Major Troop movements and Fleet maneuvers off East and West Coas of CONUS

[JimBowie1958]

And as for the difference between emergency declarations and martial law, one of them puts the US military in complete control, and one of them does not.

If Trump invkes the Insurrection Act because of widespread violence, some areas can be put under military control, but not all of them necessarily, and the military can be used to enforce the law but criminals are brought to civilian courts instead of military courts in areas with no martial law.

In other words the difference is fairly moot. Liberal deep blue cities would likely get martial law if the Insirection Act is invoked..

 

[WinterBorn]

And as for the difference between emergency declarations and martial law, one of them puts the US military in complete control, and one of them does not.

If Trump invkes the Insurrection Act because of widespread violence, some areas can be put under military control, but not all of them necessarily, and the military can be used to enforce the law but criminals are brought to civilian courts instead of military courts in areas with no martial law.

In other words the difference is fairly moot. Liberal deep blue cities would likely get martial law if the Insirection Act is invoked..

The point is moot? There have been numerous emergency declarations this year all around the nation. Were any of them martial law?

 

[Dr Grump]

And you are a reason why no one likes a stupid ass prog.

Well, only loony, neocon, whackadoodle, Deplorable, conspiracy theorist, anti-American losers like you don't like him. And who cares what you think anyway?

 

[L.K.Eder]

And as for the difference between emergency declarations and martial law, one of them puts the US military in complete control, and one of them does not.

If Trump invkes the Insurrection Act because of widespread violence, some areas can be put under military control, but not all of them necessarily, and the military can be used to enforce the law but criminals are brought to civilian courts instead of military courts in areas with no martial law.

In other words the difference is fairly moot. Liberal deep blue cities would likely get martial law if the Insirection Act is invoked..

That's all super interesting. please tell us how naval maneuvers and submarines are going to help in this regard. are they moving for hawaii, and key west?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the Constitution advocates FBI and CIA to overthrow the US government? Hmmmmm?

Have they? Have they tried?

Also, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the US Military inside the US, except in the case of insurrection or rebellion. I think you would have a hard time supporting either case.

When Joe XiBiden doesnt get his presidency because it will be proven that the progs attempted to steal the election of 2020, he Joe will call on his very close friends of China to come help him gain his power. Do you still think that the US military will sit idly by when China Joe gets mad?

If China attacks the US, the military will respond with all possible force. But, until China attacks, it is all speculation (and fantasy).

Do you know who Congressman Swalwell is?

Yes. And if the investigations show he worked with a chinese spy, he will be prosecuted. That is not an act of war.

Did you know that before Pearl Harbor was attacked that the Japanese first sent in 1 man subs to spy? Didnt you say you were in the army? The army of 1?

Yes, I am aware of the spy subs Japan sent. And no, I was not in the Army. I was in the Navy.

And no, sending a spy to sleep with a congressman is not a military attack. The US and the USSR did it for decades.

So gathering intel on your enemy is not a prelude to war?

 

[WinterBorn]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the Constitution advocates FBI and CIA to overthrow the US government? Hmmmmm?

Have they? Have they tried?

Also, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the US Military inside the US, except in the case of insurrection or rebellion. I think you would have a hard time supporting either case.

When Joe XiBiden doesnt get his presidency because it will be proven that the progs attempted to steal the election of 2020, he Joe will call on his very close friends of China to come help him gain his power. Do you still think that the US military will sit idly by when China Joe gets mad?

If China attacks the US, the military will respond with all possible force. But, until China attacks, it is all speculation (and fantasy).

Do you know who Congressman Swalwell is?

Yes. And if the investigations show he worked with a chinese spy, he will be prosecuted. That is not an act of war.

Did you know that before Pearl Harbor was attacked that the Japanese first sent in 1 man subs to spy? Didnt you say you were in the army? The army of 1?

Yes, I am aware of the spy subs Japan sent. And no, I was not in the Army. I was in the Navy.

And no, sending a spy to sleep with a congressman is not a military attack. The US and the USSR did it for decades.

So gathering intel on your enemy is not a prelude to war?

Gathering intel goes on all the time.

Do you think the massive mobilization described in the OP article is because some congressman slept with a spy? Really?

 

[WinterBorn]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the Constitution advocates FBI and CIA to overthrow the US government? Hmmmmm?

Have they? Have they tried?

Also, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the US Military inside the US, except in the case of insurrection or rebellion. I think you would have a hard time supporting either case.

When Joe XiBiden doesnt get his presidency because it will be proven that the progs attempted to steal the election of 2020, he Joe will call on his very close friends of China to come help him gain his power. Do you still think that the US military will sit idly by when China Joe gets mad?

If China attacks the US, the military will respond with all possible force. But, until China attacks, it is all speculation (and fantasy).

Do you know who Congressman Swalwell is?

Yes. And if the investigations show he worked with a chinese spy, he will be prosecuted. That is not an act of war.

Did you know that before Pearl Harbor was attacked that the Japanese first sent in 1 man subs to spy? Didnt you say you were in the army? The army of 1?

Yes, I am aware of the spy subs Japan sent. And no, I was not in the Army. I was in the Navy.

And no, sending a spy to sleep with a congressman is not a military attack. The US and the USSR did it for decades.

So gathering intel on your enemy is not a prelude to war?

Gathering intel goes on all the time.

Do you think the massive mobilization described in the OP article is because some congressman slept with a spy? Really?

Do you think the US Navy mobilized 3 carrier task forces because of a congressman getting laid?

 

[westwall]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the COTUS advocates using corrupt companies to steal elections?

 

[westwall]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the Constitution advocates FBI and CIA to overthrow the US government? Hmmmmm?

Have they? Have they tried?

Also, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the US Military inside the US, except in the case of insurrection or rebellion. I think you would have a hard time supporting either case.

Yes, provably so.

 

[WinterBorn]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the COTUS advocates using corrupt companies to steal elections?

None. And those responsible should be prosecuted. In a court of law. But it does not warrant mobilization of large naval forces.

 

[westwall]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the COTUS advocates using corrupt companies to steal elections?

None. And those responsible should be prosecuted. In a court of law. But it does not warrant mobilization of large naval forces.

The problem with that is it is also provable that the DOJ is infected top to bottom by corrupt people. There is a video of a Chinese government official bragging about now that Trump is gone they can go back to business as usual because they "have friends at the top level of the US government". That sounds an awful lot like the people he's taliking about are treasonous.

This election isn't about Trump. Not any longer. This election is about whether we have a country any more.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the COTUS advocates using corrupt companies to steal elections?

None. And those responsible should be prosecuted. In a court of law. But it does not warrant mobilization of large naval forces.

The problem with that is it is also provable that the DOJ is infected top to bottom by corrupt people. There is a video of a Chinese government official bragging about now that Trump is gone they can go back to business as usual because they "have friends at the top level of the US government". That sounds an awful lot like the people he's taliking about are treasonous.

This election isn't about Trump. Not any longer. This election is about whether we have a country any more.

omg. what a drama queen. lol

 

[Dr Grump]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the Constitution advocates FBI and CIA to overthrow the US government? Hmmmmm?

Have they? Have they tried?

Also, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the US Military inside the US, except in the case of insurrection or rebellion. I think you would have a hard time supporting either case.

When Joe XiBiden doesnt get his presidency because it will be proven that the progs attempted to steal the election of 2020, he Joe will call on his very close friends of China to come help him gain his power. Do you still think that the US military will sit idly by when China Joe gets mad?

If China attacks the US, the military will respond with all possible force. But, until China attacks, it is all speculation (and fantasy).

Do you know who Congressman Swalwell is?

Yes. And if the investigations show he worked with a chinese spy, he will be prosecuted. That is not an act of war.

Did you know that before Pearl Harbor was attacked that the Japanese first sent in 1 man subs to spy? Didnt you say you were in the army? The army of 1?

Yes, I am aware of the spy subs Japan sent. And no, I was not in the Army. I was in the Navy.

And no, sending a spy to sleep with a congressman is not a military attack. The US and the USSR did it for decades.

So gathering intel on your enemy is not a prelude to war?

Gathering intel goes on all the time.

Do you think the massive mobilization described in the OP article is because some congressman slept with a spy? Really?

You did see my post earlier today on this thread about who wrote the link in the OP?

Harold Charles "Hal" Turner is an American far-right political commentator and convicted felon from North Bergen, New Jersey. Turner's viewpoints typically encompass Holocaust denial, conspiracy theory, white supremacy, and have included calls for assassination of government officials.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Hmm, wonder what is coming down?

OMINOUS: U.S. POSITIONING NAVAL VESSELS OFF EAST & WEST COASTS; MASSIVE TROOP MOVEMENTS IN CONUS

Over the past four days, there have been MASSIVE movements of troops, equipment and supplies WITHIN the continental United States (CONUS). Today...

halturnerradioshow.com

Given these new naval deployments, and the very large, sudden, movement of troops into Nellis AFB, one gets the impression that the United States is preparing to defend its homeland from actual invasion.​

​

Hint: That may actually be the case.​

​

Word in Intelligence circles says that if the Supreme Court voids any or all of the November 3 election due to the massive fraud and violations of the US Constitution with changes to election laws, the lawless extension of voting for weeks, in violation of 3 USC 1 & 2, the Democrats are planning on asking the United Nations to INVADE to depose Trump as a "Dictator." There is also word within Intelligence circles that the states of California, Oregon, and Washington, plus New York, might actually try to secede from the Union if Trump gets four more years, and may need to be forcibly brought back under US control, the same way renegade southern states were handled back in the 1860's Civil War." ​

We’re going to destroy all the communists in America. We swore an oath to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies.

And what part of the US Constitution advocates using the military to overthrow the gov't?

I remember all the hand-wringing about Jade Helm too.

What part of the Constitution advocates FBI and CIA to overthrow the US government? Hmmmmm?

Have they? Have they tried?

Also, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the US Military inside the US, except in the case of insurrection or rebellion. I think you would have a hard time supporting either case.

When Joe XiBiden doesnt get his presidency because it will be proven that the progs attempted to steal the election of 2020, he Joe will call on his very close friends of China to come help him gain his power. Do you still think that the US military will sit idly by when China Joe gets mad?

If China attacks the US, the military will respond with all possible force. But, until China attacks, it is all speculation (and fantasy).

Do you know who Congressman Swalwell is?

Yes. And if the investigations show he worked with a chinese spy, he will be prosecuted. That is not an act of war.

Did you know that before Pearl Harbor was attacked that the Japanese first sent in 1 man subs to spy? Didnt you say you were in the army? The army of 1?

Yes, I am aware of the spy subs Japan sent. And no, I was not in the Army. I was in the Navy.

And no, sending a spy to sleep with a congressman is not a military attack. The US and the USSR did it for decades.

So gathering intel on your enemy is not a prelude to war?

Gathering intel goes on all the time.

Do you think the massive mobilization described in the OP article is because some congressman slept with a spy? Really?

Do you think the US Navy mobilized 3 carrier task forces because of a congressman getting laid?

Well, it is Smallwell, the same guy who kept accusing President Trump of colluding with Russia, while he the prog Democrat was colluding with China....

 

[JimBowie1958]

The point is moot? There have been numerous emergency declarations this year all around the nation. Were any of them martial law?

No, they have not, but the emergency decrees are the equivalent to martial law in terms of the loss of civil rights and the dictatorial powers given to the governors in these circumstances.

 

[WinterBorn]

The point is moot? There have been numerous emergency declarations this year all around the nation. Were any of them martial law?

No, they have not, but the emergency decrees are the equivalent to martial law in terms of the loss of civil rights and the dictatorial powers given to the governors in these circumstances.

But they are not martial law. And have nothing to do with mobilizing ships and aircraft.

 

[JimBowie1958]

None. And those responsible should be prosecuted. In a court of law. But it does not warrant mobilization of large naval forces.

Which is WHY I am speculating what it is about. Why are the naval maneuvers being held now, simultaneously off BOTH coasts?

I think this is more than a mere exercise, but what? 'Elephino..

 

[JimBowie1958]

The problem with that is it is also provable that the DOJ is infected top to bottom by corrupt people. There is a video of a Chinese government official bragging about now that Trump is gone they can go back to business as usual because they "have friends at the top level of the US government". That sounds an awful lot like the people he's taliking about are treasonous.
This election isn't about Trump. Not any longer. This election is about whether we have a country any more.

Which is why many smell the powder already burnin.

 

[JustAGuy1]

You may not like it but Canada is in on this crap.

SECRET MILITARY DOCUMENTS: Trudeau invited Chinese troops to train at Canadian military bases

Read the secret "China Files" now!

www.rebelnews.com

 

[westwall]

The point is moot? There have been numerous emergency declarations this year all around the nation. Were any of them martial law?

No, they have not, but the emergency decrees are the equivalent to martial law in terms of the loss of civil rights and the dictatorial powers given to the governors in these circumstances.

But they are not martial law. And have nothing to do with mobilizing ships and aircraft.

Correct, but they do mobilize other arms of government who do indeed use force to impose unconstitutional decree's