger among republican voters, with no possibility of their interests or concerns every being addressed.

Their anger will be portrayed by the media as "Racism". And that will be believed by the majority of the nation comprised of Liberals and Minorities and they will react accordingly.

Repeat until something breaks.

Conservative talk show hosts were right about one thing in 2008: It was the most important election of our lifetimes. America is changing fundamentally. Every day.

Precisely what is the party going to do about it? Specifically?

Well, Trump is a major attempt to deal with the downside of "Free Trade" and Third World Immigration, AND to challenge the lock on the Conventional Wisdom that Political Correctness has.

It is very late in the game, but there is no reason to not try.


If this doesn't work and we end up with 8 more years of status quo, I think at that point, democracy stop working in America.

Or, am I wrong, and the GOP is doing just fine as it is, and there is nothing to change?

Oh, no, you're not wrong. The current situation is a fucking disaster for American and Americans.

Or, is Trump an admission that the party can no longer sell conservatism?
.

Conservatism is NOT wedded to being the world's bitch on Trade and Immigration. If Trump wins, and the Party can integrate that truth into our ideology, there might be some hope.

Would you say, then, that the Trump supporters within the party are what is best for the party's future as demographics continue to shift?
.

1. As his message is attractive to working class and middle class white dems yes.

2. As his message is attractive to working class blacks and browns, AND his style and persona is different enough to be seen as distinct from the GOP brand to maybe get a fresh look from them in time, yes.

The main risk I see here is that his behaviors will cloud - or even damage - that message, both short term and long term.

It's possible that he'll try to moderate his behavior, and (I could be wrong here) it seems like there is some effort in that direction.
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