Now….About That ‘Surprise’ Attack…..

[PoliticalChic]

Very cute, MrB....but of course there was no equivalence of any sort at Pearl.

It was a slaughter.....it was tethering the lamb to the tree to bring in the tiger.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR wanted to beef up the US Military But was thwarted by Republicans in Congress. He still found backdoor ways to increase military spending

MacArthur was one of our worst Generals in history. He botched the defense of the Philippines and misdirected the Pacific war effort

He also botched the Korean War

Sorry, you're wrong. The GOP was outnumbered by more than a 3 to 1 margin in the 74th and 75th Congresses when Hitler was starting to stir the pot in Europe- they couldn't have thwarted a dam thing.

BTW, MacArthur's brilliance is well recognized throughout the Far East, the battle of Inchon during the Korean conflict where the Warlike North Korean invaders were repelled out of peaceful South Korea was a high point.

https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/samplechapter/0/1/3/1/0131470213.pdf

Not only that.....FDR, enamored as he was of Stalin and all things Bolshevik, wanted to impose communism here.
He hated successful businessmen because he was an abject failure at that endeavor.




It was only the need for capitalists to build an armed forces that restricted his plans.

He suddenly needed capitalism!


1. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”


3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times…. Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940

 

[Polishprince]

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

By May 1940, WWII was already underway, it was a little late to build up the military with the hope of stopping German and Japanese shenanigans with military expenditures.

 

[PoliticalChic]

European land warfare was far different than what the Japanese were equipped for . Soviet tanks would have run roughshod over them

You miss the point entirely.

The Soviet Union would have succumbed to a two-front war....Germany and Japan attacking.



Fact is, Stalin drew 1000 tanks from his fear of a Japanese attack once Pearl Harbor happened, and sent them to fight the Germans.



And, remember.....Russians hated Stalin as well.
"More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army."
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


Luckily for Stalin, Franklin loved him.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

By May 1940, WWII was already underway, it was a little late to build up the military with the hope of stopping German and Japanese shenanigans with military expenditures.

It wasn't under way for the United States.

 

[Manonthestreet]

European land warfare was far different than what the Japanese were equipped for . Soviet tanks would have run roughshod over them

You miss the point entirely.

The Soviet Union would have succumbed to a two-front war....Germany and Japan attacking.



Fact is, Stalin drew 1000 tanks from his fear of a Japanese attack once Pearl Harbor happened, and sent them to fight the Germans.



And, remember.....Russians hated Stalin as well.
"More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army."
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


Luckily for Stalin, Franklin loved him.

It would have been a very short invasion if he 1000 tanks waiting for them. They would have been driven into the sea.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

By May 1940, WWII was already underway, it was a little late to build up the military with the hope of stopping German and Japanese shenanigans with military expenditures.

I wonder if you understand how delusional Franklin Roosevelt was.

In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590




Get this:
FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry [Hopkins, Stalin's spy] says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94




Again....about the homicidal maniac Joseph Stalin:
"....he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."




Only Hussein Obama approaches this level of mental illness.

 

[PoliticalChic]

European land warfare was far different than what the Japanese were equipped for . Soviet tanks would have run roughshod over them

You miss the point entirely.

The Soviet Union would have succumbed to a two-front war....Germany and Japan attacking.



Fact is, Stalin drew 1000 tanks from his fear of a Japanese attack once Pearl Harbor happened, and sent them to fight the Germans.



And, remember.....Russians hated Stalin as well.
"More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army."
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


Luckily for Stalin, Franklin loved him.

It would have been a very short invasion if he 1000 tanks waiting for them. They would have been driven into the sea.

I suggest you review the efficiency of the Japanese naval air force.



BTW.....Japan did very well against the Soviets.


a. First Sino-Japanese War of 1895. Russia provided military support to the Qing Empire in China

b. After squabbling over Korea, the Japanese opted to go to war, staging a surprise attack on the Russian navy at Port Arthur on February 8, 1904.

c. Japan was an ally of Britain and the United States in WWI.

d. And, 1918–1922 Japanese military forces went to the Russian Maritime Provinces as part of a larger effort by western powers and Japan to support White Russian forces against the Bolshevik Red Army during the Russian Civil War. The Japanese suffered 1,399 killed and another 1,717 deaths from disease in that intervention.[Wikipedia]

e. The Soviet–Japanese border conflicts was a series of battles and skirmishes between the forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Empire of Japan, as well as their respective client states of Mongolia and Manchukuo. Lasting from 1932 to 1939.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Just look at how close a deal Normandy was, and we had total air superiority. . Japan was alrdy tied down in SE Asia and China ...Japan would have been fighting essentially a 2 front war. Read reams of WW II history with nary a wiff of them contemplating this.

 

[Toronado3800]

FDR wanted to beef up the US Military But was thwarted by Republicans in Congress. He still found backdoor ways to increase military spending

MacArthur was one of our worst Generals in history. He botched the defense of the Philippines and misdirected the Pacific war effort

He also botched the Korean War

Sorry, you're wrong. The GOP was outnumbered by more than a 3 to 1 margin in the 74th and 75th Congresses when Hitler was starting to stir the pot in Europe- they couldn't have thwarted a dam thing.

BTW, MacArthur's brilliance is well recognized throughout the Far East, the battle of Inchon during the Korean conflict where the Warlike North Korean invaders were repelled out of peaceful South Korea was a high point.

https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/samplechapter/0/1/3/1/0131470213.pdf

Not only that.....FDR, enamored as he was of Stalin and all things Bolshevik, wanted to impose communism here.
He hated successful businessmen because he was an abject failure at that endeavor.




It was only the need for capitalists to build an armed forces that restricted his plans.

He suddenly needed capitalism!


1. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”


3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times…. Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940

There you go again.

In an attempt to just post things against any Democrat you can, you post supportive of Polishprince ridiculing FDR of not building up the military THEN you complain about FDR talking positive about our military industrial complex with to build up the military the next year.

Remember your post about the Democrats being racists against blacks, and whites so the could get the Hispanic vote in 2080 or whatever a month or so back?

Don't try so hard to bend reality to a doctrine and you'll have an easier time with logic.

Thanks tongeographic isolation we could afford a smaller army in the 30's but had a decent Navy. Were we out looking for war? Not really.

I'm a bit more in favor of military service and spending than most non-deficit spending supporters should be but I think we're applying hindsight and but comically blindly if we wanted a larger standing army in 1935.

If anything we should have applied more funds to military applicable R&D before the war, get the Manhattan project and radar going quicker. If we had 10 more divisions of WWI tanks in 1942 we built in the 30's there would have been a negative effect of having to support old equipment slowing our switch to a trucked infantry and aircraft based military.

 

[Manonthestreet]

European land warfare was far different than what the Japanese were equipped for . Soviet tanks would have run roughshod over them

You miss the point entirely.

The Soviet Union would have succumbed to a two-front war....Germany and Japan attacking.



Fact is, Stalin drew 1000 tanks from his fear of a Japanese attack once Pearl Harbor happened, and sent them to fight the Germans.



And, remember.....Russians hated Stalin as well.
"More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army."
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


Luckily for Stalin, Franklin loved him.

It would have been a very short invasion if he 1000 tanks waiting for them. They would have been driven into the sea.

I suggest you review the efficiency of the Japanese naval air force.



BTW.....Japan did very well against the Soviets.


a. First Sino-Japanese War of 1895. Russia provided military support to the Qing Empire in China

b. After squabbling over Korea, the Japanese opted to go to war, staging a surprise attack on the Russian navy at Port Arthur on February 8, 1904.

c. Japan was an ally of Britain and the United States in WWI.

d. And, 1918–1922 Japanese military forces went to the Russian Maritime Provinces as part of a larger effort by western powers and Japan to support White Russian forces against the Bolshevik Red Army during the Russian Civil War. The Japanese suffered 1,399 killed and another 1,717 deaths from disease in that intervention.[Wikipedia]

e. The Soviet–Japanese border conflicts was a series of battles and skirmishes between the forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Empire of Japan, as well as their respective client states of Mongolia and Manchukuo. Lasting from 1932 to 1939.

Soviet tanks outmatched em in numbers and quality .Tanks ruled battlefield. It would have been a slaughter.

 

[Toronado3800]

European land warfare was far different than what the Japanese were equipped for . Soviet tanks would have run roughshod over them

You miss the point entirely.

The Soviet Union would have succumbed to a two-front war....Germany and Japan attacking.



Fact is, Stalin drew 1000 tanks from his fear of a Japanese attack once Pearl Harbor happened, and sent them to fight the Germans.



And, remember.....Russians hated Stalin as well.
"More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army."
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


Luckily for Stalin, Franklin loved him.

It would have been a very short invasion if he 1000 tanks waiting for them. They would have been driven into the sea.

I suggest you review the efficiency of the Japanese naval air force.



BTW.....Japan did very well against the Soviets.


a. First Sino-Japanese War of 1895. Russia provided military support to the Qing Empire in China

b. After squabbling over Korea, the Japanese opted to go to war, staging a surprise attack on the Russian navy at Port Arthur on February 8, 1904.

c. Japan was an ally of Britain and the United States in WWI.

d. And, 1918–1922 Japanese military forces went to the Russian Maritime Provinces as part of a larger effort by western powers and Japan to support White Russian forces against the Bolshevik Red Army during the Russian Civil War. The Japanese suffered 1,399 killed and another 1,717 deaths from disease in that intervention.[Wikipedia]

e. The Soviet–Japanese border conflicts was a series of battles and skirmishes between the forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Empire of Japan, as well as their respective client states of Mongolia and Manchukuo. Lasting from 1932 to 1939.

Tests for the "coming" land war with the Soviet Union were indecisive. When Soviet material and manpower advantages were taken into account the Japanese decided to focus on the navy where their advantage in training and indoctrination could be exploited and shortage of absolute manpower, partially thanks to their war in China, could not be exploited. Remember the German kill ratios on the Eastern Front. The Japanese were in a worse position numerically. Battles of Khalkhin Gol - Wikipedia

 

[Polishprince]

FDR wanted to beef up the US Military But was thwarted by Republicans in Congress. He still found backdoor ways to increase military spending

MacArthur was one of our worst Generals in history. He botched the defense of the Philippines and misdirected the Pacific war effort

He also botched the Korean War

Sorry, you're wrong. The GOP was outnumbered by more than a 3 to 1 margin in the 74th and 75th Congresses when Hitler was starting to stir the pot in Europe- they couldn't have thwarted a dam thing.

BTW, MacArthur's brilliance is well recognized throughout the Far East, the battle of Inchon during the Korean conflict where the Warlike North Korean invaders were repelled out of peaceful South Korea was a high point.

https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/samplechapter/0/1/3/1/0131470213.pdf

Not only that.....FDR, enamored as he was of Stalin and all things Bolshevik, wanted to impose communism here.
He hated successful businessmen because he was an abject failure at that endeavor.




It was only the need for capitalists to build an armed forces that restricted his plans.

He suddenly needed capitalism!


1. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”


3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times…. Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940

There you go again.

In an attempt to just post things against any Democrat you can, you post supportive of Polishprince ridiculing FDR of not building up the military THEN you complain about FDR talking positive about our military industrial complex with to build up the military the next year.

Remember your post about the Democrats being racists against blacks, and whites so the could get the Hispanic vote in 2080 or whatever a month or so back?

Don't try so hard to bend reality to a doctrine and you'll have an easier time with logic.

Thanks tongeographic isolation we could afford a smaller army in the 30's but had a decent Navy. Were we out looking for war? Not really.

I'm a bit more in favor of military service and spending than most non-deficit spending supporters should be but I think we're applying hindsight and but comically blindly if we wanted a larger standing army in 1935.

If anything we should have applied more funds to military applicable R&D before the war, get the Manhattan project and radar going quicker. If we had 10 more divisions of WWI tanks in 1942 we built in the 30's there would have been a negative effect of having to support old equipment slowing our switch to a trucked infantry and aircraft based military.

If America had built up its military during the 1930's, Germany wouldn't have pulled the shit they did. They wouldn't have started WWII and the Holocaust in the first place.

Fighting WWII was an extremely expensive matter. Spending the money for a top flight military in 1935 might have seemed an expensive matter- but in reality it would have saved a bundle.

 

[Geaux4it]

Now this is a good educational thread. Carry on

-Geaux

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just look at how close a deal Normandy was, and we had total air superiority. . Japan was alrdy tied down in SE Asia and China ...Japan would have been fighting essentially a 2 front war. Read reams of WW II history with nary a wiff of them contemplating this.

Again you fail to understand: Japan would be fighting the Soviets, not America.

One front.

 

[PoliticalChic]

European land warfare was far different than what the Japanese were equipped for . Soviet tanks would have run roughshod over them

You miss the point entirely.

The Soviet Union would have succumbed to a two-front war....Germany and Japan attacking.



Fact is, Stalin drew 1000 tanks from his fear of a Japanese attack once Pearl Harbor happened, and sent them to fight the Germans.



And, remember.....Russians hated Stalin as well.
"More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army."
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


Luckily for Stalin, Franklin loved him.

It would have been a very short invasion if he 1000 tanks waiting for them. They would have been driven into the sea.

I suggest you review the efficiency of the Japanese naval air force.



BTW.....Japan did very well against the Soviets.


a. First Sino-Japanese War of 1895. Russia provided military support to the Qing Empire in China

b. After squabbling over Korea, the Japanese opted to go to war, staging a surprise attack on the Russian navy at Port Arthur on February 8, 1904.

c. Japan was an ally of Britain and the United States in WWI.

d. And, 1918–1922 Japanese military forces went to the Russian Maritime Provinces as part of a larger effort by western powers and Japan to support White Russian forces against the Bolshevik Red Army during the Russian Civil War. The Japanese suffered 1,399 killed and another 1,717 deaths from disease in that intervention.[Wikipedia]

e. The Soviet–Japanese border conflicts was a series of battles and skirmishes between the forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Empire of Japan, as well as their respective client states of Mongolia and Manchukuo. Lasting from 1932 to 1939.

Soviet tanks outmatched em in numbers and quality .Tanks ruled battlefield. It would have been a slaughter.

The Soviets were fighting the Nazis in the west.


While you may not be concerned about an attack by Japan.....Stalin certainly was.

."Soviet military intelligence officer,Richard Sorge, directed the espionage network in Tokyo, which included members of the Institute of Pacific Relations, managed to push the Japanese to strike, not north into the Soviet Union, but at American interests."
"BlacklistedBy History," Stanton Evans, p. 390-392

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. Diplomacy: skill in handling affairs without arousing hostility : TACT
Definition of DIPLOMACY

Consider that definition when you try to decide whether FDR wanted war. White wrote out the following ultimatum, and FDR authorized it given to the Japanese.





Just to make sure there was a war with Japan, Soviet agent Harry Dexter White had this ultimatum prepared to be thrust on Japan:

1. Withdraw all military, Naval, air police forces from China (boundaries as of 1931), from Indo-China and from Thailand.

2. Withdraw all support—military, political, or economic—from any government in China other than that of the national government. [This referred to Pu Yi, the last Manchu emperor of China, who was the Japanese puppet ruler in Manchukuo, Japan’s colony in Manchuria.]

3. Replace with yen currency at a rate agreed upon among the Treasuries of China, Japan, England, and United States all military scrip, yen and puppet notes circulating in China.

4. Give up all extra-territorial rights in China.

5. Extend to China a billion yen loan at 2 percent to aid in reconstructing China (at a rate of 100 million yen a year).

6. Withdraw all Japanese troops from Manchuria except for a few divisions necessary as a police force, provided U.S.S.R. withdraws all her troops from the Far Eastern front except for an equivalent remainder.

7. Sell to the United States up to three-fourths of her current output of war material—including Naval, air, ordnance, and commercial ships on a cost-plus 20 per cent basis as the United States may select.

8. Expel all German technical men, military officials, and propagandists.

9. Accord the United States and China most-favorednation treatment in the whole Japanese Empire.

10. Negotiate a 10-year non-aggression pact with United States, China, British Empire, Dutch Indies (and Philippines).

White proposed that these demands be presented to the Japanese with a short deadline for acceptance” Soviet Mole Harry White's Efforts to Trigger the Pearl Harbor Attack - History







It was basically presented to Japan as ‘the Hull note” November 26, 1941

Japanese Prime Minister Tojo Hideki said to his cabinet that "this is an ultimatum."

Hull note - Wikipedia




Now….consider to whose benefit it was to have war between America and Japan.
Did Franklin Roosevelt have any thoughts about this?

Did Franklin Roosevelt have any thoughts at all?

 

[Polishprince]

If the United States were armed to the teeth in 1939, and in no mood to be pissed off, and Hitler's underlings came to him with a plan to launch the Holocaust, he would have vetoed in a flash.

No need to piss off America. WWII would have been canceled.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR wanted to beef up the US Military But was thwarted by Republicans in Congress. He still found backdoor ways to increase military spending

MacArthur was one of our worst Generals in history. He botched the defense of the Philippines and misdirected the Pacific war effort

He also botched the Korean War

Sorry, you're wrong. The GOP was outnumbered by more than a 3 to 1 margin in the 74th and 75th Congresses when Hitler was starting to stir the pot in Europe- they couldn't have thwarted a dam thing.

BTW, MacArthur's brilliance is well recognized throughout the Far East, the battle of Inchon during the Korean conflict where the Warlike North Korean invaders were repelled out of peaceful South Korea was a high point.

https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/samplechapter/0/1/3/1/0131470213.pdf

Not only that.....FDR, enamored as he was of Stalin and all things Bolshevik, wanted to impose communism here.
He hated successful businessmen because he was an abject failure at that endeavor.




It was only the need for capitalists to build an armed forces that restricted his plans.

He suddenly needed capitalism!


1. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”


3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times…. Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940

There you go again.

In an attempt to just post things against any Democrat you can, you post supportive of Polishprince ridiculing FDR of not building up the military THEN you complain about FDR talking positive about our military industrial complex with to build up the military the next year.

Remember your post about the Democrats being racists against blacks, and whites so the could get the Hispanic vote in 2080 or whatever a month or so back?

Don't try so hard to bend reality to a doctrine and you'll have an easier time with logic.

Thanks tongeographic isolation we could afford a smaller army in the 30's but had a decent Navy. Were we out looking for war? Not really.

I'm a bit more in favor of military service and spending than most non-deficit spending supporters should be but I think we're applying hindsight and but comically blindly if we wanted a larger standing army in 1935.

If anything we should have applied more funds to military applicable R&D before the war, get the Manhattan project and radar going quicker. If we had 10 more divisions of WWI tanks in 1942 we built in the 30's there would have been a negative effect of having to support old equipment slowing our switch to a trucked infantry and aircraft based military.

If America had built up its military during the 1930's, Germany wouldn't have pulled the shit they did. They wouldn't have started WWII and the Holocaust in the first place.

Fighting WWII was an extremely expensive matter. Spending the money for a top flight military in 1935 might have seemed an expensive matter- but in reality it would have saved a bundle.

First of all, Roosevelt and Hitler were buddies.

Germany actually got FDR's OK to take over part of Czechoslovakia .

Further, Hitler also felt a comradeship with both English-speaking nation....which is why he allowed England to save the troops at Dunkirk. He hoped to end the two-front war, with America and England agreeing to his war against communism.




Sooo....with both Hitler and Stalin on his Christmas card list, why worry about beefing up the military.




My view is that he
a. wanted to get Japan to attack America, and save the Soviet Union
b. he never expected the attack to be as devastating as it turned out to be.




Roosevelt's America was not the same as Reagan's 'we win, you lose' America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR wanted to beef up the US Military But was thwarted by Republicans in Congress. He still found backdoor ways to increase military spending

MacArthur was one of our worst Generals in history. He botched the defense of the Philippines and misdirected the Pacific war effort

He also botched the Korean War

Sorry, you're wrong. The GOP was outnumbered by more than a 3 to 1 margin in the 74th and 75th Congresses when Hitler was starting to stir the pot in Europe- they couldn't have thwarted a dam thing.

BTW, MacArthur's brilliance is well recognized throughout the Far East, the battle of Inchon during the Korean conflict where the Warlike North Korean invaders were repelled out of peaceful South Korea was a high point.

https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/samplechapter/0/1/3/1/0131470213.pdf

Not only that.....FDR, enamored as he was of Stalin and all things Bolshevik, wanted to impose communism here.
He hated successful businessmen because he was an abject failure at that endeavor.




It was only the need for capitalists to build an armed forces that restricted his plans.

He suddenly needed capitalism!


1. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”


3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times…. Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940

There you go again.

In an attempt to just post things against any Democrat you can, you post supportive of Polishprince ridiculing FDR of not building up the military THEN you complain about FDR talking positive about our military industrial complex with to build up the military the next year.

Remember your post about the Democrats being racists against blacks, and whites so the could get the Hispanic vote in 2080 or whatever a month or so back?

Don't try so hard to bend reality to a doctrine and you'll have an easier time with logic.

Thanks tongeographic isolation we could afford a smaller army in the 30's but had a decent Navy. Were we out looking for war? Not really.

I'm a bit more in favor of military service and spending than most non-deficit spending supporters should be but I think we're applying hindsight and but comically blindly if we wanted a larger standing army in 1935.

If anything we should have applied more funds to military applicable R&D before the war, get the Manhattan project and radar going quicker. If we had 10 more divisions of WWI tanks in 1942 we built in the 30's there would have been a negative effect of having to support old equipment slowing our switch to a trucked infantry and aircraft based military.

Please consider restricting your posts to topics with which you are conversant, such as monster trucks, favorite Crayola, and best 24-Hour All Cartoon Networks.