McCain is the Greatest Flip Flopper of all time

[editec]

The charge that this politican or that one (of either party) is a "flip-flopper" while satisfying to the charger, isn't one that really makes much sense.

Who does NOT want leaders willing to change their opinions when cicumstances warrant that if they don't change them, disaster ensues?

McCain HAS changed his opinions on things to be sure.

While I don't agree with his changes, while I think he reasons for making these changes are political and not practical, attacking him (OR OBAMA) for such changes really demands that we understand why they say they have changed.

The devil is in the DETAILS, folks.

 

[nomdeplume]

The charge that this politican or that one (of either party) is a "flip-flopper" while satisfying to the charger, isn't one that really makes much sense.

Who does NOT want leaders willing to change their opinions when cicumstances warrant that if they don't change them, disaster ensues?

McCain HAS changed his opinions on things to be sure.

While I don't agree with his changes, while I think he reasons for making these changes are political and not practical, attacking him (OR OBAMA) for such changes really demands that we understand why they say they have changed.

The devil is in the DETAILS, folks.

For someone making a life in politics, in partituclar running for the highest office in the country, I would argue that "political changes" are "practical changes". Obama's flipflopping has gone beyong the pale of just a little politcal expendiency, however. He has become a pathological liar. First he wants to end the embargo on his communist pals in Cuba, then he wants to keep them as soon as he is talking to a sea of Cuban faces that know full well what a piece of shit Castro is. "Iran is not a significant threat", the day later "Iran is a grave threat and I've been saying so for years". "I never heard anything controversial in my church", and then a day later he says he did "hear some controverial things occassionally".

These changes are not a result of years of thought on them or a changing situation, they are the pathetic flailings of a complete fraud and a pathological liar.

 

[Nate Peele]

Other than these very few flip flops I can't see anything McCain has ever changed on:

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/mccains-offsho...
* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15781.htm... * McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15863.htm... * McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/10/mccain-flips-o...
* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15825.htm... * He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion,he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15864.htm... * McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/now-mccain-is-flip-f...
* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/28/mccains-abo... /
* McCain supported moving “toward normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15617.htm... * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15557.htm... * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15564.htm...
* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/mccains-97-lob...
* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15633.htm... * McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15699.htm... *McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a“‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded.Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14761.htm... * McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mccain-...
* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14818.htm... *In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15033.htm... * McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15337.htm... * McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15370.htm... * McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15358.htm... * McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.
Think Progress McCain Tries To Run From Bush, One Day After Declaring ‘Great Progress Economically’ During Bush’s Tenure... /
* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.Think Progress McCain Falsely Claims He Has ‘Never Asked For A Single Earmark Or Pork Barrel Project’ For His State /

*McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting“irresponsibly.”His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15176.htm... * McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16mccain.... * In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/10/emtimeem-has-m...
* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-... /
* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-... /
* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14447.htm... *In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving“feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9658.html * McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral... *McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as“a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.”In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
Think Progress McCain: ‘I Was The Greatest Critic’ Of The Iraq War Over The Last Four Years... /
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade Media Matters - Despite McCain's many hedges, Borger asserted that "[n]o one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything" to saying the exact opposite.Think Progress McCain Flip-Flops, Supports Immediate Reversal of Roe v. Wade /
* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mcc... * McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6988.html * McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6731.html * On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/us/politics/03mccain.... *In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
ABC News: Gearing Up for '08? McCain Befriends Old Enemies
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.The New York Sun... /
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070115/pl_usnw/dnc__mcca... * McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8313.html * McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
MTP Transcript for Nov. 12 - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com /
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.Media Matters - Despite McCain's many hedges, Borger asserted that "[n]o one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything" * McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
Think Progress In Shift To Right, McCain Embraces Henry Kissinger /
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and acorrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.Think Progress In Shift To Right, McCain Embraces Henry Kissinger /
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20... * McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8066.html




* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

 

[jreeves]

Other than these very few flip flops I can't see anything McCain has ever changed on:

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/mccains-offsho...
* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15781.htm... * McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15863.htm... * McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/10/mccain-flips-o...
* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15825.htm... * He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion,he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15864.htm... * McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/now-mccain-is-flip-f...
* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/28/mccains-abo... /
* McCain supported moving “toward normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15617.htm... * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15557.htm... * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15564.htm...
* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/mccains-97-lob...
* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15633.htm... * McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15699.htm... *McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a“‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded.Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14761.htm... * McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mccain-...
* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14818.htm... *In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15033.htm... * McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15337.htm... * McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15370.htm... * McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15358.htm... * McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.
Think Progress McCain Tries To Run From Bush, One Day After Declaring ‘Great Progress Economically’ During Bush’s Tenure... /
* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.Think Progress McCain Falsely Claims He Has ‘Never Asked For A Single Earmark Or Pork Barrel Project’ For His State /

*McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting“irresponsibly.”His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15176.htm... * McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16mccain.... * In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/10/emtimeem-has-m...
* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-... /
* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-... /
* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14447.htm... *In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving“feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9658.html * McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral... *McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as“a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.”In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
Think Progress McCain: ‘I Was The Greatest Critic’ Of The Iraq War Over The Last Four Years... /
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade Media Matters - Despite McCain's many hedges, Borger asserted that "[n]o one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything" to saying the exact opposite.Think Progress McCain Flip-Flops, Supports Immediate Reversal of Roe v. Wade /
* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mcc... * McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6988.html * McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6731.html * On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/us/politics/03mccain.... *In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
ABC News: Gearing Up for '08? McCain Befriends Old Enemies
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.The New York Sun... /
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070115/pl_usnw/dnc__mcca... * McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8313.html * McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
MTP Transcript for Nov. 12 - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com /
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.Media Matters - Despite McCain's many hedges, Borger asserted that "[n]o one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything" * McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
Think Progress In Shift To Right, McCain Embraces Henry Kissinger /
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and acorrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.Think Progress In Shift To Right, McCain Embraces Henry Kissinger /
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20... * McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8066.html




* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

Over 30 years in public office a senator is going to change his positions, times change. But to change your positions as many times as Obama has in one election cycle is akin to Kerry. Besides Obama not only flip flops he flat out lies, promising public financing then backing out of public financing.

 

[midcan5]

The arguments here that McCain is not a flip flopper tax the imagination, they demonstrate if one is a partisan hack and is shown proof, their opinion still does not change proving that reason has nothing to do with wingnuts.

 

[jreeves]

The arguments here that McCain is not a flip flopper tax the imagination, they demonstrate if one is a partisan hack and is shown proof, their opinion still does not change proving that reason has nothing to do with wingnuts.

He has changed his positions over time which in itself isn't flip flopping. Obama saying I will accept public funding then completely backing out is not only flip flopping but is a complete lie.

 

[Jeepers]

He has changed his positions over time which in itself isn't flip flopping. Obama saying I will accept public funding then completely backing out is not only flip flopping but is a complete lie.

He had some qualifiers in his initial statement which gives him wiggle room.. now by your own accord you must apply the same argument to McCain and public financing for the primary... If McCain couldnt stick to public financing when the law told him he must.. how can we be sure that he would stick to his word in the general election...

 

[jreeves]

He had some qualifiers in his initial statement which gives him wiggle room.. now by your own accord you must apply the same argument to McCain and public financing for the primary... If McCain couldnt stick to public financing when the law told him he must.. how can we be sure that he would stick to his word in the general election...

The law never told him he must stick to public financing....Mccain chose to stick to public financing in the general election.

Obama stated that he always had supported public financing and that he would definitely be taking public funding. Until it became politically advantageous for him to deny public funding. Then he had no problem lying about public financing.

 

[sealybobo]

g. d. the rich and ignorant American voters that are so selfish or stupid. see, I don't know how to come at you because I would come at you differently if you had a million in the bank. but chances are you are broke just too proud to admit you've been conned. see, they got you arguing wedge issues, and look at mccain. able and willing to flip to the neo cons side of every argument so he doesn't loose your dumb ass vote.

they conned the idiot in 2000 and again in 2004. now all mccain has to hope for is racist america to raly him to victory. if it weren't for ignorance in w. virginia.....

that's all I ned to know. i'm on the opoosite side of w. virginia so I know i'm right. litmus test beeach.

 

[Chris]

Over 30 years in public office a senator is going to change his positions, times change. But to change your positions as many times as Obama has in one election cycle is akin to Kerry. Besides Obama not only flip flops he flat out lies, promising public financing then backing out of public financing.

In three sentences you just flipfloped on the idea of flipflopping.

 

[busara]

No bias. I just know the facts, unlike you, surrounding most of those things, and almost none of them qualify as a flipflop. IMO, a flipflop requires a change of opinion on something where the applicable environment regarding the opion has not changed since the first opinion was formed. Similarily, I don't consider Obama a flipflopper on his recent backing off of getting us immediately out of Iraq because the surge is working quite well and he'd be a fool to do it.

according to your definition any reversal would not be a flip flop, because the environment is constantly changing, be it big or small. get off your high horse for once and try to realize that you dont know everything. course i know you wont. your act is getting quite tired.

 

[jreeves]

g. d. the rich and ignorant American voters that are so selfish or stupid. see, I don't know how to come at you because I would come at you differently if you had a million in the bank. but chances are you are broke just too proud to admit you've been conned. see, they got you arguing wedge issues, and look at mccain. able and willing to flip to the neo cons side of every argument so he doesn't loose your dumb ass vote.

they conned the idiot in 2000 and again in 2004. now all mccain has to hope for is racist america to raly him to victory. if it weren't for ignorance in w. virginia.....

that's all I ned to know. i'm on the opoosite side of w. virginia so I know i'm right. litmus test beeach.

All you have to do is grab a dictionary and a 9th grade grammar book to find out who is truly ignorant. I agree MCcain has changed positions over 30 years. Obama has flip flopped on about every major issue just in this election cycle.

 

[Gunny]

g. d. the rich and ignorant American voters that are so selfish or stupid. see, I don't know how to come at you because I would come at you differently if you had a million in the bank. but chances are you are broke just too proud to admit you've been conned. see, they got you arguing wedge issues, and look at mccain. able and willing to flip to the neo cons side of every argument so he doesn't loose your dumb ass vote.

they conned the idiot in 2000 and again in 2004. now all mccain has to hope for is racist america to raly him to victory. if it weren't for ignorance in w. virginia.....

that's all I ned to know. i'm on the opoosite side of w. virginia so I know i'm right. litmus test beeach.

Y'know ... first I look at your post. Then I take particular note that somewhere in that incoherent drivel of a post you actually have the temerity to call ANYONE ELSE an idiot.

 

[Jeepers]

The law never told him he must stick to public financing....Mccain chose to stick to public financing in the general election.

Obama stated that he always had supported public financing and that he would definitely be taking public funding. Until it became politically advantageous for him to deny public funding. Then he had no problem lying about public financing.

Youre forgetting Obamas quotes on 527s.. Now on McCains bailing on public funds during the primary after securing a bank loan based on public funding youre dead wrong... there is actually a court case pending dumbass..

 

[jreeves]

Youre forgetting Obamas quotes on 527s.. Now on McCains bailing on public funds during the primary after securing a bank loan based on public funding youre dead wrong... there is actually a court case pending dumbass..

What Obama quotes about 527's are you referring to?

Is this the suit you are referring to?

The Republican National Committee dismissed the DNC's claims Tuesday, saying "the same frivolous lawsuit was thrown out of court over a month ago."

"The law states that a candidate must actually receive public funds to be subject to the primary campaign spending limit. The McCain campaign never received any primary matching funds, and the campaign's lending bank has made clear that no entitlements to public funds were used as collateral to secure any loan," RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross said in a statement.
Washington Times - Senate confirms five new nominees to FEC

 

[Jeepers]

What Obama quotes about 527's are you referring to?

Is this the suit you are referring to?

The Republican National Committee dismissed the DNC's claims Tuesday, saying "the same frivolous lawsuit was thrown out of court over a month ago."

"The law states that a candidate must actually receive public funds to be subject to the primary campaign spending limit. The McCain campaign never received any primary matching funds, and the campaign's lending bank has made clear that no entitlements to public funds were used as collateral to secure any loan," RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross said in a statement.
Washington Times - Senate confirms five new nominees to FEC

Yeah.. I guess the loan was based on Macs wonderfull smile right...

Hmmm..

"...In order to receive matching funds, John McCain signed a binding agreement with the FEC to accept spending limits and to abide by the conditions of receiving those funds. The FEC requires that any request to withdraw from the agreement must be granted by the FEC. FEC Chairman David Mason made this clear in a letter to McCain advising him that the law requires the FEC to approve his request to withdraw from his contract - a move McCain ignored...
According to past Commission rulings, the McCain campaign would not be allowed to withdraw from matching funds because it already violated a key condition for being let out of the program - pledging matching funds as collateral for a private loan..."

 

[jreeves]

Yeah.. I guess the loan was based on Macs wonderfull smile right...

Hmmm..

"...In order to receive matching funds, John McCain signed a binding agreement with the FEC to accept spending limits and to abide by the conditions of receiving those funds. The FEC requires that any request to withdraw from the agreement must be granted by the FEC. FEC Chairman David Mason made this clear in a letter to McCain advising him that the law requires the FEC to approve his request to withdraw from his contract - a move McCain ignored...
According to past Commission rulings, the McCain campaign would not be allowed to withdraw from matching funds because it already violated a key condition for being let out of the program - pledging matching funds as collateral for a private loan..."

Have you read the actual contract? It explicitly states that public funds were not to be used as collateral. But somehow the DNC thinks it does mean it is collateral.....

 

[jreeves]

obama will fight the might deep pockets of the gop with $25 donations. he doesn't want to even the playing field when 527's are at work. I don't know all the details, but he isn't letting mccain dictate the rules.

are you guys gonna bitch abut obama like you did clinton? he rocked and you nay sayed the entire time.

gw had the world eating out of his hands after 9 11 abd he squandered a great opportunity for corporate greed. I know you know what i'm talking about.

Prime example of Obama fighting the deep pockets of the gop with $25 donations.

Obama Visits Billionaires Row

In the Haight, stencils of Barack Obama's smiling face are decorating the sidewalk. But in real life, he is turning up in more lucrative venues: The candidate will be around here on April 6, at a series of events that includes three $2,300-a-head maximum-strength fundraisers: Sara and Sohaib Abbasi are throwing a luncheon in Atherton; he'll zip up to Nancy and Bob Farese's house in Kentfield in mid-afternoon; and proceed from there to Ann and Gordon Getty's in San Francisco.

 

[sealybobo]

What Obama quotes about 527's are you referring to?

Is this the suit you are referring to?

The Republican National Committee dismissed the DNC's claims Tuesday, saying "the same frivolous lawsuit was thrown out of court over a month ago."

"The law states that a candidate must actually receive public funds to be subject to the primary campaign spending limit. The McCain campaign never received any primary matching funds, and the campaign's lending bank has made clear that no entitlements to public funds were used as collateral to secure any loan," RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross said in a statement.
Washington Times - Senate confirms five new nominees to FEC

yea, that's what the gop says. and when a bush federal apptee rules, that'll be his decision too. but mccain got a loan and used pub. fin. as collateral. that's illegal when you never had public financing. he should be forced to take it. lol

maybe their emails got deleted and I bet they don't recall.....

you believe liars. you must think they still represent your best interests. how do you think you benefit?

 

[jreeves]

yea, that's what the gop says. and when a bush federal apptee rules, that'll be his decision too. but mccain got a loan and used pub. fin. as collateral. that's illegal when you never had public financing. he should be forced to take it. lol

maybe their emails got deleted and I bet they don't recall.....

you believe liars. you must think they still represent your best interests. how do you think you benefit?

No, I don't believe anyone, I read the loan application myself. It says without stuttering that public financing isn't to be used as collateral.