Nazis Are Not Socialists

[PurpleOwl]

Socialism ALWAYS "progresses" to FASCISM------think pol pot, think
stalin, think adolf, think BAATHISM

then why do fascists hate socialism more than anything?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

I can call myself a tree, doesn't make me one, China was called the Peoples Democratic Republic, it wasn't democratic or a republic. Nazism was socialist until Hitler got a hold of it, which is one of the reasons Hitler had to do away with Rohm and the other SA leaders, they started demanding Hitler begin instituting the socialist aspects of Nazism.

Aw come on, lemme poke at them!

I never have any fun ...

 

[LaDexter]

then why do fascists hate socialism more than anything?

They don't hate socialists, since they are socialists.

Socialists and fascists both hate libertarians.

Fascists and socialists are 180 degrees from libertarians.

 

[PurpleOwl]

then why do fascists hate socialism more than anything?

They don't hate socialists, since they are socialists.

Socialists and fascists both hate libertarians.

Fascists and socialists are 180 degrees from libertarians.

the only thing libertarians hate about fascists is the stuff they make up about them so they can pretend they were socialist

 

[LaDexter]

PurpleOwl defines "fascist" as "not voting for Hillary."

PurpleOwl is a perfect example of a SUB HUMAN who does nothing but PARROT left wing lies and doesn't even understand the words he posts...

 

[Preacher]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

They are NATIONALIST socialists not INTERNATIONALIST socialists aka communists. Nothing wrong with NATIONALIST socialism.

 

[Ringel05]

stop replying to my posts

Stop replying to mine or grow up, either will work.

stupid nazi troll

Pathetic, truly pathetic...... But hysterical funny to watch your meltdown.......

im not having a meltdown? you appear to be having a schizophrenic break from reality though

I see you majored in projection.

 

[PurpleOwl]

stop replying to my posts

Stop replying to mine or grow up, either will work.

stupid nazi troll

Pathetic, truly pathetic...... But hysterical funny to watch your meltdown.......

im not having a meltdown? you appear to be having a schizophrenic break from reality though

I see you majored in projection.

I see you still have no argument

 

[PurpleOwl]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

They are NATIONALIST socialists not INTERNATIONALIST socialists aka communists. Nothing wrong with NATIONALIST socialism.

except that's its' not socialism, and not all that nationalist either

 

[Preacher]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

I can call myself a tree, doesn't make me one, China was called the Peoples Democratic Republic, it wasn't democratic or a republic. Nazism was socialist until Hitler got a hold of it, which is one of the reasons Hitler had to do away with Rohm and the other SA leaders, they started demanding Hitler begin instituting the socialist aspects of Nazism.

nazism was never socialist, hitler called fascism national socialism to basically troll the left and recruit poor confused idiots into joining them.... the same way fascists call themselves libertarians today

Actually the "socialist" term was already in the name of the party when Hitler joined it in 1920. It was trendy and marketable at the time. Hitler objected to the concept but went along with the name, being at least astute about "what would sell".

Of course once Hitlerism got underway only the name remained, and the local (real) socialists and communists became the first prisoners at Dachau.

Guess who said these:

"National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order."

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over."

The Great One Adolf Hitler.

 

[LaDexter]

Explain in great detail how National Socialism "is not socialism."


Every time big government socialism fucks up, and it does nothing but, the die hard left wing liar will claim those in charge fucked up and socialism really works... just with them at the top...

 

[2aguy]

Yes....the nazis were socialists....

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.
Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners.

Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.)
Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.

In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace.Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

 

[PurpleOwl]

Explain in great detail how National Socialism "is not socialism."


Every time big government socialism fucks up, and it does nothing but, the die hard left wing liar will claim those in charge fucked up and socialism really works... just with them at the top...

its fascism... otherwise known as corporatism, hitler talked about the evils of socialism all the time the same way republicans do today

 

[whitehall]

I guess they didn't smash windows or set fire to cars like the real democrat socialists did when they were disappointed about the election, or we would have heard about it. I wonder if they left drug paraphernalia and filth and a string of sexually abused women like the OWS rabble did in that park in NYC

 

[Pogo]

Socialism ALWAYS "progresses" to FASCISM------think pol pot, think
stalin, think adolf, think BAATHISM

Ain't that simple, Sweets. Naziism was a head-on collision of an ideal of economic socialism with the much more powerful nationalist Volkisch movement -- and when it saw Mussolini's fascism style it creamed its collective jeans in envy of the power play and sought to imitate it.

But as for the party:

>> From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the Communist Party of Germany (KPD). Members of the DAP saw themselves as fighting against "Bolshevism" and anyone considered a part of or aiding so-called "international Jewry" <<
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*DAP = "German Worker's Party", the adjective "socialist" having shuffled into and out of the name. The socialists -- which the DAP/NSDAP opposed, were represented by the Social Democratic Party. When they re-adopted the "socialist" term they did so merely because it would sell when they needed to sell popular support. In the same way North Korea tries to "sell" itself as the "People's Democratic Republic of Korea". That's the only reason the word is even in there.

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Meanwhile... back at the same link....

>> Hitler was formally elected party chairman on 28 July 1921, with only one opposing vote. The committee was dissolved, and Hitler was granted nearly absolute powers as the party's sole leader.[61] This was a post he would hold for the remainder of his life. Hitler soon acquired the title Führer ("leader") and, after a series of sharp internal conflicts, it was accepted that the party would be governed by the Führerprinzip ("leader principle"). Under this principle, the party was a highly centralized entity that functioned strictly from the top down, with Hitler at the apex as the party's absolute leader. Hitler at this time saw the party as a revolutionary organization, whose aim was the overthrow of the Weimar Republic, which he saw as controlled by the socialists, Jews and the "November criminals" who had betrayed the German soldiers in 1918. The SA ("storm troopers", also known as "Brownshirts") were founded as a party militia in 1921, and began violent attacks on other parties. <<
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----- and those 'other parties' that the brownshits were violently attacking for the NSDAP? Yup, that same socialist Social Democratic Party and the Communists.

And by the way as far as the concept of 'naming something is different from being something' --- Hitler called this paramilitary group of storm troopers the "Gymnastics and Sports Division" of the party. So for those who insist on slavishly following whatever names an entity calls itself --- good luck looking up athletic stats.

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So no, socialism doesn't 'lead to' fascism. The latter opposed the former. Violently.

And again, the first political prisoner concentration camp ---- Dachau, beginning in 1933 ---- became the destination point FOR these Social Democrats (socialists) Communists and labor unions.

 

[PurpleOwl]

Yes....the nazis were socialists....

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.
Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners.

Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.)
Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.

In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace.Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

from a libertarian source lol the only reason you call hitler a socialist is because he's unpopular right now

 

[Ringel05]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

I can call myself a tree, doesn't make me one, China was called the Peoples Democratic Republic, it wasn't democratic or a republic. Nazism was socialist until Hitler got a hold of it, which is one of the reasons Hitler had to do away with Rohm and the other SA leaders, they started demanding Hitler begin instituting the socialist aspects of Nazism.

nazism was never socialist, hitler called fascism national socialism to basically troll the left and recruit poor confused idiots into joining them.... the same way fascists call themselves libertarians today

Actually the "socialist" term was already in the name of the party when Hitler joined it in 1920. It was trendy and marketable at the time. Hitler objected to the concept but went along with the name, being at least astute about "what would sell".

Of course once Hitlerism got underway only the name remained, and the local (real) socialists and communists became the first prisoners at Dachau.

Guess who said these:

"National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order."

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over."

The Great One Adolf Hitler.

Wipe, the drool off your chin and have the nurse change your Attends.........

 

[PurpleOwl]

I guess they didn't smash windows or set fire to cars like the real democrat socialists did when they were disappointed about the election, or we would have heard about it. I wonder if they left drug paraphernalia and filth and a string of sexually abused women like the OWS rabble did in that park in NYC

drugs and sex outside marriage were banned under the nazis

 

[2aguy]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

I can call myself a tree, doesn't make me one, China was called the Peoples Democratic Republic, it wasn't democratic or a republic. Nazism was socialist until Hitler got a hold of it, which is one of the reasons Hitler had to do away with Rohm and the other SA leaders, they started demanding Hitler begin instituting the socialist aspects of Nazism.

nazism was never socialist, hitler called fascism national socialism to basically troll the left and recruit poor confused idiots into joining them.... the same way fascists call themselves libertarians today

Nazism before Hitler came to power was a form of socialistic fascism, Hitler changed all of that. To call Libertarians fascist is nothing more than sociopolitical rhetoric espoused by clueless partisan hacks just as inane as the far right calling liberals socialists or Commies.

there was no nazism before hitler what the hell are you talking about? and if you dont think libertarians are fascist under a new name its probably because you are one

No...libertarians are not nazis....national socialists...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

Hoover Institution, F. A. Hayek Papers, Box/Folder 105 : 10.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience.

But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy.

What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas.

But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

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The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists.

But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

 

[LaDexter]

its fascism... otherwise known as corporatism,

Like I posted earlier, this sub human doesn't understand the words he uses, and just parrots easily discredited left wing lies....


"fascism is corporatism." - the sub human left signature idiocy...