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Might makes right. Always has, aways will.
If you have ever thought otherwise, you're simply deluding yourself.
(Not that that's not obvious)
Sure it's completel legal to withdraw from treaties with the US. I believe there were some Southern states that legally, had every right to withdraw from the Union.
How'd that work out?
Gunny there is a difference. The US Government never dealt with the Confederacy as a legitimate government. They did the Lakota and other Native American nations. At no time did Lincoln acknowledge the Confederacy.
All a government ever does is use force.
There is no difference in regard to any of the states or any parts thereof trying to seceed from the Union. All of the land the Lakota are claiming has already been claimed by the US government and every time Native Americans have attempted uprising they have been put down.
As evidenced by the kook who supposedly renounced his citizenship and joined the Taliban, the US apparently does not recognize such. If Means and his crew push too hard they'll just find themselves on trial for sedition in Federal Court.
Kath took the words right out of my mouth. the Lakota never signed up for the Union. They are no more grandfathered into it than the pals were considered part of the british empire.
Kath took the words right out of my mouth. the Lakota never signed up for the Union. They are no more grandfathered into it than the pals were considered part of the british empire.
The TALABAN is NOT the Lakota, dude. The TALABAN doesn't hve 10k years of an ANCIENT CLAIM to North AM. The Lakota are NOT part of the Union. They are not bound to play by the same rules that allowed the North to deny the South's parting. Indeed, quite a conundrum, eh?
Now, with all that in mind, to what lengths are you willing to go in order to keep the Lakota from carving out a nation from the guts of 5 states? What will it take to make you recognize their right to a sovereign nation? Would you fathom military action AGAINST civilian Lakota in order to maintain your claim to this land? Is 10k years of historic record as viable as 5k years in the mid east?
As I pointed out, it doesn't matter WHAT they signed up for, and YOU know it. The US has claimed the land, and they'll keep it. Te Lakota didn't have to sign anything anyway.
We have this same argument in regard to Palestine. When you lose, you and your proerty are at the mercy of the victor. Until post WW II, that's just the way the world operated and no one's going to start giving anything back now. Carter's been out of office since 1980.
Just curious...does anyone have an actual understanding of American Indian law? I know that they are semi-autonomous and do NOT have the same relationship with the federal government as states do. They also have their own laws/police force/etc, etc. However, they do fall under federal law but AFAIK the states have no power over them, even when they reside in the territory of a state.
It's the same arguement. Even if it chaffes your loyalty to israel.
That "ancient claim" and $1.29 will get you a coffee at the convenience store. My point about the Taliban was merely concerning the dude that claimed he renounced his citizenship. Nothing more. I made no comparison between the Taliban and the Lakota.
You aren't listening. Yes, they ARE bound to play by the same rules as the South trying to leave. In 1860, NO law precluded any or all states from leaving a union they voluntarily joined as an "experiment." The US's use of force to keep the South in the Union was at that time unconstitutional.
You know as well as I do that if push comes to shove, the US will send troops in just as they've done in the past, and clean house.