Obamacare Signing Up Illegals

[Harry Dresden]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

Maybe 3% of my clients end up paying nothing.

that are illegals?....

 

[Antares]

Bottom line - there is very little to celebrate about Obamacare. Even the die hards are running from the catastrophe.


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90-10 against every day all day.

 

[Crystalclear]

This is just so sad. The Democrats are just making all those illegals citizens to gain midterm votes.

 

[Antares]

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

Maybe 3% of my clients end up paying nothing.

that are illegals?....

No, just folks who get a subsidy that is larger than the plans they are enrolling in.

I don't buy into the story in the OP, they have to have a social security number and the Gov asks 4 verification questions about the enrollees life, everything from loans, vehicles purchased, High School Graduated from and on and on.

There must be a history or they will not be verified and you cannot go any further in the app.

 

[katsteve2012]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

How many are riding 100% free now? If even a fraction are signed up, more will pay than they would if they were not signed up at all.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

How many are riding 100% free now? If even a fraction are signed up, more will pay than they would if they were not signed up at all.

if its a program we are all supposed to be in and have to contribute.....and they want in....then they have to pay too....many of those people are working,make them pay.....you wanna take something out,you gotta put something back....

 

[guno]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

Oh, that's different.


Nevermind.


No wait, Democrats set this whole mess up in the first place. They have been laying out the red-carpet for illegals for years. Most of them wouldn't even be here if it weren't for liberal policies.

Nope, you're just talking gobbledygook.

And if biz didn't offer them jobs without checking , and the part of the republican party that wants more cheap labor wants them here

 

[billyerock1991]

would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

these republicans are so crass, that even the thought of a illegal getting health care on medicaid will make they have a heart attack ... Mever mind the idea of the hospital getting paid for once, its the idea that they would get health care is just unthinkable ...after all they do bust their asses cleaning doing all heavy labor jobs, and even picking the food they eat ... Get health care for doing that??? That's unthinkable for these repub-lie-tards

I guess that's all they're good for in your eyes..yet you blame Republicans for your own personal perspective...

personal perspective thats funny ... personal perspective its losers like you that can't see the forest for the trees ... personal perspective bwa hahahahahahs thats funny ... can't stand the fact that I nailed it... pointing out what you and other republicans are ... they aren't good for anything other the showing us all what a greedy bastard is...

 

[billyerock1991]

He certainly was.

This is hardly surprising. It was part of the plan all along.

What planning? The annual and lifetime caps only work if the needed specialists and drug companies accept exchange reimbursement rates otherwise you pay in full and get the crappy reimbursement rates when and if the checks are cut.

The plan is to Buy Votes. By the time these people realize what a Ponzi scheme ObamaCare is, the 2014 elections will be long over.

what these people will discover is how immoral these republicans really are ... these republicans would rather you die then see a poor person get health care of any kind that's what they will discover moron ...

 

[billyerock1991]

twit, it will be forever tagged "obamacare" deal with it.

twit!!!! You do realize nobody takes a paid poster serious ... That's why you're not taken serious anymore...

Poor Billie Boi....you have it backwards.....nobody pays an unintelligent little boi like you any attention.

I am paid to sell insurance...and I am averaging 5 grand a check...

Don't be a hatah because you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

coming from a paid poster, a lying paid poster, 5 grand, that's funny ....you paid posters will lie about anything ... seems you have a spelling problem too paid poster ....

 

[billyerock1991]

For the ignorant.... you cannot purchase OBAMACARE.....

you purchase private insurance.

ijits....

Twit, it will be forever tagged "Obamacare" deal with it.

only in your brainddead little mind.

it is PRIVATE INSURANCE. there is no product called OBAMACARE except in the rightwingnut mind.

he is a brain dead poster all right ... a brain dead paid poster who claims he makes 5 grand every time he sell a plan ... that's funny ... two plans and he's done for the month... or the week ... what a liar he is ... he said he works day in and day out ... but he's here day in and day out ... ragging about the health care plan that's allegedly paying him 5 grand every time he sells one ... boy is that a stupid company ... see how stupid Antares the board paid poster sounds ...

 

[billyerock1991]

Twit, it will be forever tagged "Obamacare" deal with it.

only in your brainddead little mind.

it is PRIVATE INSURANCE. there is no product called OBAMACARE except in the rightwingnut mind.

Honey I speak to anywhere from 25 to 100 people a day on the phone.....almost EVERY time their opening line is "I need to sign up for that Obamacare".

You are apparently as ignorant as Billy Boi there.

now the lair is getting even more radical ...how can you take 25 to a 100 calls a day when he's here all the time ragging about obama care ... this guy puts his foot in his mouth every time he post ... what a fool he's making of himself ... antares if your going to lie to us at least try and make it look like your credible ...that's even funnier ... the average call is 15 min... which if he did a 100 calls that means he was on the phone for 25 hours ...really antares ??? you want to go with that one ??? you know, every time antares sign them up he get 5 grand ... at leas thats what he said ... that means, why he's making 125,000 dollars a day .... no wonder he's here all the time ... antares works one day then rags the other 29 days here about how health care is so bad ... doesn't seem too bad for him ... could it be true ??? he's one lying repub-LIE-tard bastard??? could that be it ??? you make a fool of yourself every time you post, paid poster

 

[billyerock1991]

Bottom line - there is very little to celebrate about Obamacare. Even the die hards are running from the catastrophe.


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please tell us who these allegedly die hards that are claiming OBAMA care is a catastrophe. if ya can't then stop lying .. it makes you look like a fool

 

[Unkotare]

what these people will discover is how immoral these republicans really are ... these republicans would rather you die then see a poor person get health care of any kind that's what they will discover moron ...

You're nothing but a mindless, hyper-partisan drone. You don't think, you really have opinions, you just chant "Ooooooh, them Republicans is booger-heads!" over and over, pretending that somehow amounts to political science. It doesn't. You're an empty shell.

 

[Lumpy 1]

these republicans are so crass, that even the thought of a illegal getting health care on medicaid will make they have a heart attack ... Mever mind the idea of the hospital getting paid for once, its the idea that they would get health care is just unthinkable ...after all they do bust their asses cleaning doing all heavy labor jobs, and even picking the food they eat ... Get health care for doing that??? That's unthinkable for these repub-lie-tards

I guess that's all they're good for in your eyes..yet you blame Republicans for your own personal perspective...

personal perspective thats funny ... personal perspective its losers like you that can't see the forest for the trees ... personal perspective bwa hahahahahahs thats funny ... can't stand the fact that I nailed it... pointing out what you and other republicans are ... they aren't good for anything other the showing us all what a greedy bastard is...

Greedy bastards would be over-spending and passing it off on future generations, that would be the Democrat Party now wouldn't it..

btw.. You couldn't nail a prostitute,,,,

 

[Harry Dresden]

these republicans are so crass, that even the thought of a illegal getting health care on medicaid will make they have a heart attack ... Mever mind the idea of the hospital getting paid for once, its the idea that they would get health care is just unthinkable ...after all they do bust their asses cleaning doing all heavy labor jobs, and even picking the food they eat ... Get health care for doing that??? That's unthinkable for these repub-lie-tards

I guess that's all they're good for in your eyes..yet you blame Republicans for your own personal perspective...

personal perspective thats funny ... personal perspective its losers like you that can't see the forest for the trees ... personal perspective bwa hahahahahahs thats funny ... can't stand the fact that I nailed it... pointing out what you and other republicans are ... they aren't good for anything other the showing us all what a greedy bastard is...

the only thing you have ever "nailed" in these threads is you just proving you are another Far Left idiot....everything negative is because of the Republicans....the Democrats are a gift from Heaven....your brainwashed Billy....

 

[Harry Dresden]

what these people will discover is how immoral these republicans really are ... these republicans would rather you die then see a poor person get health care of any kind that's what they will discover moron ...

You're nothing but a mindless, hyper-partisan drone. You don't think, you really have opinions, you just chant "Ooooooh, them Republicans is booger-heads!" over and over, pretending that somehow amounts to political science. It doesn't. You're an empty shell.

i bet he tells you that you are full of shit.....bet?...

 

[mudwhistle]

health care & daca deferred action - national immigration law center

they won't click on that link.......


So here's some of the text on the site.

part 1: Restricted access to health care
what are the health care restrictions released by the obama administration on august 28, 2012?

The obama administration released two official policy announcements on august 28, 2012, that affect the eligibility for federal health care programs of individuals granted deferred action under the administration’s “deferred action for childhood arrivals” (daca) policy. the policies announced on august 28 — issued as federal regulations and guidance — do not affect any other immigration category and do not affect individuals granted deferred action apart from the daca policy.

The announcement changes federal rules for daca-eligible individuals by excluding them from affordable health insurance options that are available to other individuals with deferred action. See below for more details.

Before the changes announced on august 28, some daca-eligible individuals would have gained access to more options for affordable and comprehensive health insurance. Youth granted daca who are under 21 years of age or pregnant and who are otherwise eligible would have been able to apply for free or low-cost health insurance through a state’s medicaid program or children’s health insurance program (chip) in about half of the states. In some states, pregnant women will continue to have access to federal health insurance coverage under chip regardless of their immigration status. (see the nilc table “medical assistance programs for immigrants in various states” (pdf).)

after 2014, daca-eligible individuals would have had additional options to buy affordable health insurance in their state as a result of federal health care reform. (the health care reform law’s name is the affordable care act (aca). Sometimes it is referred to as “obamacare.&#8221

as a result of the august 28 changes, daca-eligible individuals will remain excluded from almost all affordable health insurance options. They will be treated as though they are undocumented, even though they are otherwise considered lawfully present and are eligible for a work permit and a social security number. Unless their state has established a state-funded health coverage program, their only opportunity to obtain affordable, comprehensive health insurance may be through employment.
When do the restrictions go into effect?

The restrictions are effective august 30, 2012. The restrictions apply to every daca-eligible individual effective immediately.
What do people granted deferred action outside of daca have access to in terms of health care?

People granted “non-daca” deferred action:

Enroll in low-cost, comprehensive health insurance available through medicaid or chip in about half the states, if they are under age 21 or pregnant. See below for more details.
Enroll in a state’s high-risk insurance pool, referred to as the pre-existing condition insurance plan (pcip). This allows u.s. Citizens and lawfully present immigrants who are currently uninsured and cannot get health insurance because they have a particular medical condition (such as cancer, high blood pressure, diabetes, depression) to buy more affordable health insurance.

After january 1, 2014, people with non-daca deferred action status:

Can buy private, comprehensive health insurance if health insurance is not available to them through their school or work. This new way of buying health insurance under federal health care reform is often referred to as the “health insurance marketplace,” although the marketplace may have a unique name in each state, such as “covered california” or the “new york state of health.” open enrollment in the marketplace for coverage in 2014 starts october 1, 2013, and ends march 31, 2014. undocumented people are not eligible to buy health insurance inside the marketplace.
Can apply for financial assistance to pay for the private health insurance purchased through the marketplace. The financial assistance will be provided in the form of federal refundable tax credits, known as “premium tax credits” and “cost-sharing reductions.” the amount of the tax credit will be based on income. As a result, the price of health insurance will vary based on an individual’s or family’s income, so it will be more affordable. See below for more information.
Can enroll in a “basic health program,” if their state has one, starting in 2015. The basic health program will be another affordable health insurance option for low-income and working families.
Will be required to have health insurance under the “individual mandate” unless it is unaffordable or the individual is eligible for an exemption.
health care & daca deferred action - national immigration law center​

like i said you're such a moron ...the numbers you are speaking of are miniscule at best ... The way you make it sound that every illegal in the country gets this .. They don't ... This has to be approved by the government you idiot ... You're making mountains out of piss ant hills ...

The only rational response to this is obvious.......No illegal should be getting health care under Obamacare. Zero. Zip.None. Nada.

They dreamed up this scam by claiming that 30 million Americans were without insurance and here they're giving it to people that shouldn't be here in the first place. The 30 million that didn't have it before still don't have it 4 years after the thing was passed.

What's worse is Obama and the Democrats are forcing us to subsidize these people merely to get their votes. This should be illegal, and when the GOP takes back congress they will make it illegal if it already isn't.

 

[katsteve2012]

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

How many are riding 100% free now? If even a fraction are signed up, more will pay than they would if they were not signed up at all.

if its a program we are all supposed to be in and have to contribute.....and they want in....then they have to pay too....many of those people are working,make them pay.....you wanna take something out,you gotta put something back....

I don't disagree at all. However, when has there ever been a 100% "fair system" in the history of this nation?

There will always be a percentage of the population that contributes less and gets more than their fair share. The only way for heathcare to be 100% equal for all would be for it to be government controlled in all aspects.

For now it is a change for the better with more improvement needed.

 

[mudwhistle]

How many are riding 100% free now? If even a fraction are signed up, more will pay than they would if they were not signed up at all.

if its a program we are all supposed to be in and have to contribute.....and they want in....then they have to pay too....many of those people are working,make them pay.....you wanna take something out,you gotta put something back....

I don't disagree at all. However, when has there ever been a 100% "fair system" in the history of this nation?

There will always be a percentage of the population that contributes less and gets more than their fair share. The only way for heathcare to be 100% equal for all would be for it to be government controlled in all aspects.

For now it is a change for the better with more improvement needed.

Asking amateurs to control something that takes professionals to run is a recipe for disaster.