New Solar Plant Emits Twice CO2 Than Fossil Plant

[Weatherman2020]

Only $1.6 billion.

SOLAR POWER: Desert plant has pollution problem

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Only $1.6 billion.

SOLAR POWER: Desert plant has pollution problem

Put Volkswagon on it, they'll fix it.

 

[Davros]

This technology seems flawed to me.

Concentrate mirrors towards three towers heating water to 800 degrees generating steam? What could go wrong?

Seems to me if you heat it up that much you're losing a lot of energy to simple heat transfer as super heated steam escapes the plant, hot enough to incinerate birds that haplessly fly by.

Bad design, bad science, bad engineering.

Yes, humans can be pretty damn dumb even if they're being clever.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This technology seems flawed to me.

Concentrate mirrors towards three towers heating water to 800 degrees generating steam? What could go wrong?

Seems to me if you heat it up that much you're losing a lot of energy to simple heat transfer as super heated steam escapes the plant, hot enough to incinerate birds that haplessly fly by.

Bad design, bad science, bad engineering.

Yes, humans can be pretty damn dumb even if they're being clever.

Obama says it's the gold standard all power plants should be modeled after.

 

[Davros]

This technology seems flawed to me.

Concentrate mirrors towards three towers heating water to 800 degrees generating steam? What could go wrong?

Seems to me if you heat it up that much you're losing a lot of energy to simple heat transfer as super heated steam escapes the plant, hot enough to incinerate birds that haplessly fly by.

Bad design, bad science, bad engineering.

Yes, humans can be pretty damn dumb even if they're being clever.

Obama says it's the gold standard all power plants should be modeled after.

Obama ought to stick to what he's good at, which is certainly not engineering.

 

[mamooth]

Guys? Closed loop. No coolant escapes.

And there's nothing there or anywhere about "twice as much CO2 as a fossil plant." What it did say was

"That’s nearly twice the pollution threshold for power plants or factories in California to be required to participate in the state’s cap-and-trade program to reduce carbon emissions."

which is a completely different thing.

 

[Old Rocks]

Typical 'Conservative' flapyap and lies. Ivanpah is not a great success, but it is producing electricity with less GHGs than other plants.

 

[Old Rocks]

This technology seems flawed to me.

Concentrate mirrors towards three towers heating water to 800 degrees generating steam? What could go wrong?

Seems to me if you heat it up that much you're losing a lot of energy to simple heat transfer as super heated steam escapes the plant, hot enough to incinerate birds that haplessly fly by.

Bad design, bad science, bad engineering.

Yes, humans can be pretty damn dumb even if they're being clever.

Obama says it's the gold standard all power plants should be modeled after.

No, silly ass, once again you are lying. Our President did not state that. But we do have to be looking at all the technological fixes for generating electricity.

 

[skookerasbil]

How ghey?

Doesn't matter to the AGW k00ks.........gotta keep the established narrative alive no mater what!!

Really though, its irrelevant.......solar is still a joke and handles only 0.6% of our electric output!! Even 30 years from now will still be well less than 10%!!

Be happy to post up the Obama administration Energy Information Agency projection by request!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Guys? Closed loop. No coolant escapes.

And there's nothing there or anywhere about "twice as much CO2 as a fossil plant." What it did say was

"That’s nearly twice the pollution threshold for power plants or factories in California to be required to participate in the state’s cap-and-trade program to reduce carbon emissions."

which is a completely different thing.

That's because the solar thermal feature of the plant is producing much less output than anticipated. And the plant was designed for dual use in heating water. ( a fact many here DENIED when it was originally pointed out to them). Less solar -- more nat gas to get the promised output. Don't want those greenies to go broke -- do ya??

 

[Moonglow]

I've never seen a power plant that is run on fossils....

 

[Old Rocks]

This development will probably put an end to plants like Ivanpah. The prices are even cheaper now, and Austin, Texas is planning on building a Gw plus plant.

PV Power Plants 2014 - Industry Guide: Falling prices, new markets

The installation costs are relatively low; even very large solar power plants can be planned and built in a short period of time. This is how the 148,000 solar modules at the 70-MW Solarpark Meuro in Meuro/Schipkau (Brandenburg, Germany) were installed in only four weeks. The maintenance costs, too, are relatively low, because a PV facility is a fixed installation, and has no moving parts. Therefore, problems may occur almost exclusively in the electrical system. These problems can generally be easily prevented (for example, through professional line layouts) or quickly remedied (for example, by exchanging damaged solar modules or defective converters).

Since sunshine is available everywhere, all that is required is open space and a mains supply point. A large number of solar farms were installed in Germany up until 2012, because they received favorable legislative supply subsidies, and the relatively dense network provides enough nearby mains supply points. This activity reached its peak in 2012 when the number of PV systems with more than 1 MW power accounted PV Power Plants 2014: The industry for a share of about 40 percent of the total market amounting to approximately 7,400 MWp. This corresponds to PV power of about 3,000 MW.

The amount of usable open space for PV was severely reduced due to amendments to the German Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG). Meanwhile, the largest solar farms in the world have since been built in the USA and China. Open space is available in both of these countries in nearly unlimited quantities, however, a significant upturn began there as soon as system prices had dropped so much in recent years that commercially successful plants were possible even without promotions in the form of supply subsidies.

 

[flacaltenn]

This

This development will probably put an end to plants like Ivanpah. The prices are even cheaper now, and Austin, Texas is planning on building a Gw plus plant.

PV Power Plants 2014 - Industry Guide: Falling prices, new markets

The installation costs are relatively low; even very large solar power plants can be planned and built in a short period of time. This is how the 148,000 solar modules at the 70-MW Solarpark Meuro in Meuro/Schipkau (Brandenburg, Germany) were installed in only four weeks. The maintenance costs, too, are relatively low, because a PV facility is a fixed installation, and has no moving parts. Therefore, problems may occur almost exclusively in the electrical system. These problems can generally be easily prevented (for example, through professional line layouts) or quickly remedied (for example, by exchanging damaged solar modules or defective converters).

Since sunshine is available everywhere, all that is required is open space and a mains supply point. A large number of solar farms were installed in Germany up until 2012, because they received favorable legislative supply subsidies, and the relatively dense network provides enough nearby mains supply points. This activity reached its peak in 2012 when the number of PV systems with more than 1 MW power accounted PV Power Plants 2014: The industry for a share of about 40 percent of the total market amounting to approximately 7,400 MWp. This corresponds to PV power of about 3,000 MW.

The amount of usable open space for PV was severely reduced due to amendments to the German Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG). Meanwhile, the largest solar farms in the world have since been built in the USA and China. Open space is available in both of these countries in nearly unlimited quantities, however, a significant upturn began there as soon as system prices had dropped so much in recent years that commercially successful plants were possible even without promotions in the form of supply subsidies.

This isn't PV solar. This is the desert dominating DEATH RAY design for solar thermal..

 

[Old Rocks]

Mr. Flacaltenn, reread my post.

 

[rdean]

From the link:

The same amount of natural gas burned at a conventional power plant would have produced enough electricity to meet the annual needs of 17,000 California homes – or roughly a quarter of the Ivanpah plant’s total electricity projection for 2014.
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Uh, so, uh, it's saying emissions are 1/4 or one fourth the emissions of a conventional plant.

I'm sorry, what was the issue here?

 

[skookerasbil]

I cant help myself from blowing up these solar threads................

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Fantasyland with this stuff is ghey.........and ps..........China will DOUBLE their use of coal by 2040 >>>

China’s Growing Coal Use Is World’s Growing Problem

 

[skookerasbil]

But let the k00ks tell you solar is dominating!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

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Well......we can always send Dean, Mamooth and Delta over to China and have them change the Chi-Coms minds!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Baaaah..........Baaaaah...........Boooooey!!!


Dang Billy........cant find that knobby cucumber Photobucket gem!!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Don't like subsidized efforts, but this does not sound all that bad.

If it is only producing 1/4 of it's output from fossil fuel, that means that direct sun is used to produce 3/4....

Unless the standard "heat cycle" is incredibly inefficient, this is a reduction in CO2 emmissions.

Not that I care.....

But that is a fact.