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according to their pledges to the 4 early states, no campaigning with the public and no campaign ads were to be run in florida, BUT CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISERS were PERMITTED.Um.. when was this supposed campaign in Florida.... Cause I only saw hill campaign for the two days preceding the primary...
Thats nice. I wouldn't support it if it was Obama doing it either.
Link to the decision?
12 of the 30 members were active Clinton supporters. Terry McAuliffe strongly supported not counting MI or FL.
I'm talking about the national DNC.
Its always been back and forth. He's been the front runner for some time, but people didn't start saying he really won until North Carolina. Bloggers were saying that, but it wasn't picked up in the MSM.
12 of the 30 members were active Clinton supporters. Terry McAuliffe strongly supported not counting MI or FL.
Thats nice. I wouldn't support it if it was Obama doing it either.
Link to the decision?
12 of the 30 members were active Clinton supporters. Terry McAuliffe strongly supported not counting MI or FL.
I'm talking about the national DNC.
Its always been back and forth. He's been the front runner for some time, but people didn't start saying he really won until North Carolina. Bloggers were saying that, but it wasn't picked up in the MSM.
just one thing, could you please supply the link to this statement of yours, maybe i missed it?:
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Umm yeah.. that footage I saw of those "wink wink" fundraising events of hills where some ten thousand people attended...according to their pledges to the 4 early states, no campaigning with the public and no campaign ads were to be run in florida, BUT CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISERS were PERMITTED.
Hillary DID NOT CHEAT or break the rules, HOWEVER Obama did jeepers, by running campaign ads there prior to the primary.
Obama ALSO had FUND raisers there, in fact he was at one of his own fund raiser when he went outside and spoke to the press.
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This is the best I could find. I'll find a better explanation later:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/25/politics/main3204004.shtml
Fourth paragraph from the bottom.
What's your point?
Clinton NEVER campaigned to keep these votes from counting. She simply said she would abide by the rule if everyone else did. She changed her mind. Sue her.
Um.. when was this supposed campaign in Florida.... Cause I only saw hill campaign for the two days preceding the primary...
She changed her mind when it became politically expedient to do so. So spare me the holier than thou bullshit about respecting voters rights.
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the link on #15 said nothing regarding terry mcC or the 12 out of 30 being clinton supporters?????????????
a link to your statement regarding that, is what i asked for....the link on that post was about how to seat michigan....?
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It was a different story in October. Back then, Clinton was far and away the national front-runnerby some 20 points in a number of polls. With much less at stake in the matter, she told a New Hampshire public-radio audience, "It's clear, this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything." Clinton was unwilling to take her name off the Michigan primary ballot, as Obama and her other significant rivals did, but like them she agreed not to campaign in Michigan or in Florida before their primaries.
On Aug. 25, when the DNC's rules panel declared Florida's primary date out of order, it agreed by a near-unanimous majority to exceed the 50 percent penalty called for under party rules. Instead, the group stripped Florida of all 210 delegates to underscore its displeasure with Florida's defiance and to discourage other states from following suit. In doing so, the DNC essentially committed itself, for fairness' sake, to strip the similarly defiant Michigan of all 156 of its delegates three months later. Clinton held tremendous potential leverage over this decision, and not only because she was then widely judged the likely nominee. Of the committee's 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters. All of themmost notably strategist Harold Ickesvoted for Florida's full disenfranchisement. (The only dissenting vote was cast by a Tallahassee, Fla., city commissioner who supported Obama.)
I never gave any holier than thou bullshit. It's the Obama camp that makes him seem untouchable. The truth is, and we all know it, if the shoe were on the other foot, he'd be doing the same thing.
Frankly, I don't see why it was ever an issue. The Democrats of Florida are being held accountable for the actions of Republicans in Florida. Why the votes were never supposed to count in the first place boggles my mind.
Umm yeah.. that footage I saw of those "wink wink" fundraising events of hills where some ten thousand people attended...
Actually it would be the people of Florida who are held accountable for the actions of their elected representatives. Thats how it usually works in a Republic.
So they said there would be no sanctions and then Obama broke the rule? Seems that he shouldn't be sanctioned then.
That Clinton had a hand in it. Read the Slate article I posted before.
She changed her mind when it became politically expedient to do so. So spare me the holier than thou bullshit about respecting voters rights.
Larkinn, in regards to the committee, 12 out of 30 is not a majority. Even if the 12 Clinton supporters voted against the measure, it would not have been enough.
Are you suggesting that Democrats in Florida elected the Republican officials? That's like telling me I'm responsible for Bush's bullshit. Give me a fucking break.
LOL.. two private fundraisers in auditoriums packed with thousands of signwaiving hill fans.. I wonder how many of these people actually gave money...Wow, that's pretty cool that you saw something that didn't exist. She attended two private fundraisers, something that was clearly defined in their agreement not to campaign. Obama aired television ads in Florida, which was clearly defined as being in VIOLATION of the agreement.
now YOU are making up stuff, she never changed her mind, she was always behind seating the delegates from these states.
It's clear, this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything.
she deserves all of obama delegates in florida for obama BREAKING THE RULES by campaigning there with a national ad plan, and IF these national ads ran in michigan, he should forfeit those delegates to hillary according to the rule also....
THOSE WERE THE RULES.....not changing anything midstream....
i'd say, hillary is in the LEAD if they followed the damn rules.....!!!!!!!!! hahahahaha!
but obama's the little darling, and of course he will probably get away with the cheating....
guess you have nothing to say on that, huh?
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Yeah, but they didn't. They supported it, and so did she. Those were only her direct backers. You know damn well she could have changed it if she had wanted too.
You aren't responsible for it, but you have to deal with it, like it or not. You having to deal with Bush doesn't mean you were disenfranchised.
