Kremlin says Russia is open to dialogue with Trump on Ukraine

Mac,

Trump is preparing to leave NATO... As soon as he is gone Ukraine will be let in...
I don't think EU can accept what Trump is doing... Their member's populations are willing to pay to finish this...

Effectively Russia is on its knees...

EU take out all Anti Aircraft.
Take Air Supremacy
Bomb a corridor to Mariupol...
Take out the Crimea bridge and port...
This cuts off Crimea and South Ukraine from Russia, It becomes a siege, the supply chain dries out and soldiers just surrender just to stop the endless drone attacks,
The EU can’t do anything. They are dependent on Russia for energy, thanks to xiden lifting the pipeline sanctions
 
Mac,

Trump is preparing to leave NATO... As soon as he is gone Ukraine will be let in...
I don't think EU can accept what Trump is doing... Their member's populations are willing to pay to finish this...

Effectively Russia is on its knees...

EU take out all Anti Aircraft.
Take Air Supremacy
Bomb a corridor to Mariupol...
Take out the Crimea bridge and port...
This cuts off Crimea and South Ukraine from Russia, It becomes a siege, the supply chain dries out and soldiers just surrender just to stop the endless drone attacks,
You see, without America in NATO Russia will
  • Step.one: nuclear attack against British and French nuclear bases, elimination of their last pair of SSBNs in the sea (if possible).
  • Step two: demand of unconditional surrender of the whole "European NATO". if refused,
  • Step three: surgical nuclear attacks against most important military targets and transport nodes. If Russian generous peace term not just refused, but survived SSBN retaliate,
  • Step four: virtually total nuclear annihilation of Europe.
 
I've been watching a lot of commentary from over there, and I've seen zero indication that they're going to just roll over like Trump. They know that Russia's shitty military is largely decimated and that his shitty economy is on the edge.

They don't need overwhelming force, but a solid defense may be enough.

They are stunned that Trump stabbed them in the back like this, so my assumption is that they've only been paying so much attention over the years. We've been seeing this the whole time. Now THEY have to deal with it. They may be ready to.

Here's hoping.
Agreed...

EU can put themselves in a nice position at the end of this...

Severely weakened Russia, Trump embarrassed US standing in the world...
NATO stronger, US will come back when Trump is gone...

The GOP rank and file know what keeps peace and how US wins using things like USAID... GOP have been big backers of USAID for Decades, they have used as a way of yield influence in regions...
 
Agreed...EU can put themselves in a nice position at the end of this...

Severely weakened Russia, Trump embarrassed US standing in the world...
NATO stronger, US will come back when Trump is gone...

The GOP rank and file know what keeps peace and how US wins using things like USAID... GOP have been big backers of USAID for Decades, they have used as a way of yield influence in regions...
1. If the EU increases military spending, as Trump recommends, they will be in a much stronger position.

2. Trump embarrassed no one, except maybe the deadbeat NATO countries not meeting their commitments.

3. The GOP knows what keeps the peace, the US military, duh. USAID was a slush fund full of "waste, fraud, and abuse", but now it is under State, so the US can leverage foreign aid for influence.
 
You see, without America in NATO Russia will
  • Step.one: nuclear attack against British and French nuclear bases, elimination of their last pair of SSBNs in the sea (if possible).
  • Step two: demand of unconditional surrender of the whole "European NATO". if refused,
  • Step three: surgical nuclear attacks against most important military targets and transport nodes. If Russian generous peace term not just refused, but survived SSBN retaliate,
  • Step four: virtually total nuclear annihilation of Europe.
You know all these countries have Nuclear Subs and in UK that is where nearly all of them are?

They have monitoring stations that can see warheads coming at them, Nuclear war is mutual destruction

Between UK and France they have 400 Active Nukes... How is Russia going to find them under the sea?

UK and France have about ten times needed to destroy Russia....

You really don't get Nuclear War...
 
1. If the EU increases military spending, as Trump recommends, they will be in a much stronger position.
Yep that would happen but it will be to defend Ukraine... If they are going to spend the money it will be for what they want.

Also, EU will set up there own Arm Industry, they will be keeping it in house.
2. Trump embarrassed no one, except maybe the deadbeat NATO countries not meeting their commitments.
Trump would take US from being the leader in the room to a bystander...
It would be temporary.
Petrodollar would be under severe pressure... This will cause havoc to US financial prestige and credit rating.
3. The GOP knows what keeps the peace, the US military, duh. USAID was a slush fund full of "waste, fraud, and abuse", but now it is under State, so the US can leverage foreign aid for influence.
Yet to show actual, real evidence of USAID waste and fraud...

What will cause waste and fraud is getting rid of the thousands who were monitoring how that money and goods were spent...

It took decades to get trusted partners and make sure the resources were going to the right places... Good Luck at building that back again, USAID was the leader of that in places like Africa..
 
The EU can’t do anything. They are dependent on Russia for energy, thanks to xiden lifting the pipeline sanctions
Get with the times...


They have cut off 94% of imports and are finishing the rest...

You haven't been paying attention
 
Get with the times...


They have cut off 94% of imports and are finishing the rest...

You haven't been paying attention
Haha geez it took til yesterday for Ukraine to do that? Not surprised now that xiden is out of office, they were able to get that done

Another win
 
Yep that would happen but it will be to defend Ukraine... If they are going to spend the money it will be for what they want.
Also, EU will set up there own Arm Industry, they will be keeping it in house.
It takes years to develop an in-house "military industrial complex", so just buy US stuff.
Trump would take US from being the leader in the room to a bystander... It would be temporary.
Petrodollar would be under severe pressure... This will cause havoc to US financial prestige and credit rating.
Cheap oil helps the US economy.
Yet to show actual, real evidence of USAID waste and fraud...
What will cause waste and fraud is getting rid of the thousands who were monitoring how that money and goods were spent...
It took decades to get trusted partners and make sure the resources were going to the right places... Good Luck at building that back again, USAID was the leader of that in places like Africa..

For decades, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) has been unaccountable to taxpayers as it funnels massive sums of money to the ridiculous — and, in many cases, malicious — pet projects of entrenched bureaucrats, with next-to-no oversight.

Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE:
 
Agreed...

EU can put themselves in a nice position at the end of this...

Severely weakened Russia, Trump embarrassed US standing in the world...
NATO stronger, US will come back when Trump is gone...

The GOP rank and file know what keeps peace and how US wins using things like USAID... GOP have been big backers of USAID for Decades, they have used as a way of yield influence in regions...
I don't know what it will take for America to regain its standing in the world, if ever, but it will definitely take at least two or three full presidential cycles that prove this isn't who we are.

I'm definitely not making any predictions about when, or if, that ever happens.
 
You know all these countries have Nuclear Subs and in UK that is where nearly all of them are?
Yes. And this is exactly why, in the case of the open war, our first counter-force strike (after which, may be, both France and England has one SSBN survived each, may be not) is much more safe than "uncontrollable escalation" during which France and England attack Russian cities first, without attempt to protect their own population and without giving the time to protect Russian population.
One SSBN's salvo won't be able to owerwhelm Moscow's ABD. Salvo of two SSBNs is a gambling, but if Moscow civilian defence is ready and population is partly evacuated - the losses and destructions will be definitely acceptable (may be even lesser than we already had in SMO). More of this, in the case of our surgical, almost without collateral damage, nuclear strike exclusive against few British and French military based, it will be much easier to coerce them into Russia-prefered, mutually acceptable peace.

But, from the other hand, if we ignore possible nuclear threat, and France and England are determined to commit mass-suicide, the coordinated salvo of six SSBNs, will be able to destroy not only Moscow, but even many other cities with terrible, but still acceptable losses (twenty million killed top).

So, if they start the war, we have the simple choice - if we attack them first, we might lose Smolensk and Voronezh (with thousands of victims), but not Moscow. If they attack first - we'll lost Moscow, Saint-Petersbourg and millions of victims.

They have monitoring stations that can see warheads coming at them, Nuclear war is mutual destruction
SSBN needs fifteen minutes for the preparation to launch and neither British, nor French submarines never launched all their missiles in one salvo, and they nether launched missiles from the piers.
And the Russian missiles are much faster than that, especially if we launch, say, Kinjal hypersonic missiles from Kaliningrad region or attack from the sea.
It won't be mutual destruction anyway. And it won't be necessarily destruction of England and France if they recall the stop-word "Unconditional surrender".


Between UK and France they have 400 Active Nukes... How is Russia going to find them under the sea?
Garmonia system, other ways.


UK and France have about ten times needed to destroy Russia....
No. First of all, even 400 nukes isn't enough to destroy Russia. Second - doesn't matter how many nukes they have in peace time. What is really matters is how many nukes will survive first Russian counter-force strike, how good is Russian ABD and civil-defence.

You really don't get Nuclear War...
Nuclear war (especially with English and French speaking adversaries) is kinda my military speciality.
 
Yes. Let's hope. But a bad peace is worse than a good fight. And I don't expect much from those conversations.


No. You think you know it. It is a part of your true religion, environmentalism. But the Russians are not Environmentalists, they don't believe in Nuclear Winter. They believe in The Victory.



I don't believe in souls, gods, demons, nuclear winters, global warmings and other BS. I believe in science. I believe in sober logic and proper calculations.


Of course no. Putin is an Orthodox Christian, and its strictly restricted in Orthodoxy to make prayers with infidels.


Nuclear radiation is no difference with other well known radiations. And its effects are well studied. It won't be a catastrophe even in pessimistic scenario.


Actually, we can make guesses. There is a little chance that there will be change in the lasting Ice Age, same little chance that there will be change in the another lasting warm Eemian interglacial, and large set of possibilities of little weather changes up to +3/-3 C degrees for relatively short time - like, say, few years. And no chances of something really catastrophic.


I can't predict American behaviour, of course, and I know that I can't predict it. (You can't predict Russian behaviour but you believe you can). But what I know about you culture and behaviour.... You are pragmatical. If we give you time (day or two) to think and calculate all consequences of your possible retaliation (that's mostly why we need "humanitarian pause" without nuking the cities) - you'll accept pretty generous terms of Russian peace.


It mostly depends on how many American SSBNs survive first Russian strike, how reliable are Trident II missiles, how good are their counter-ABD measures, and how good are Russian ABD. If there are two survived Ohio's in Atlantic and they choose to launch a retaliation counter-value strike (while it means certain destruction of the USA) may be, they'll destroy Moscow and/or few large cities. Terrible, but acceptable price.


You can try to calculate it in advance. Or read about it in good books.


Yes. Actually, Moscow has shelters for 100% of population. Like, say, stations of Moscow underground.

Not believing in God makes your education and your opinions null and void.
 
Not believing in God makes your education and your opinions null and void.
May be in some metaphysical way. But in the practical life, for practical purposes my education is good enough.
And even my Christian friends usually agree, that the lack of faith may be better than a wrong faith.
 
The EU can’t do anything. They are dependent on Russia for energy, thanks to xiden lifting the pipeline sanctions
Not only that, but Russia will never be on it's back while in possession of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. Ukraine is going to keep messing around and find out if not careful.

The situation is critical, so there needs to be a deal, but Zelinsky blew it because he wants to defeat Russia by agreeing to the deal with that as being a part of it, otherwise with the help of the United States joined in a deal along with it's NATO allies, he feels he could defeat Russia in that way, but Ukraine has always been a nightmare when it comes to walking the fine lines in respect to Russias borders and national security in the region.

The idea that a new idependent country (Ukraine) formed during the Soviet break up at the time (in which had allowed Ukraine to become an independent nation with certain rules or boundary lines set), would in it's future as a new formed independent country (eventually turn on Russia), and then begin entertaining the thought that the west would be more interesting, enticing, and influential to the point that it was thinking about joining NATO, and then possibly becoming a liability in the eyes of Russia on the Russian borderline is an amazing thing to see go on so far.

And now here we all are.
 

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