Is the USA a nation?

[OKTexas]

No, no more than the EU is a nation, the individual States are the sovereigns who have loaned power to a managing entity and can resend that power if they chose.

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

 

[SwimExpert]

No, no more than the EU is a nation, the individual States are the sovereigns who have loaned power to a managing entity and can resend that power if they chose.

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

Because it's the government of the federated state. But you're getting off topic. Is the United State of America a nation?

 

[OKTexas]

No, no more than the EU is a nation, the individual States are the sovereigns who have loaned power to a managing entity and can resend that power if they chose.

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

Because it's the government of the federated state. But you're getting off topic. Is the United State of America a nation?

I answered that in my first post, try to pay attention.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nomadic chieftains, in this day and age, aboundeth not. But Trump is acting like he would want to be one.

 

[SwimExpert]

No, no more than the EU is a nation, the individual States are the sovereigns who have loaned power to a managing entity and can resend that power if they chose.

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

Because it's the government of the federated state. But you're getting off topic. Is the United State of America a nation?

I answered that in my first post, try to pay attention.

Well, you said "no." But then you went on some tangent that was vaguely in reference to federated states, which didn't make any sense and seemed to be based on a lack of understanding of what a federated state is. So maybe you can offer an explanation for why you don't believe the USA is a nation....without digressing again about federated states.

 

[Contumacious]

No, no more than the EU is a nation, the individual States are the sovereigns who have loaned power to a managing entity and can resend that power if they chose.

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

The government is federal only in respect to those power SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED


Resolved_, That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, -- delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force; that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress


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[SwimExpert]

Nomadic chieftains, in this day and age, aboundeth not.

Neither do city-states.

 

[Onyx]

Set borders aren't necessarily required for the existence of a state. Nomadic chiefdoms, for example.

There are more inclusive and alternative definitions.

In essence, they practically are the same thing, so I agree with you there.

 

[OKTexas]

No, no more than the EU is a nation, the individual States are the sovereigns who have loaned power to a managing entity and can resend that power if they chose.

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

Because it's the government of the federated state. But you're getting off topic. Is the United State of America a nation?

I answered that in my first post, try to pay attention.

Well, you said "no." But then you went on some tangent that was vaguely in reference to federated states, which didn't make any sense and seemed to be based on a lack of understanding of what a federated state is. So maybe you can offer an explanation for why you don't believe the USA is a nation....without digressing again about federated states.

As I said it's a union of sovereign States, granted power by those States who can revoke all or any of those powers at will. A nation is a single unit, we are a limited union of 50 units. Just like the EU is a limited union of sovereign States.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes? No? Explain.

Not if conservatives had their way. They want a Balkan style mess of 50 separate nation states.

 

[SwimExpert]

As I said it's a union of sovereign States, granted power by those States who can revoke all or any of those powers at will.

Cool story, bro.

A nation is a single unit, we are a limited union of 50 units. Just like the EU is a limited union of sovereign States.

Ah, now I see the problem! You have no idea what a nation is!

 

[SwimExpert]

Yes? No? Explain.

Not if conservatives had their way. They want a Balkan style mess of 50 separate nation states.

Oh, that's a pretty creative interpretation of things. If anything, conservatives want the USA to be a nation, whereas liberals do not.

 

[SwimExpert]

Set borders aren't necessarily required for the existence of a state. Nomadic chiefdoms, for example.

There are more inclusive and alternative definitions.

In essence, they practically are the same thing, so I agree with you there.

I think the difference revolves around sovereignty.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sounds like you're alluding to (though still not grasping) a federated state.

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

Because it's the government of the federated state. But you're getting off topic. Is the United State of America a nation?

I answered that in my first post, try to pay attention.

Well, you said "no." But then you went on some tangent that was vaguely in reference to federated states, which didn't make any sense and seemed to be based on a lack of understanding of what a federated state is. So maybe you can offer an explanation for why you don't believe the USA is a nation....without digressing again about federated states.

As I said it's a union of sovereign States, granted power by those States who can revoke all or any of those powers at will. A nation is a single unit, we are a limited union of 50 units. Just like the EU is a limited union of sovereign States.

Repetition does not make your nonsense true.

 

[SwimExpert]

Why do you think they call it the "federal government"?

Because it's the government of the federated state. But you're getting off topic. Is the United State of America a nation?

I answered that in my first post, try to pay attention.

Well, you said "no." But then you went on some tangent that was vaguely in reference to federated states, which didn't make any sense and seemed to be based on a lack of understanding of what a federated state is. So maybe you can offer an explanation for why you don't believe the USA is a nation....without digressing again about federated states.

As I said it's a union of sovereign States, granted power by those States who can revoke all or any of those powers at will. A nation is a single unit, we are a limited union of 50 units. Just like the EU is a limited union of sovereign States.

Repetition does not make your nonsense true.

It does, however, highlight his uneducated ignorance.

 

[Contumacious]

Yes? No? Explain.

Not if conservatives had their way. They want a Balkan style mess of 50 separate nation states.

Not if the fascists/socialists have their way.

They want a gargantuan powerful centralized bankrupt federal government and 50 provinces.


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[Londoner]

Yes? No? Explain.

Louisiana is part of a nation when they beg (and receive) federal help for their recent floods. [Conservatives are part of a nation when they don't buy flood insurance, but beg Washington to cover their property losses because of floods/hurricanes]

Every capitalist is a part of a nation when his company uses the satellite system created by government or the road system or the military defense of overseas supply chains.

Every profit maker in the Southwest is part of a nation when they use the energy and water created by the Hoover Dam and harnessing of the Colorado River's massive tributary system.

Mississippi and Alabama - deeply Red states - are part of a nation when they take more in federal aid than they pay in taxes.

Every corporation is part of a nation when they enjoy financing through the Fed Discount Window but shift the risk to the taxpayer, who bails them out as a last resort. [Yup, John Galt is one of the biggest takers]

Every corporation is part of a nation when they come crawling to the nanny state for patent protection of their products.

The above takers - red states & corporations - are NOT part of a nation when they enjoy the massive benefits of the government but have the luxury of hating the hand that feeds them.

 

[SwimExpert]

Not if the fascists/socialists have their way.

They want a gargantuan powerful centralized bankrupt federal government and 50 provinces.

Tomato, tomato.

 

[OKTexas]

As I said it's a union of sovereign States, granted power by those States who can revoke all or any of those powers at will.

Cool story, bro.

A nation is a single unit, we are a limited union of 50 units. Just like the EU is a limited union of sovereign States.

Ah, now I see the problem! You have no idea what a nation is!

Story my ass, if 3/4ths of the States decided to dissolve the union or any portion of it, they could do so constitutionally.

 

[Freewill]

Uh yeah....

na·tion
ˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.