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You are a fucking RETARD. The Insurance companies make decisions on what is covered usually by recommendations from these panels and if the Government takes over Health Insurance they will definitely use these panels. They want to CUT medical costs. Their own studies show that cutting tests is one way to do it.
Most insurance companies don't cover mammograms until age 50 already.
I guess Michelle Obama isn't bothering with them until her 50th birthday........ ya think? How about those little brats of hers, will they be waiting until 50?
The tax provisions don't kick in until 2013. Funny how that always get left out.
Please provide a link.....because if you believe that bullshit then I'm Oprah Winfrey.
Under the Finance Committee bill, the tax would be imposed beginning in 2013 on employer- sponsored health plans with total premiums exceeding $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for families, regardless of whether the coverage was paid for by the employer, the individual or both. The tax would be paid by insurers, who would be expected to pass along the cost to customers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/health/policy/13plans.html
And let's assume you're correct, why would they put anything off until after Obama is reelected? Aren't people dying as we speak from lack of health care? And what do they have to fear if they put this in immediately?
The left just doesn't make sense in this and never will. This program should be ready to go if it's well thought out. The primary excuse I keep hearing is that they still have to work out the details. Hell, after 2040 some odd pages they should have already worked that stuff out rather then put all of those bribes in the bill. $300 million for the Senator from L.A. and verbage in the bill that excludes them from having to fall in with the rest of us. They get to keep their health plan.
I remember a time that when a crooked politician got caught screwing the public they used to tar and feather and run them out of town on a rail.
Maybe thanks to capitalism she'll have the money to pay for the extra ones. Funny folks wanting government hand outs for mammograms they should be paying for.I guess Michelle Obama isn't bothering with them until her 50th birthday........ ya think? How about those little brats of hers, will they be waiting until 50?
Maybe thanks to capitalism she'll have the money to pay for the extra ones. Funny folks wanting government hand outs for mammograms they should be paying for.I guess Michelle Obama isn't bothering with them until her 50th birthday........ ya think? How about those little brats of hers, will they be waiting until 50?
Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because the healthcare lobbyists gave $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS to members of Congress in the last decade.
Where do you think that money came from? Your insurance premiums! So you are paying the insurance companies to lobby Congress to deny you coverage.
Is this a great country or what?
The tax provisions don't kick in until 2013. Funny how that always get left out.
Please provide a link.....because if you believe that bullshit then I'm Oprah Winfrey.
Here ya go.
Under the Finance Committee bill, the tax would be imposed beginning in 2013 on employer- sponsored health plans with total premiums exceeding $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for families, regardless of whether the coverage was paid for by the employer, the individual or both. The tax would be paid by insurers, who would be expected to pass along the cost to customers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/health/policy/13plans.html
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And let's assume you're correct, why would they put anything off until after Obama is reelected? Aren't people dying as we speak from lack of health care? And what do they have to fear if they put this in immediately?
The left just doesn't make sense in this and never will. This program should be ready to go if it's well thought out. The primary excuse I keep hearing is that they still have to work out the details. Hell, after 2040 some odd pages they should have already worked that stuff out rather then put all of those bribes in the bill. $300 million for the Senator from L.A. and verbage in the bill that excludes them from having to fall in with the rest of us. They get to keep their health plan.
I remember a time that when a crooked politician got caught screwing the public they used to tar and feather and run them out of town on a rail.
It's not a matter of working out details. I don't see why anyone would have told you that, because the details are spelled out in the legislation. Many of the provisions go into effect upon passage. The phase-in period is to allow companies the prep time to get their products in conformity with the law. Also, the bill doesn't "excludes them from having to fall in with the rest of us". The bill places them inside the same framework we'd all be in: employer-provided insurance, and if you don't have it, an individual marketplace upon which to buy policies.
We are being taken for a ride. This health care bill is merely a vehicle that the Dems want to use to control every facet of our lives. And what is even worse not everyone is getting coverage nor does it kick in for another 4 years.....but of course the tax increases begin this coming January.
There are plenty of questions about this bill that very few of us are aware of.
Somebody explain first of all why language is in the bill that says it won't kick in till after 2013 or 2014. I've heard that it will take that long to get it going. This argument is bogus because their primary reason for passing it is to save lives.....lives that they claim will be lost without it. So why does it take years for it to go into effect?
Another thing is not only does it cut Medicare but millions of Americans will still never receive coverage. To top it off they're floating recommendations already about screening for breast-cancer, prostrate-cancer, and now cervical-cancer. You have to put off checking yourself for this cancer according to the powers that be because someone in Washington decided you don't need it. Pap smears won't be recommended until a woman reaches her 30s. I wonder how many women in their 20s will die from cancer because they had to wait a few years to get the proper screening that is in place today.
Here in Tennessee Tenn Care went broke and 400,000 beneficiaries had to be removed from coverage just to keep it afloat. I think we can expect the same from national health care.
More jobs will be lost and more will have to rely on the government to survive.
No, not everyone will be covered, but you will get free abortions, and you will be forced out of your present health care eventually, and your taxes will increase to the point that you will not be able to control your income. All funds will have to be deposited into a government monitored bank account and whatever is left over after all of the new fees and taxes are taken out will be yours.....and you will learn to love it.
Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because the healthcare lobbyists gave $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS to members of Congress in the last decade.
Where do you think that money came from? Your insurance premiums! So you are paying the insurance companies to lobby Congress to deny you coverage.
Is this a great country or what?
You are sounding like a broken record, Chris. Actually, I think you may have broken a record for the number of times you have said the same thing. When are you going to respond to my responses to your repeated talking point?
Here are a few other questions to consider: with the government gaining more power and control with passage of the currently proposed health care bill, do you think the lobbying will increase or decrease? Who is it that has been receiving this lobbying money you are talking about? Go here, because Democrats have been receiving more money than Republicans recently. OpenSecrets | Diagnosis: Reform - Capital Eye
Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because the healthcare lobbyists gave $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS to members of Congress in the last decade.
Where do you think that money came from? Your insurance premiums! So you are paying the insurance companies to lobby Congress to deny you coverage.
Is this a great country or what?
You are sounding like a broken record, Chris. Actually, I think you may have broken a record for the number of times you have said the same thing. When are you going to respond to my responses to your repeated talking point?
Here are a few other questions to consider: with the government gaining more power and control with passage of the currently proposed health care bill, do you think the lobbying will increase or decrease? Who is it that has been receiving this lobbying money you are talking about? Go here, because Democrats have been receiving more money than Republicans recently. OpenSecrets | Diagnosis: Reform - Capital Eye
The Republicans and the Blue Dog Democrats are getting the money.
Why do you think it is so hard to get a sensible public opiton thru Congress.
But I have faith in this country. Sooner or later people will understand the fundamental fairness and decency of having national health insurance.
We are being taken for a ride. This health care bill is merely a vehicle that the Dems want to use to control every facet of our lives. And what is even worse not everyone is getting coverage nor does it kick in for another 4 years.....but of course the tax increases begin this coming January.
There are plenty of questions about this bill that very few of us are aware of.
Somebody explain first of all why language is in the bill that says it won't kick in till after 2013 or 2014. I've heard that it will take that long to get it going. This argument is bogus because their primary reason for passing it is to save lives.....lives that they claim will be lost without it. So why does it take years for it to go into effect?
Another thing is not only does it cut Medicare but millions of Americans will still never receive coverage. To top it off they're floating recommendations already about screening for breast-cancer, prostrate-cancer, and now cervical-cancer. You have to put off checking yourself for this cancer according to the powers that be because someone in Washington decided you don't need it. Pap smears won't be recommended until a woman reaches her 30s. I wonder how many women in their 20s will die from cancer because they had to wait a few years to get the proper screening that is in place today.
Here in Tennessee Tenn Care went broke and 400,000 beneficiaries had to be removed from coverage just to keep it afloat. I think we can expect the same from national health care.
More jobs will be lost and more will have to rely on the government to survive.
No, not everyone will be covered, but you will get free abortions, and you will be forced out of your present health care eventually, and your taxes will increase to the point that you will not be able to control your income. All funds will have to be deposited into a government monitored bank account and whatever is left over after all of the new fees and taxes are taken out will be yours.....and you will learn to love it.
You are right.
We are being taken for a ride.
Our healthcare costs twice as much per capita as every other industrialized nation in the world.
I wonder when people like you will realize it?
You have EVERY right to go get your colon or breasts inspected for cancer every six months from the age of 12. Just get a good enough job and quit asking someone else to pay the bill.The Death Panels Have swung into action.. no mammograms before 50 and pap smears every other year or so.. oh well,,
Why do you think it is so hard to get a sensible public opiton thru Congress.
But I have faith in this country. Sooner or later people will understand the fundamental fairness and decency of having national health insurance.
Every other industrialized country in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because the healthcare lobbyists gave $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS to members of Congress in the last decade.
Where do you think that money came from? Your insurance premiums! So you are paying the insurance companies to lobby Congress to deny you coverage.
Is this a great country or what?
You are sounding like a broken record, Chris. Actually, I think you may have broken a record for the number of times you have said the same thing. When are you going to respond to my responses to your repeated talking point?
Here are a few other questions to consider: with the government gaining more power and control with passage of the currently proposed health care bill, do you think the lobbying will increase or decrease? Who is it that has been receiving this lobbying money you are talking about? Go here, because Democrats have been receiving more money than Republicans recently. OpenSecrets | Diagnosis: Reform - Capital Eye
The Republicans and the Blue Dog Democrats are getting the money.
Why do you think it is so hard to get a sensible public opiton thru Congress.
But I have faith in this country. Sooner or later people will understand the fundamental fairness and decency of having national health insurance.
sensible public opiton.
But I have faith in this country. Sooner or later people will understand the fundamental fairness and decency of having national health insurance.
You consider throwing someone in jail or taking money from him because he can't afford coverage decent? Fair? Taxing middle class families because their coverage is too good? These are real possibilities under the proposed system.
You consider throwing someone in jail or taking money from him because he can't afford coverage decent? Fair? Taxing middle class families because their coverage is too good? These are real possibilities under the proposed system.
To be fair, those not able to pay for healthcare don't get fined for not having it. However, that's who the "public option" is supposed to cover. So they're going to make this public option, and they are going to let the poor and lower middle class buy into it. If they don't, they do not get punished. However, if the upper middle class or rich decide not to carry insurance, they get fined. If they decide to carry GREAT insurance, they pay extra taxes on it. Don't you get it? It's a fucking war on the rich.
immie,Question:
Chris keeps speaking about how great health care is in all those other countries who have socialized medicine. In every thread about HRC, Chris reminds us of how much he adores the medical fields in all those countries.
How many of those other countries produce any significant medical research that betters the lives of people around the world?
In 2013, when we jump head first into the quagmire of socialized medicine will American medical research come to a standstill? Will pharmecuetical companies cut back on their research and leave us without research into the cure for cancer?
How about the artificial heart? Would it have been developed under socialized medicine? Will we be stuck with what we have now and never move further along in the technology so that the artificial heart could be a viable long term solution. How about prostethis? (sp?) Research is being done that makes artificial limbs behave almost humanlike. Will that research continue or die out because of lack of funding?
What kind of damage will this plan do to medical research nationwide?
Why would research stop? Because if there is no financial incentive (provided by capitalism) for finding the cure to cancer researchers are not going to invest the billions of dollars it will take to find it. The government will be minimizing the rewards for research. If it is going to cost me 10 billion dollars to find the cure for cancer and when I am done the government is going to restrict me to $5 a dose, I am not going to risk that $10 billion.
Immie
