Islamic State Created By Us To Control Middle East

[georgephillip]

Thirteen months after Americans made it clear they would not tolerate another Libya in Syria, IS has risen just in time for the mid-terms.

"Only those who watch the news and ignore history" are surprised:

"Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region..."

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

"The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring.

"ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists.

"Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom."

The so-called "War on Terror" is primarily a pretext for maintaining an oversized US military; IS only exists because it serves that purpose.

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

 

[georgephillip]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

 

[georgephillip]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

 

[Hossfly]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Here's how to keep terrorists and their supporters away, George.

Bacon Candle - I Am A Texan, LLC

 

[georgephillip]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Here's how to keep terrorists and their supporters away, George.

Bacon Candle - I Am A Texan, LLC

Now, you've gone to far, Killer!

Say it ain't so, Hossie

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

No idiot. I knew Alexander Cockburn before he died, co-editor of CounterPunch, the radical communist rag you cite. It's published in a dinky little enclave on the Pacific coast in Petrolia, California, in Humboldt County, where I lived for six years (in Eureka). You've got to be a raving loon to live in Petrolia. Petrolia is also where the Church of Scientology has its $11 million underground vault, where all the sacred writings of their fruitloop founder, L Ron Hubbard, reside. Petrolia is that kind of place: fringe fruitcakes.

It's beautiful there though. Scrub oaks and green rolling hills above the Pacific. Cockburn had a little house overlooking the Pacific that he rented out for weekends. You had to climb about 300 ft. of steps to get up to the place. No electricity, no phones. My wife and I rented it a couple of times. It was a great little retreat.

 

[SAYIT]

Thirteen months after Americans made it clear they would not tolerate another Libya in Syria, IS has risen just in time for the mid-terms.

"Only those who watch the news and ignore history" are surprised:

"Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region..."

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

"The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring.

"ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists.

"Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom."

The so-called "War on Terror" is primarily a pretext for maintaining an oversized US military; IS only exists because it serves that purpose.

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Ya know, I have no faith in anything Counterpunch publishes but I'd like to believe my gov't is sharp enough to use ISIL as a fire with which to fight fire. Problem is, it would entail a virtual "paper trail" (something more substantial than C-Punch's speculation and innuendo) that would discredit and perhaps incarcerate any gov't agent involved. As much as I'd like to believe it is true your source just doesn't convince me. Sorry.

 

[MisterBeale]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

When you don't have decent counter argument or opposing facts, always attack the source. Great strategy.

​

 

[MisterBeale]

. . . BUT, If those facts came from the BLAZE? Well then you might believe? Eh?

The photograph allegedly shows Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) linked Commander Muhajireen Kavkaz wa Sham, along with other rebels dawning battle-gear and an RPG, inside a USAID tent.

The terror group is known inside Syria by its acronym, ISIS. It is an Al Qaeda-linked jihad organization and recently it announced a campaign of “cleansing evil” at pro-Western opposition groups inside Syria.

Al Qaeda-Linked Syria Group Enjoying USAID You 8217 ve Got to See This to Believe It TheBlaze.com

 

[aris2chat]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Here's how to keep terrorists and their supporters away, George.

Bacon Candle - I Am A Texan, LLC

Now, you've gone to far, Killer!

Say it ain't so, Hossie

It's for fuel (lights) not ingested.
Shit is used for fuel, but cannibalism is frowned on. There are circumstances where even cremation is permitted in Islam. Burning fat or burning a body has it's value, at times.
Pigs actually make very good pets and are better at sniffing (drugs, bombs, tracking) than dogs.
It is only the meat, to eat, that is haram. I suspect it has more to do with worms, and lack of refrigeration at the time, than a problem with the animal itself. There is less danger is colder climates from eating pork or any scavenger/omnivore.

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Here's how to keep terrorists and their supporters away, George.

Bacon Candle - I Am A Texan, LLC

Now, you've gone to far, Killer!

Say it ain't so, Hossie

It's for fuel (lights) not ingested.
Shit is used for fuel, but cannibalism is frowned on. There are circumstances where even cremation is permitted in Islam. Burning fat or burning a body has it's value, at times.
Pigs actually make very good pets and are better at sniffing (drugs, bombs, tracking) than dogs.
It is only the meat, to eat, that is haram. I suspect it has more to do with worms, and lack of refrigeration at the time, than a problem with the animal itself. There is less danger is colder climates from eating pork or any scavenger/omnivore.

True enough. One of the major killers of people in the 19th century and all the centuries leading up to it, was hookworms, almost always ingested from insufficiently cooked pork. We too often treat religious taboos as superstitions, when in fact many came into the corpus of religion because of practicality.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes, I believe Obama helped ISIS or ISL as he so reverently calls it.

 

[georgephillip]

Thirteen months after Americans made it clear they would not tolerate another Libya in Syria, IS has risen just in time for the mid-terms.

"Only those who watch the news and ignore history" are surprised:

"Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region..."

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

"The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring.

"ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists.

"Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom."

The so-called "War on Terror" is primarily a pretext for maintaining an oversized US military; IS only exists because it serves that purpose.

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Ya know, I have no faith in anything Counterpunch publishes but I'd like to believe my gov't is sharp enough to use ISIL as a fire with which to fight fire. Problem is, it would entail a virtual "paper trail" (something more substantial than C-Punch's speculation and innuendo) that would discredit and perhaps incarcerate any gov't agent involved. As much as I'd like to believe it is true your source just doesn't convince me. Sorry.

Would you expect such a "paper trail" to be "Classified Top Secret"? If the next disclosure of such secrets included diplomatic cables proving the US created IS, would you blame whoever released the cables to the public or the politicians, generals, and bureaucrats who wrote the memos?

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, I believe Obama helped ISIS or ISL as he so reverently calls it.

What role did Cheney and Bush (and Carter, Clinton, and Reagan) play in creating the conditions for Obama and IS to thrive?

 

[eagle1462010]

CounterPunch?? That communist rag would be considered too extreme even by Uncle Joe.

Stalin was a fascist with a visceral hatred for a free press. Obviously, he would prefer Fox News to CounterPunch.

"In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots.

"The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration.

"The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs.

"Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence.

"Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Why don't you try attacking the message instead of the messenger?

Because I knew the messenger when I lived in Northern California. He's a fucking idiot.

You knew: Garikai Chengu ... a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on [email protected]?

Can you comment intelligently on the following?

"America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair.

"Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group.

"Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy."

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Here's how to keep terrorists and their supporters away, George.

Bacon Candle - I Am A Texan, LLC

LMAO!

 

[Delta4Embassy]

While I'm no flag waving patriot any longer, I don't give the US that much credit. IS isn't likely a creation of US planners. There are easier ways to do things than create terrorist groups out of thin air.

I think what's more likely is US leaders are simply embarassed for having underestimate yet another terror organization that it got momentum and traction and became a global concern long after brought to US' attention. Now it's too much to do anything decisive about short of another mid-east war.

US is on the way out. We're Rome well into its' decline and fall. Our model of doingt hings governmentally has completely failed and our constant inaction is destroying the entir eplanet via climate change. But any distraction from these facts will do, so voila' enter IS.

Never let those you lead see you panic or you wont be leading much longer. Divert critical examination from yourself onto something or someone else. Hitler blamed immigrants and Jews to dovert public attention away from what he and the Nazis were doing. Much as Republicans blame immigrants, and the Dmeocrats blame Republicans. Blame somebody or you'll be the one hanging from a gallows.

 

[georgephillip]

While I'm no flag waving patriot any longer, I don't give the US that much credit. IS isn't likely a creation of US planners. There are easier ways to do things than create terrorist groups out of thin air.

I think what's more likely is US leaders are simply embarassed for having underestimate yet another terror organization that it got momentum and traction and became a global concern long after brought to US' attention. Now it's too much to do anything decisive about short of another mid-east war.

US is on the way out. We're Rome well into its' decline and fall. Our model of doingt hings governmentally has completely failed and our constant inaction is destroying the entir eplanet via climate change. But any distraction from these facts will do, so voila' enter IS.

Never let those you lead see you panic or you wont be leading much longer. Divert critical examination from yourself onto something or someone else. Hitler blamed immigrants and Jews to dovert public attention away from what he and the Nazis were doing. Much as Republicans blame immigrants, and the Dmeocrats blame Republicans. Blame somebody or you'll be the one hanging from a gallows.

Part of whatever effectiveness The Surge had in Iraq came from paying Sunni insurgents not to attack US troops.

Does it seem possible to you the US paid key elements of the Iraqi Army to desert during the Islamic State's capture of Mosul last June?

 

[SAYIT]

Ya know, I have no faith in anything Counterpunch publishes but I'd like to believe my gov't is sharp enough to use ISIL as a fire with which to fight fire. Problem is, it would entail a virtual "paper trail" (something more substantial than C-Punch's speculation and innuendo) that would discredit and perhaps incarcerate any gov't agent involved. As much as I'd like to believe it is true your source just doesn't convince me. Sorry.

Would you expect such a "paper trail" to be "Classified Top Secret"? If the next disclosure of such secrets included diplomatic cables proving the US created IS, would you blame whoever released the cables to the public or the politicians, generals, and bureaucrats who wrote the memos?

By virtual "paper trail" I meant a chain of participants who, as is well established, couldn't pull off a surprise birthday party. Our gov't is full of whisperers, whistleblowers and rats but as already stated I certainly hope the Obama administration is sharp enough to co-op the Mideast terror-rats and use them to serve our interests. I take it you have a prob with that. I'm not surprised.