Judge Engeron should be disbarred for judicial misconduct.

[meaner gene]

OK
A penalty based on the amount of the fraud.
Like the cost of a speeding ticket going up based on speed and location.

Close enough.
Plus your speeding ticket analogy was PERFECT.

 

[Leo123]

Trump committed the fraud, not Engeron.

What fraud?

 

[MarathonMike]

Because....
BECAUSE...
BECAUSE...

Trump got his fee fees hurt,

What a childish dodge. Your Party is making a mockery of US Law to politically assassinate Trump.

 

[para bellum]

Just read the decision

Also Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr. had a grand jury investigation of President Trump that had been going since 2019.

That was a criminal investigation of a sitting President, by an Officer of a State court, with a grand jury that was empaneled by a State court.

 

[Leo123]

Nobody with a 2 bedroom 1 1/2 bath house lists it as 6 bedroom 4 bath.

If Trump was a used car salesman, he would list a Pinto as a Lincoln Continental.

So what? A seller can say anything about what they are selling it’s not a crime.

 

[MarathonMike]

Trump committed the fraud, not Engeron.

In a civil fraud case, the plaintiff presents how much he/she lost as the result of the fraud. There was no victim, there was no fraud. This is twisting and contorting the laws into a weapon to attack Trump.

 

[Dadoalex]

What a childish dodge. Your Party is making a mockery of US Law to politically assassinate Trump.

Of course they are...
Trump committed no fraud...Well
Trump didn't try to steal and sell classified information...Well
Trump never even called Georgia...Weeeellllll

He's a poor victim of those evil Democrats..

If you believe any of that you are as stupid as I've always assumed.

 

[meaner gene]

Also Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr. had a grand jury investigation of President Trump that had been going since 2019.

That was a criminal investigation of a sitting President in a State court...

Please.... stick to the truth.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manhattan-da-calls-new-grand-jury-trump-organization-case-washington-post-2021-11-04/

Prosecutors Investigating the Trump Organization Zero In on Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg

Weisselberg is one of the Trump Organization’s longest tenured employees and is now co-running the business. He escaped federal prosecution for the Stormy Daniels payments but is now a focus of an investigation by Manhattan’s district attorney.

www.propublica.org

Cyrus Vance Jr. was investigating the Trump Organization. During which they subpoenaed Trumps tax records because the Trump organization was unresponsive to that part of the subpoena.

But when one of Vance’s staffers placed a courtesy call to inform the federal prosecutors of their investigation, according to the source familiar with the investigation, the DA was asked to “stand down.” The reason: The U.S. attorney’s office said it was still investigating the Trump Organization, pursuing additional targets.

Vance’s probe remained on hold for nearly a year — until July 18, 2019 — when Pauley revealed that federal prosecutors had informed him their investigation was “effectively concluded.”

With that, the Manhattan DA quickly restarted his state investigation. On Aug. 1, a grand jury subpoenaed an array of records from the Trump Organization involving the hush-money payments and Cohen’s work for Trump. The DA contended that the subpoena applied to Trump’s tax records.

 

[meaner gene]

So what? A seller can say anything about what they are selling it’s not a crime.

Can I be charged for lying about a product I sell? - FEDERAL LAWYERS [2024]

Contents1 Can I be charged for lying about a product I sell?1.1 Consumer protection laws1.2 What charges or penalties could their be?1.3 What if it was an honest mistake?1.4 What are some defenses people use?1.5 How can sellers be more ethical?1.6 The bottom line Can I be charged for lying about...

www.federallawyers.com

The bottom line

Lying and deceiving about a product to make sales is not only unethical but illegal. Consumer laws exist to protect people from fraud. As a seller, you must be truthful and transparent. Sure, some exaggeration happens in advertising but outright lying crosses the line and can lead to serious penalties.

Sources:

FTC – The Truth About Advertising
FindLaw – State Consumer Protection Laws
Lanham Act – 15 U.S. Code § 1125

 

[meaner gene]

In a civil fraud case, the plaintiff presents how much he/she lost as the result of the fraud. There was no victim, there was no fraud. This is twisting and contorting the laws into a weapon to attack Trump.

This would be no different than if a bank employee embezzled $1 million. Went to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and used the $1 million to play various high stakes tables, where he ends up winning $500,000.
With $1.5 million in hand, he returns the $1 million to the bank before the weekly audit noticed it was missing.
He now has $500,000 and neither the bank or the casino raised a complaint.

No harm no foul?

Guess what the law says.

 

[MarathonMike]

This would be no different than if a bank employee embezzled $1 million. Went to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and used the $1 million to play various high stakes tables, where he ends up winning $500,000.
With $1.5 million in hand, he returns the $1 million to the bank before the weekly audit noticed it was missing.
He now has $500,000 and neither the bank or the casino raised a complaint.

No harm no foul?

Guess what the law says.

You are supporting Democrat wrongdoing by playing silly analogy games and wordsmithing. ALL of the lawsuits and 91 indictments are pure chicanery.

 

[meaner gene]

You are supporting Democrat wrongdoing by playing silly analogy games and wordsmithing. ALL of the lawsuits and 91 indictments are pure chicanery.

Not a silly analogy game, We're talking law.

If I use stolen money to gamble, do I get to keep the winnings?

If a person were to steal $10,000 from a convenience store and gamble with it, winning $500,000. And later they were caught, would the government only claw back the $10,000 or also the $500,000? Wo...

law.stackexchange.com

A 2018 trial court decision in New York State sets forth some of the relevant case law,

Turning to the cause of action for unjust enrichment, such a cause of action arises when one party possesses money or obtains a benefit that in equity and good conscience they should not have obtained or possessed because it rightfully belongs to another *." (Mente v. Wenzel, 178 AD2d 705, 706; see, Strong v. Strong, 277 AD2d 533). To state a claim for unjust enrichment, the plaintiff must allege "that (1) the other party was enriched, (2) at that party's expense, and (3) that it is against equity and good conscience to permit the other party to retain what is sought to be recovered *." (Mandarin Trading Ltd. v. Wildenstein, 16 NY3d 173, 182 [brackets and internal quotation marks omitted]; Georgia Malone & Co., Inc. v. Rieder, 19 NY3d 511, 516.). In the case at bar, the plaintiff produced sufficient evidence to show that there are genuine issues of fact to be tried regarding the elements of a cause of action for unjust enrichment.

These cases come under "equity", instead of "tort" law.

 

[Leo123]

Can I be charged for lying about a product I sell? - FEDERAL LAWYERS [2024]

Contents1 Can I be charged for lying about a product I sell?1.1 Consumer protection laws1.2 What charges or penalties could their be?1.3 What if it was an honest mistake?1.4 What are some defenses people use?1.5 How can sellers be more ethical?1.6 The bottom line Can I be charged for lying about...

www.federallawyers.com

The bottom line

Lying and deceiving about a product to make sales is not only unethical but illegal. Consumer laws exist to protect people from fraud. As a seller, you must be truthful and transparent. Sure, some exaggeration happens in advertising but outright lying crosses the line and can lead to serious penalties.

Sources:

FTC – The Truth About Advertising
FindLaw – State Consumer Protection Laws
Lanham Act – 15 U.S. Code § 1125

Trump told them to get their own assessments. There was no intent to defraud.

 

[para bellum]

Please.... stick to the truth.

Again, your own link confirms what I said. Vance had a grand jury investigation going on in 2019:

Vance’s probe remained on hold for nearly a year — until July 18, 2019 — when Pauley revealed that federal prosecutors had informed him their investigation was “effectively concluded.”

With that, the Manhattan DA quickly restarted his state investigation. On Aug. 1, a grand jury subpoenaed an array of records from the Trump Organization involving the hush-money payments and Cohen’s work for Trump. The DA contended that the subpoena applied to Trump’s tax records.

 

[para bellum]

Not a silly analogy game, We're talking law.

The AG has not asked for a constructive trust to be setup in this case, it's irrelevant.

A constructive trust is when the money in question is deposited into the registry of the court or a trust account until a decision is reached.

I don't know why you keep doing this.

Your analogy of gambling winnings is off the mark. The person who was the rightful owner of the money would get his money back. The person who stole the money would be charged with the theft. The gambling winnings would be subject to civil forfeiture as profits from an illegal activity. All of those things would be dependent on the thief actually getting convicted of the crime.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No logical, reasonable thinker would equate Clarence Thomas to Engoron.

Sigh

 

[meaner gene]

Again, your own link confirms what I said. Vance had a grand jury investigation going on in 2019:

An investigation of the Trump Organization.

The Trump Organization wasn't a federal officer.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

 

[meaner gene]

The AG has not asked for a constructive trust to be setup in this case, it's irrelevant.

A constructive trust is when the money in question is deposited into the registry of the court or a trust account until a decision is reached.

I don't know why you keep doing this.

Your analogy of gambling winnings is off the mark. The person who was the rightful owner of the money would get his money back. The person who stole the money would be charged with the theft. The gambling winnings would be subject to civil forfeiture as profits from an illegal activity. All of those things would be dependent on the thief actually getting convicted of the crime.

No need to put the money in trust.
Whatever the appeal comes up with as a final figure goes straight to the treasury of New York State.

 

[meaner gene]

All of those things would be dependent on the thief actually getting convicted of the crime.

You mean like this?

A Manhattan jury has found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records
Dec 7, 2022