night vision goggles for seat belts!

[JOKER96BRAVO]

I have issues with seatbelts
I was held back in 6th grade and vowed that it would never happen again. J/k

 

[Merlin]

After traveling in all lower 48 states, I have come to the conclusion that it is a power grab. I've driven up to more than one accident and heard more than one EMT say "if he/she hadn't been wearing that &*^$%@# seat belt/harness, he/she may still be alive". I happened on a very minor accident that had no visual injuries and a 12 year old girl was walking around surveying the damage with her mother when she fell over dead. The seat belt had damaged her internal organs. Folks, I'm "NOT" going to strap myself into one of those contraptions going down the road at 60/70 MPH. If I get into a wreck, I want out and don't care if it is through the windshield, roof, door, or any other way. I just pull it across and sit on it when I need to. Most people I know use fel-pro to hold them in place without actually being strapped in.

 

[Mr. P]

After traveling in all lower 48 states, I have come to the conclusion that it is a power grab. I've driven up to more than one accident and heard more than one EMT say "if he/she hadn't been wearing that &*^$%@# seat belt/harness, he/she may still be alive". I happened on a very minor accident that had no visual injuries and a 12 year old girl was walking around surveying the damage with her mother when she fell over dead. The seat belt had damaged her internal organs. Folks, I'm "NOT" going to strap myself into one of those contraptions going down the road at 60/70 MPH. If I get into a wreck, I want out and don't care if it is through the windshield, roof, door, or any other way. I just pull it across and sit on it when I need to. Most people I know use fel-pro to hold them in place without actually being strapped in.

In a one year period of flying an EMS helicopter I picked-up 1 (ONE) accident victim
that had injuries from the seat belt, she did die...Guess how many others I picked-up
that didn't have a belt on that died.

Only an idiot would drive without a belt on. Would you disable the air-bag too?

 

[Merlin]

In a one year period of flying an EMS helicopter I picked-up 1 (ONE) accident victim
that had injuries from the seat belt, she did die...Guess how many others I picked-up
that didn't have a belt on that died.

Only an idiot would drive without a belt on. Would you disable the air-bag too?

Already have. Cost me 50 bucks. I didn't want that thing blowing up in my face either.

 

[Mr. P]

Already have. Cost me 50 bucks. I didn't want that thing blowing up in my face either.

I'll enter you in the Darwin award contest..

 

[Merlin]

I'll enter you in the Darwin award contest..

Just because I don't agree with you? LOL There sure are a lot of cuckoos in the world. There are people making a living unhooking all that junk that's not needed. You strike me as the kind of person that leaves all that so called safety junk on your riding lawn mower where you can't start it without sitting in the seat or when the blades are engaged. Me, I've lived this long without all that stuff so I can make it the rest of the way without it too. Either way, it's a personal choice.

 

[Mr. P]

Just because I don't agree with you? LOL There sure are a lot of cuckoos in the world. There are people making a living unhooking all that junk that's not needed. You strike me as the kind of person that leaves all that so called safety junk on your riding lawn mower where you can't start it without sitting in the seat or when the blades are engaged. Me, I've lived this long without all that stuff so I can make it the rest of the way without it too. Either way, it's a personal choice.

No ya got me wrong...But I'm not stupid enough to PAY someone to do the disconnect... Send me a check I'll tell ya how-to next time.:rotflmao:

 

[no1tovote4]

I'll enter you in the Darwin award contest..

Actually if you don't have a seat belt on you should definitely kill the airbag. I can't tell you how often it was the damned airbag that stuffed them under the dash when they weren't wearing a seat belt that killed them, but it was pretty often.

Also, do you remember those "auto" seat belts, you only had to put on the bottom part? Those killed people by stuffing a 6' man into a 2' space when they got into accidents. The "auto" seat belt killed them pretty good too. If you have any "safety" devices and are not using your seat belt they can kill you more certainly than a trip through the window will.

 

[Johnney]

From a buddy of mine who's a cop:

"seatbelts and speed enforcement are required because this is a country full of RETARDS, most of whom aren't even to be considered AMATEUR drivers, let alone good drivers, and if we don't force them to behave at least a little bit, they kill each other and everyone else with their shitty habits then sue us for failing to save them from themselves"

i generally under this assumption while i was Military Police. we were always a nuisance when they wanted to speed or go tearing through a residential area or school. but heaven forbid if we werent there within 5 minutes of them calling becasue someone wrote on the sidewalk with chalk

 

[Johnney]

Actually if you don't have a seat belt on you should definitely kill the airbag. I can't tell you how often it was the damned airbag that stuffed them under the dash when they weren't wearing a seat belt that killed them, but it was pretty often.

hell when i was at ft lost in the woods there was this guy in the hospital that had a broken jaw and hand from an airbag! he was bent over doing something and it jsut went off. screw that.

 

[Merlin]

No ya got me wrong...But I'm not stupid enough to PAY someone to do the disconnect... Send me a check I'll tell ya how-to next time.:rotflmao:

You're probably right, but I prefer the word ignorant. Will you give me a discount for having to do the labor myself? If so, how big? Will the directions be detailed enough for an ignorant person to follow?

 

[007]

After traveling in all lower 48 states, I have come to the conclusion that it is a power grab. I've driven up to more than one accident and heard more than one EMT say "if he/she hadn't been wearing that &*^$%@# seat belt/harness, he/she may still be alive". I happened on a very minor accident that had no visual injuries and a 12 year old girl was walking around surveying the damage with her mother when she fell over dead. The seat belt had damaged her internal organs. Folks, I'm "NOT" going to strap myself into one of those contraptions going down the road at 60/70 MPH. If I get into a wreck, I want out and don't care if it is through the windshield, roof, door, or any other way. I just pull it across and sit on it when I need to. Most people I know use fel-pro to hold them in place without actually being strapped in.

The facts bear out a different picture. Safety belts save lives. That's just a simple fact...

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buckleplan/mayplanner2003/factsheet.html

I've never seen a race car that didn't have a seat belt.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The facts bear out a different picture. Safety belts save lives. That's just a simple fact...

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buckleplan/mayplanner2003/factsheet.html

I've never seen a race car that didn't have a seat belt.

There is nothing wrong with buckling up to protect yourself if you want to. Sane people will do what is best for themselves. You don't choose to jump from an airplane without a parachute, do you? Or should there be a law about that too?

Having laws that control your specific behavior and choices in life where it does not affect others is taking away your freedom. Having police out there with night vision goggles watching you is insane!

Socialists are very into "safety" because this is how they teach people to learn groupthink. They are not so much into safety education for the public as into scaring the public into accepting laws that control behavior. Step by step your freedoms are being taken away and people think it is for "the greater good".

Those who know how to think and take care of themselves regarding safety issues on the road will not have problems as long as the other idiots aren't on the road. Those who CAUSE the accidents in the first place are the ones who should be punished and taken off the highways because they are the ones who are doing the hurting. Why aren't the democrat socialists behind stricter laws regarding drinking/etc. while driving? Locking a drunk up for a year would have a much better effect of controlling drunken highway behavior, don't you think? Why should everybody else change their behavior to accomodate the problem people? Socialists are not into solving the real problem with appropriate punishment, they are into creating a web of laws that attempt to modify and control individual behavior to further their own ends.

 

[Mr. P]

There is nothing wrong with buckling up to protect yourself if you want to. Sane people will do what is best for themselves. You don't choose to jump from an airplane without a parachute, do you? Or should there be a law about that too?

Actually there is..it's an FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) that prohibits dropping objects from an aircraft. Seems it's for the SAFETY of those on the ground.

Having laws that control your specific behavior and choices in life where it does not affect others is taking away your freedom. Having police out there with night vision goggles watching you is insane!

See above. You being removed from your seat in a minor crash and losing control of a vehicle that crashes into a sidewalk full of pedestrians...does affect others... the goggles are a tool for law ENFORCEMENT.

Socialists are very into "safety" because this is how they teach people to learn groupthink. They are not so much into safety education for the public as into scaring the public into accepting laws that control behavior. Step by step your freedoms are being taken away and people think it is for "the greater good".

You have no right to drive on the public highway...unless you are granted the privilege of a licence to do so..It's a contract in which you agree to follow the LAW. Don't wanna abide by the contract, fine. Take the ticket.

Those who know how to think and take care of themselves regarding safety issues on the road will not have problems as long as the other idiots aren't on the road.

LOL...there lays the problem...Their out there...

Those who CAUSE the accidents in the first place are the ones who should be punished and taken off the highways because they are the ones who are doing the hurting. Why aren't the democrat socialists behind stricter laws regarding drinking/etc. while driving? Locking a drunk up for a year would have a much better effect of controlling drunken highway behavior, don't you think? Why should everybody else change their behavior to accomodate the problem people? Socialists are not into solving the real problem with appropriate punishment, they are into creating a web of laws that attempt to modify and control individual behavior to further their own ends.

I would agree somewhat, cept this is about law enforcement, isn't it? On the other hand, if you allow idiots on the road yer going to have accidents. There should be a LAW, don't you think? One directed at idiots...hey, that's what the seat belt law is all about! Nevermind.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Actually there is..it's an FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) that prohibits dropping objects from an aircraft. Seems it's for the SAFETY of those on the ground.

See above. You being removed from your seat in a minor crash and losing control of a vehicle that crashes into a sidewalk full of pedestrians...does affect others... the goggles are a tool for law ENFORCEMENT.

You have no right to drive on the public highway...unless you are granted the privilege of a licence to do so..It's a contract in which you agree to follow the LAW. Don't wanna abide by the contract, fine. Take the ticket.

LOL...there lays the problem...Their out there...

I would agree somewhat, cept this is about law enforcement, isn't it? On the other hand, if you allow idiots on the road yer going to have accidents. There should be a LAW, don't you think? One directed at idiots...hey, that's what the seat belt law is all about! Nevermind.

Stop ignoring the point. Taking my example and twisting it is simply ignoring the point. Let's see, what if someone jumped over an empty desert or empty ocean area where it would NOT hurt anybody? We could go on forever creating such scenarios - do you think we need to make laws for every type of behavior out there? Socialists do. They don't think you can think for yourself - that is my point.

You've obviously been sold on the propaganda that it is your "privilege" to drive on the roads. Did you know that for years and years our country operated WITHOUT driver's licenses or "passes" to move about freely in our country? We, the people, have paid for the roads with our taxes and have every RIGHT to travel them as long as we don't hurt others while doing so. If we don't protect this right and keep the controls to a minimum, we will soon have our free movements controlled just as much as our our seat belt usage is being controlled.

Law enforcement is for the protection of the innocent from the law breakers - not for the control of the innocent. I'm glad you agree that the idiots breaking the laws that are there to protect the innocent should be punished. However, the seat belt law is not directed at the idiots who cause the accidents. If we made the punishments harsh enough on those who actually cause the problems, there would be a drastic reduction of highway problems. There would be no need for the insane practice of police spying on you with night vision goggles just to see if you are wearing your seat belt or not!

 

[Mr. P]

Stop ignoring the point. Taking my example and twisting it is simply ignoring the point. ...
Law enforcement is for the protection of the innocent from the law breakers - not for the control of the innocent. I'm glad you agree that the idiots breaking the laws that are there to protect the innocent should be punished. However, the seat belt law is not directed at the idiots who cause the accidents. If we made the punishments harsh enough, there would be a drastic reduction of highway problems. There would be no need for the insane practice of police spying on you with night vision goggles.

First, this is not about punishment, nor spying it's about enforcement
of LAW. My guess is you're against a cop parking out of sight while clocking traffic too, right?
It's not fair, right? How about the road-blocks to catch DUI drivers? Fair?
All of these things protect the innocent from the idiots. It's all about enforcement of the LAW.

 

[Merlin]

The facts bear out a different picture. Safety belts save lives. That's just a simple fact...

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buckleplan/mayplanner2003/factsheet.html

I've never seen a race car that didn't have a seat belt.

I don't agree with these facts at all.
Mr. P said in his post "You have no right to drive on the public highway...unless you are granted the privilege of a licence to do so..It's a contract in which you agree to follow the LAW. Don't wanna abide by the contract, fine. Take the ticket."
I have never viewed driving as a privilege, but as a right that the Government makes you sign a contract for in order to keep that right. So did a lot of states until the 1950s. I don't know what year they started with drivers license, but it was started as an added tax for the states. You bought a drivers license at a store and the state got so much and the store owner got a little bit too. The last store I remember selling driver licenses was a drug store. Then the Government got involved and started calling it a right. My whole point being if I believe seat belts save lives or not, that personally, I am ready to die rather than give up all my freedoms (whether by car crash or being shot defending my property). I'm saying nobody has the right to save me from myself.

 

[dmp]

I wonder how many stolen cars went un-found, or drunk drivers ran off the road, or other 'real' crimes went unanswered because the local PD did a 'feel good' gesture to increase revenue?



It's like....

"911, what is your emergency?"
'Some guy just stole my car!'
"I'm sorry, all officers are busy using NVGs to catch REAL crooks - people who don't wear seat belts!"
'Uh...did I say stolen car? I meant 'there's a guy on a motorcycle doing a wheelie!'
"Stand by sir, SWAT will be there in 30 seconds...."

 

[-Cp]

I wonder how many stolen cars went un-found, or drunk drivers ran off the road, or other 'real' crimes went unanswered because the local PD did a 'feel good' gesture to increase revenue?



It's like....

"911, what is your emergency?"
'Some guy just stole my car!'
"I'm sorry, all officers are busy using NVGs to catch REAL crooks - people who don't wear seat belts!"
'Uh...did I say stolen car? I meant 'there's a guy on a motorcycle doing a wheelie!'
"Stand by sir, SWAT will be there in 30 seconds...."

In the words of a cop buddy of mine:

"what's horsecrap is having to squeegee these dumb bastards out from under the steering wheel when they DON'T wear em'.

Do you know how long it takes to write up and investigate a fatality accident?
a fatality crash takes up like minimum 4 cops and about six hours at the scene, then another two days to diagram and complete the paperwork
if they wear their seatbelts, they don't die as much..

Seatbelts and speed enforcement are required because this is a country full of RETARDS, most of whom aren't even to be considered AMATEUR drivers, let alone good drivers, and if we don't force them to behave at least a little bit, they kill each other and everyone else with their shitty habits then sue us for failing to save them from themselves..."

 

[dmp]

Fire suits and helmets should be 'law' if Pete's so upset about having to 'do his job'