Just Got an Email From John Adams about this election.....

[owebo]

Actually the two political parties don't have to be "concerting measures in opposition to each other", it just worked out that way. It's hard to imagine that JFK was a democrat considering that the democrat party has drifted to the left so far in 50 years that it's off the freaking charts. Who would have ever thought that democrats would have a socialist running in their primary in the 21st century? My apologies to John Adams but the parties aren't "arranged" under a leader, the leaders are elected by voters or representatives. Actually the greatest political evil under the Constitution is the mainstream media becoming a propaganda arm of the democrat party and the greatest Constitutional political benefit to having two parties is that they compete against each other for votes and people have a choice. Isn't a 3rd party acting in concerted opposition to the other two parties? Leave it to pot head Gary Johnson to cherry pick a quote from a President who died two hundred years ago and wrap an idiotic campaign around it.

That's exactly why only 4 folks run the Congress. "concerting measures in opposition to each other" --- with the principle of goal of RETAINING power. The JFK example was great. NEW public consensus is FORCED to mold itself to EXISTING parties, rather than produce their OWN platforms and constitutencies. That's why Bernie got fucked over on his principles. And why the Donald was able to buy his way in for cheap..

Because there are only 2 Brand Name corporations in politics. And they collude to screw YOU and their candidates.

Every candidate knows what they're getting into WAY before anyone knows their name.

Or the good ones --- don't even try. Dems have hunted Blue Dogs into extinction. And both parties set their sights on the Tea Party. Politicians that SPEAK out get "primaried out" in their next contest. You get a closet on the Hill for an office. THEY have no refuge for speaking their minds.

A Blue Dog is the ONLY kind of Democrat candidate I will vote for.
I will NOT vote for ANY Neo-Conservative on a National level.

They've all been lynched by fascist democrats.....

 

[Unkotare]

... John Adams actually passed the first sedition act.....

Presidents don't pass laws, genius.

 

[Theowl32]

... John Adams actually passed the first sedition act.....

Presidents don't pass laws, genius.

He signed it into law in 1798.

Adams passes first of Alien and Sedition Acts - Jun 18, 1798 - HISTORY.com

President John Adams passes the Naturalization Act, the first of four pieces of controversial legislation known together as the Alien and Sedition Acts, on this day in 1798. Strong political opposition to these acts succeeded in undermining the Adams administration, helping Thomas Jefferson to win the presidency in 1800.

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Lol at the Jap pervert

 

[Unkotare]

... John Adams actually passed the first sedition act.....

Presidents don't pass laws, genius.

He signed it into law in 1798.......

After it was passed by the legislature, genius.

 

[Theowl32]

... John Adams actually passed the first sedition act.....

Presidents don't pass laws, genius.

He signed it into law in 1798.......

After it was passed by the legislature, genius.

You are a fucking idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

... John Adams actually passed the first sedition act.....

Presidents don't pass laws, genius.

He signed it into law in 1798.......

After it was passed by the legislature, genius.

You are a fucking idiot.

I don't blame you for being embarrassed. Maybe you can take a remedial Civics class at a community college.

 

[Katzndogz]

Free Market Libertarian...screw him.

The only one getting screwed will be you, me, and the rest of this country if Dump or Hilliary win...


Belieeeve me, it'll be uuuge...

So,mare you voting for Trump? Of hitlery?

You couldn't pay me to vote for either of them, I prefer to sleep well at night.

Once again Gary Johnson will be getting my vote. Best candidate for the job always does.

He is the best candidate based only on being a pothead. If it wasn't for his drug addiction no one would want him.

 

[Katzndogz]

Good letter, but naive. History has shown those sentiments, while shared by all, are not practical in a democratic society. Sad, but true.

Simple fact is there are opposing views. John Adams actually passed the first sedition act where it was against the law to criticize the president. Jefferson set him straight, but that was the path he wanted to go down.

What is occurring is the parties have gained STRICT CONTROL of politicians and the public. Their 4 leaders in Congress make the other 531 members totally impotent and irrelevant. And the parties are ONLY CONCERNED with obtaining and maintaining power. NOT in representing the interests of the people.

John Adams saw that tyranny coming way back when. Where POWER would be institutionalized instead of shared and bestowed on Public Servants. They are now coronated or BUY THEIR way into the process.

It is a tyranny. Just not the type we were on the look-out for..

Oh, that is true enough. However, it is not that they oppose each other. That is for the media and the naive. We have been a one party system for a while. That is the simple fact.

If we stated quotes from the last 4 or 5 presidents, you would not be able to distinguish who said it unless we told you who actually said it.

We see this in regards to Iraq etc etc etc.

The problem is our representative government has not represented we the people, for who knows how long.

There is no accountability. We are all duped and what we don't know is what makes us the public. Hence the true reason why someone like a Trump cannot win. It will never happen.

Well all that makes the situation more desperate. Because of the parties -- and their focus on winning rather governing -- they HAVE COLLUDED on dividing up power. They cut the South completely loose and STRANDED all those loyal Blue Dogs. (who WERE in fact --- small "l" libertarians) They have perfected the art of cross-blaming so that nobody ever gets indicted because "the other side did it to". They regularly ABANDON losing districts and refuse to run Congressional candidates. Thus "disenfranchising" all of their voters there. They BLOCK access to the ballot so that their duopoly is preserved. J. Adams NAILED it.

It's all become about "winning". And damn the country. Pander and buy constituents and demonize the other.
I'm listening right now to a local Conservative Talk host who has for a week --- been whining about voting for Trump -- "because he's NOT Hillary". That's where we are.

And Gary Johnson is right. 4 years of mediation would not HARM America as much as continuing this race to the bottom.

Mediation as smoking dope in a drum circle.

 

[Silhouette]

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

That's funny, because I just got an email from James Madison that says:

“The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judicia[l] in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self–appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”

So it seems Madison is saying two distinct parties in opposition will balance each other out. And as history has shown us, whenever one type of thinking gains domination, a nation will stagnate and its downfall is surely not far behind..

 

[cereal_killer]

I have zero problems with people smoking weed. Have at it, enjoy..but I'll never vote into office a pot head. BTW I like the Libertarian party, I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul but Gary's Johnson isn't suited for the highest office in the land. Again, he can smoke weed until the cows come home and that's fantastic, but a President he does not make.

 

[Unkotare]

I have zero problems with people smoking weed. Have at it, enjoy..but I'll never vote into office a pot head. BTW I like the Libertarian party, I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul but Gary's Johnson isn't suited for the highest office in the land. Again, he can smoke weed until the cows come home and that's fantastic, but a President he does not make.

The larger problem is that neither does hillary, or trump. There isn't enough weed in the world to make it through the next 4 years which seem likely to do the impossible: be worse than the last 8.

 

[flacaltenn]

Good letter, but naive. History has shown those sentiments, while shared by all, are not practical in a democratic society. Sad, but true.

Simple fact is there are opposing views. John Adams actually passed the first sedition act where it was against the law to criticize the president. Jefferson set him straight, but that was the path he wanted to go down.

What is occurring is the parties have gained STRICT CONTROL of politicians and the public. Their 4 leaders in Congress make the other 531 members totally impotent and irrelevant. And the parties are ONLY CONCERNED with obtaining and maintaining power. NOT in representing the interests of the people.

John Adams saw that tyranny coming way back when. Where POWER would be institutionalized instead of shared and bestowed on Public Servants. They are now coronated or BUY THEIR way into the process.

It is a tyranny. Just not the type we were on the look-out for..

Oh, that is true enough. However, it is not that they oppose each other. That is for the media and the naive. We have been a one party system for a while. That is the simple fact.

If we stated quotes from the last 4 or 5 presidents, you would not be able to distinguish who said it unless we told you who actually said it.

We see this in regards to Iraq etc etc etc.

The problem is our representative government has not represented we the people, for who knows how long.

There is no accountability. We are all duped and what we don't know is what makes us the public. Hence the true reason why someone like a Trump cannot win. It will never happen.

Well all that makes the situation more desperate. Because of the parties -- and their focus on winning rather governing -- they HAVE COLLUDED on dividing up power. They cut the South completely loose and STRANDED all those loyal Blue Dogs. (who WERE in fact --- small "l" libertarians) They have perfected the art of cross-blaming so that nobody ever gets indicted because "the other side did it to". They regularly ABANDON losing districts and refuse to run Congressional candidates. Thus "disenfranchising" all of their voters there. They BLOCK access to the ballot so that their duopoly is preserved. J. Adams NAILED it.

It's all become about "winning". And damn the country. Pander and buy constituents and demonize the other.
I'm listening right now to a local Conservative Talk host who has for a week --- been whining about voting for Trump -- "because he's NOT Hillary". That's where we are.

And Gary Johnson is right. 4 years of mediation would not HARM America as much as continuing this race to the bottom.

Mediation as smoking dope in a drum circle.

No ashhole.. Enjoy your infantile taunting while the parties take this country down the tubes.

A mediation team that would appoint QUALIFIED party neutral people to all those "patronage jobs" like A.General, Head of EPA, IRS, SEC etc. NOT just appoint people sworn to cover their asses if shit goes wrong.

Mediation like appointing Constitutionalists to the SupCt and not "testing them" on partisan issues. Mediation like pointing out how EASY it is to fix Corp/Govt collusion and Corp Welf -- if the Dems/Reps can't protect it.

Mediation like DEFUSING the poo-flinging contests in the media that pass for politics, by opposing it from BOTH parties.. America needs a break from this crap. And if you don't like Johnson/Weld -- or if the LParty doesn't like Johnson/Weld after 4 years, they are NOT gonna pander and compromise their principles and lie to get re-elected. Because SERVING should never be just about winning. You should ASK for votes. Not EXPECT votes.
And you shouldn't have political corporations who's sole purpose is perpetuate MEDIOCRITY and MISTRUST just to gain and maintain power.

 

[flacaltenn]

I have zero problems with people smoking weed. Have at it, enjoy..but I'll never vote into office a pot head. BTW I like the Libertarian party, I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul but Gary's Johnson isn't suited for the highest office in the land. Again, he can smoke weed until the cows come home and that's fantastic, but a President he does not make.

He's a mountain climbing, triathlete who doesn't abuse his body. He took marijuana for about 3 years because he busted up most everything in his body in a glider accident. Does NOT use it now. And is probably better off than those who took the Oxycontin and prescribed meds for that long.

And you confuse advocating freedoms with TOLERATING freedoms for others to do things. The main effort was always to decriminalize marijuana -- NOT to advocate it.

Just as -- in the 70s -- the LParty selected an openly gay man to be their FIRST presidential candidate. NOT because we all ENDORSE that lifestyle, but because he was the BEST CHOICE at the time. That's where y'all are confused about freedom and tolerance. We were called faggot lovers for that BTW..

And we were called treasonous doves for 20 years when we opposed bombing 4 Arab countries a year. Told BOTH your parties that it would lead to chaos and voids of power and GROW terrorism.

Been called a LOT of names. But we been CONSISTENTLY correct and ahead of American "consensus" for 25 or 30 years.
And it's all based on maximizing freedom and choice on all issues --- whether we PERSONALLY endorse those choices or not.

Tolerance and Humility and Liberty.. Three IMPORTANT words completely MISSING from the ClinTrump poo-flinging. Imagine what a little humility could do for 4 years. Instead of arrogance and pissing that is gonna happen.

 

[Katzndogz]

Good letter, but naive. History has shown those sentiments, while shared by all, are not practical in a democratic society. Sad, but true.

Simple fact is there are opposing views. John Adams actually passed the first sedition act where it was against the law to criticize the president. Jefferson set him straight, but that was the path he wanted to go down.

What is occurring is the parties have gained STRICT CONTROL of politicians and the public. Their 4 leaders in Congress make the other 531 members totally impotent and irrelevant. And the parties are ONLY CONCERNED with obtaining and maintaining power. NOT in representing the interests of the people.

John Adams saw that tyranny coming way back when. Where POWER would be institutionalized instead of shared and bestowed on Public Servants. They are now coronated or BUY THEIR way into the process.

It is a tyranny. Just not the type we were on the look-out for..

Oh, that is true enough. However, it is not that they oppose each other. That is for the media and the naive. We have been a one party system for a while. That is the simple fact.

If we stated quotes from the last 4 or 5 presidents, you would not be able to distinguish who said it unless we told you who actually said it.

We see this in regards to Iraq etc etc etc.

The problem is our representative government has not represented we the people, for who knows how long.

There is no accountability. We are all duped and what we don't know is what makes us the public. Hence the true reason why someone like a Trump cannot win. It will never happen.

Well all that makes the situation more desperate. Because of the parties -- and their focus on winning rather governing -- they HAVE COLLUDED on dividing up power. They cut the South completely loose and STRANDED all those loyal Blue Dogs. (who WERE in fact --- small "l" libertarians) They have perfected the art of cross-blaming so that nobody ever gets indicted because "the other side did it to". They regularly ABANDON losing districts and refuse to run Congressional candidates. Thus "disenfranchising" all of their voters there. They BLOCK access to the ballot so that their duopoly is preserved. J. Adams NAILED it.

It's all become about "winning". And damn the country. Pander and buy constituents and demonize the other.
I'm listening right now to a local Conservative Talk host who has for a week --- been whining about voting for Trump -- "because he's NOT Hillary". That's where we are.

And Gary Johnson is right. 4 years of mediation would not HARM America as much as continuing this race to the bottom.

Mediation as smoking dope in a drum circle.

No ashhole.. Enjoy your infantile taunting while the parties take this country down the tubes.

A mediation team that would appoint QUALIFIED party neutral people to all those "patronage jobs" like A.General, Head of EPA, IRS, SEC etc. NOT just appoint people sworn to cover their asses if shit goes wrong.

Mediation like appointing Constitutionalists to the SupCt and not "testing them" on partisan issues. Mediation like pointing out how EASY it is to fix Corp/Govt collusion and Corp Welf -- if the Dems/Reps can't protect it.

Mediation like DEFUSING the poo-flinging contests in the media that pass for politics, by opposing it from BOTH parties.. America needs a break from this crap. And if you don't like Johnson/Weld -- or if the LParty doesn't like Johnson/Weld after 4 years, they are NOT gonna pander and compromise their principles and lie to get re-elected. Because SERVING should never be just about winning. You should ASK for votes. Not EXPECT votes.
And you shouldn't have political corporations who's sole purpose is perpetuate MEDIOCRITY and MISTRUST just to gain and maintain power.

Oh I see now. Mediation by having a lot of people smoking dope in a really big drum circle.

Sorry I missed it the first time.

 

[Katzndogz]

I have zero problems with people smoking weed. Have at it, enjoy..but I'll never vote into office a pot head. BTW I like the Libertarian party, I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul but Gary's Johnson isn't suited for the highest office in the land. Again, he can smoke weed until the cows come home and that's fantastic, but a President he does not make.

He's a mountain climbing, triathlete who doesn't abuse his body. He took marijuana for about 3 years because he busted up most everything in his body in a glider accident. Does NOT use it now. And is probably better off than those who took the Oxycontin and prescribed meds for that long.

And you confuse advocating freedoms with TOLERATING freedoms for others to do things. The main effort was always to decriminalize marijuana -- NOT to advocate it.

Just as -- in the 70s -- the LParty selected an openly gay man to be their FIRST presidential candidate. NOT because we all ENDORSE that lifestyle, but because he was the BEST CHOICE at the time. That's where y'all are confused about freedom and tolerance. We were called faggot lovers for that BTW..

And we were called treasonous doves for 20 years when we opposed bombing 4 Arab countries a year. Told BOTH your parties that it would lead to chaos and voids of power and GROW terrorism.

Been called a LOT of names. But we been CONSISTENTLY correct and ahead of American "consensus" for 25 or 30 years.
And it's all based on maximizing freedom and choice on all issues --- whether we PERSONALLY endorse those choices or not.

Tolerance and Humility and Liberty.. Three IMPORTANT words completely MISSING from the ClinTrump poo-flinging. Imagine what a little humility could do for 4 years. Instead of arrogance and pissing that is gonna happen.

Oh please. He owns and is CEO of a Marijuana start up. I saw him and heard him say that he "probably wouldn't use as president but you never know."

Johnson has a vested and financial interest in promoting widespread pot use.

Tell it to someone who doesn't pay attention.

 

[flacaltenn]

I have zero problems with people smoking weed. Have at it, enjoy..but I'll never vote into office a pot head. BTW I like the Libertarian party, I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul but Gary's Johnson isn't suited for the highest office in the land. Again, he can smoke weed until the cows come home and that's fantastic, but a President he does not make.

He's a mountain climbing, triathlete who doesn't abuse his body. He took marijuana for about 3 years because he busted up most everything in his body in a glider accident. Does NOT use it now. And is probably better off than those who took the Oxycontin and prescribed meds for that long.

And you confuse advocating freedoms with TOLERATING freedoms for others to do things. The main effort was always to decriminalize marijuana -- NOT to advocate it.

Just as -- in the 70s -- the LParty selected an openly gay man to be their FIRST presidential candidate. NOT because we all ENDORSE that lifestyle, but because he was the BEST CHOICE at the time. That's where y'all are confused about freedom and tolerance. We were called faggot lovers for that BTW..

And we were called treasonous doves for 20 years when we opposed bombing 4 Arab countries a year. Told BOTH your parties that it would lead to chaos and voids of power and GROW terrorism.

Been called a LOT of names. But we been CONSISTENTLY correct and ahead of American "consensus" for 25 or 30 years.
And it's all based on maximizing freedom and choice on all issues --- whether we PERSONALLY endorse those choices or not.

Tolerance and Humility and Liberty.. Three IMPORTANT words completely MISSING from the ClinTrump poo-flinging. Imagine what a little humility could do for 4 years. Instead of arrogance and pissing that is gonna happen.

Oh please. He owns and is CEO of a Marijuana start up. I saw him and heard him say that he "probably wouldn't use as president but you never know."

Johnson has a vested and financial interest in promoting widespread pot use.

Tell it to someone who doesn't pay attention.

He took that job to assure that the legalization movement did not go astray and developed the REGULATIONS and infrastructure that would assure it didn't turn into a govt snafu. He got paid $1 per year to do that. And he stepped down.

Evidently, the non-Libertarian dopers like yourself -- believe that when folks VOTE for marijuana legalization or decriminalization, that all of those important details just happen by magic. Without experienced legislators guiding the process..

 

[hjmick]

Free Market Libertarian...screw him.

The only one getting screwed will be you, me, and the rest of this country if Dump or Hilliary win...


Belieeeve me, it'll be uuuge...

So,mare you voting for Trump? Of hitlery?

You couldn't pay me to vote for either of them, I prefer to sleep well at night.

Once again Gary Johnson will be getting my vote. Best candidate for the job always does.

He is the best candidate based only on being a pothead. If it wasn't for his drug addiction no one would want him.

You're so cute... It's a shame that all you know about the man is that he has smoked pot... Oh, could you please provide a link proving his "addiction"?