Obama’s Team Including Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, Alexander Vindman Told Zelensky to Reject Trump Deal in Violation of Logan Act.

[hadit]

Yes, it is quite telling how quickly Trump moves to secure Russian goals.

Which are what, exactly?

 

[hadit]

You can't prove that.

TDS demands reflexive opposition because Orange Man Bad, and reasons and feelz.

 

[Curried Goats]

Which are what, exactly?

Russian imperialism

 

[hadit]

Russian imperialism

You're being very vague and general about the whole thing. What exactly does Russia hope to get out of the war that TRUMP! is going to give them?

 

[Moonglow]

TDS demands reflexive opposition because Orange Man Bad, and reasons and feelz.

Probably so, but you still can't prove a damn thing.

 

[struth]

And when Trump is calling Zelenski a dictator and Russia is saying Washington's goals align with theirs, why exactly would Ukraine trust that deal?

It's not my war. It's not my place to tell Ukrainians when to stop fighting the invasion of their country.

No. I expect them to pay for weapons that kill Russians. Russians are the ones killing Ukrainians you fuckwit.

1) what deal? The mineral deal he agreed to already and wants?
2) Cool, you are just ok with spending other people's money funding it
3) How much have they paid thus far for weapons? What about the cash we sent?

 

[hadit]

Probably so, but you still can't prove a damn thing.

There is no level of evidence or proof that will be accepted. TDS will not allow it.

 

[Curried Goats]

You're being very vague and general about the whole thing. What exactly does Russia hope to get out of the war that TRUMP! is going to give them?

The territory they've already taken in their conquest of Ukraine. Do you think Russia was getting nothing out the deal?

 

[Moonglow]

There is no level of evidence or proof that will be accepted. TDS will not allow it.

You have presented nothing more than the din of the echo chamber.

 

[Moonglow]

The territory they've already taken in their conquest of Ukraine. Do you think Russia was getting nothing out the deal?

Along with Crimea.

 

[hadit]

The territory they've already taken in their conquest of Ukraine. Do you think Russia was getting nothing out the deal?

Do the people living in that territory want to be a part of Russia or a part of Ukraine? Has anyone asked them? They are historically Russian.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Well, we sort of agreed previously to stand with them against any Russian aggression in exchange for them giving up their nuclear weapons. If we can't keep that agreement why would they trust another one and by Trump no less, the convicted fraudster in chief?

Trust is a two way street. I keep seeing these “I stand with the Ukraine” memes but how many people stand with Zelensky?

 

[Curried Goats]

1) what deal? The mineral deal he agreed to already and wants?

He didn't agree to any deal yet. He is willing to talk a minerals deal but he doesn't want to concede any territory to Russia.

2) Cool, you are just ok with spending other people's money funding it

That's our money. I see it as uncollected tax revenue.

3) How much have they paid thus far for weapons? What about the cash we sent?

Over a hundred billion by now.

 

[Curried Goats]

Do the people living in that territory want to be a part of Russia or a part of Ukraine? Has anyone asked them? They are historically Russian.

Kind of seems like Russia wouldn't of needed to bother with the whole military invasion thing if Ukrainians were so eager for that prospect.

 

[kyzr]

Do the people living in that territory want to be a part of Russia or a part of Ukraine? Has anyone asked them? They are historically Russian.

Google the Ukrainian speaking and the Russian speaking areas in Ukraine. That map shows you are WRONG.

 

[Curried Goats]

Trust is a two way street. I keep seeing these “I stand with the Ukraine” memes but how many people stand with Zelensky?

I stand with people fighting foreign aggressors. I don't give a shit what their names are.

 

[kyzr]

I stand with people fighting foreign aggressors. I don't give a shit what their names are.

I agree with your sentiment, but our $37T debt says that we need to cut a peace deal unless the EU wants to support the war longer.

 

[Curried Goats]

I agree with your sentiment, but our $37T debt says that we need to cut a peace deal unless the EU wants to support the war longer.

Or raise some taxes on some folk. But I'm willing to cut some government spending so long as it's the corporate subsidies that are getting cut. (Small businesses you're cool.)

 

[kyzr]

Or raise some taxes on some folk. But I'm willing to cut some government spending so long as it's the corporate subsidies that are getting cut. (Small businesses you're cool.)

Yeah okay, as long as the EU puts up more or matching aid, not loans.

 

[Curried Goats]

Yeah okay, as long as the EU puts up more or matching aid, not loans.

That would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.