Only "Crappy" policeis will be cancelled....

[Zander]

Tell that to these people. They had a great policy. Now they'll pay more for less. These people actually campaigned for Obama too. Maybe if enough Obama supporters get fucked over we can get this clusterfuck of a law fixed....


Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare - ProPublica

Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare

San Francisco architect Lee Hammack says he and his wife, JoEllen Brothers, are “cradle Democrats.” They have donated to the liberal group Organizing for America and worked the phone banks a year ago for President Obama’s re-election.

Since 1995, Hammack and Brothers have received their health coverage from Kaiser Permanente, where Brothers worked until 2009 as a dietitian and diabetes educator. “We’ve both been in very good health all of our lives – exercise, don’t smoke, drink lightly, healthy weight, no health issues, and so on,” Hammack told me.

The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The couple would need to find another one. The cost would be around double what they pay now, but the benefits would be worse.

No way! That is all a right wing smear job, right? Only "SHITTY Policies were dumped Right? Wrong! But wait, it gets worse...the price is more than double!!

I asked Hammack to send me details of his current plan. It carried a $4,000 deductible per person, a $40 copay for doctor visits, a $150 emergency room visit fee and 30 percent coinsurance for hospital stays after the deductible. The out-of-pocket maximum was $5,600.

This plan was ending, Kaiser’s letters told them, because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. “Everything is taken care of,” the letters said. “There’s nothing you need to do.”

The letters said the couple would be enrolled in new Kaiser plans that would cost nearly $1,300 a month for the two of them (more than $15,000 a year).

And for that higher amount, what would they get? A higher deductible ($4,500), a higher out-of-pocket maximum ($6,350), higher hospital costs (40 percent of the cost) and possibly higher costs for doctor visits and drugs.

When they shopped around and looked for a different plan on California's new health insurance marketplace, Covered California, the cheapest one was $975, with hefty deductibles and copays.

In a speech in Boston last week, President Obama said those receiving cancellation letters didn’t have good insurance. “There are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who've got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident,” he said.

“Remember, before the Affordable Care Act, these bad-apple insurers had free rein every single year to limit the care that you received, or use minor preexisting conditions to jack up your premiums or bill you into bankruptcy. So a lot of people thought they were buying coverage, and it turned out not to be so good.”

What is going on here? Kaiser isn’t a “bad apple” insurer and this plan wasn’t “cut rate.” It seems like this is a lose-lose for the Hammacks (and a friend featured in a report last month by the public radio station KQED.)

What ever will they do? The wanted this, but now it's hitting too close to home. They'll have to pay twice as much for less. Affordable Care Act? Maybe the "act" part is correct...

So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”

There is no amount of spin that can change the facts. Obamacare is a clusterfuck.

Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare - ProPublica

 

[Avatar4321]

It wont matter. Even when the insurance cancelation comes in for them they will act like it's someone elses fault

 

[The Rabbi]

It's all Bush's fault. Or the insurance companies'. Or the Tea Party's. Or someone else.

More of that. This could get real fun.
Former MSNBC Host?s Health Plan Cancelled, New Plan Costs 3.5 Times More | Mediaite

 

[MACAULAY]

Well, its nice to see some "Cradle Democrats" get a dose of what they insisted on.

And, rather than learn a lesson in what Socialism will ultimately do to you, what's their first idea?

To lower their income intentionally so as to qualify for a govmint subsidy.

You can't cure a Cradle Democrat.

 

[kwc57]

I just recently discovered ProPublica. I like them. The nice thing about them is, no partisan hack can claim you are using a partisan hack website. They are about as unbiased of a source as you can get.

 

[kwc57]

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[Spoonman]

Tell that to these people. They had a great policy. Now they'll pay more for less. These people actually campaigned for Obama too. Maybe if enough Obama supporters get fucked over we can get this clusterfuck of a law fixed....

what this confirms is it was never really about ensuring everyone had insurance coverage. if that was the case, no policies would be canceled. the real issue here is they need to generate more income to pay for all of the uninsured. a spreading of the wealth shall we say. only in this case you are spreading from people who have none to share. this is about forcing you to have a more expensive policy to help offset the coverage of the uninsured. this was a calcualted result. not an ooops, this one really surprised us.

 

[kwc57]

Notice that Obama's apology was that people's were having their policies cancelled. There was no apology for knowing it would happen back in 2010 and lying about it until now. It's like telling your child to apologize for hitting soneone and they say, "I'm sorry that you did something to make me hit you".

 

[Zander]

Notice that Obama's apology was that people's were having their policies cancelled. There was no apology for knowing it would happen back in 2010 and lying about it until now. It's like telling your child to apologize for hitting soneone and they say, "I'm sorry that you did something to make me hit you".

Exactly. He's like a 4 year old.

Now he's doubling down on the lie by blaming "crappy" policies and "bad apple" insurers....Really? He's truly a pathetic liar.

But his sycophants are worse. They defend his lies and deflect, even when faced with the truth.

 

[boedicca]

If Obama likes your plan, you can keep your plan.

If Obama likes your doctor, you can keep you doctor.

If Obama likes your money, you can't keep your money.

 

[bendog]

If Obama likes your plan, you can keep your plan.

If Obama likes your doctor, you can keep you doctor.

If Obama likes your money, you can't keep your money.

He's gonna take over for the barbarians in the commercials "What's in your wallet."

 

[Vox]

Tell that to these people. They had a great policy. Now they'll pay more for less. These people actually campaigned for Obama too. Maybe if enough Obama supporters get fucked over we can get this clusterfuck of a law fixed....


Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare - ProPublica

Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare

San Francisco architect Lee Hammack says he and his wife, JoEllen Brothers, are “cradle Democrats.” They have donated to the liberal group Organizing for America and worked the phone banks a year ago for President Obama’s re-election.

Since 1995, Hammack and Brothers have received their health coverage from Kaiser Permanente, where Brothers worked until 2009 as a dietitian and diabetes educator. “We’ve both been in very good health all of our lives – exercise, don’t smoke, drink lightly, healthy weight, no health issues, and so on,” Hammack told me.

The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The couple would need to find another one. The cost would be around double what they pay now, but the benefits would be worse.

No way! That is all a right wing smear job, right? Only "SHITTY Policies were dumped Right? Wrong! But wait, it gets worse...the price is more than double!!

I asked Hammack to send me details of his current plan. It carried a $4,000 deductible per person, a $40 copay for doctor visits, a $150 emergency room visit fee and 30 percent coinsurance for hospital stays after the deductible. The out-of-pocket maximum was $5,600.

This plan was ending, Kaiser’s letters told them, because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. “Everything is taken care of,” the letters said. “There’s nothing you need to do.”

The letters said the couple would be enrolled in new Kaiser plans that would cost nearly $1,300 a month for the two of them (more than $15,000 a year).

And for that higher amount, what would they get? A higher deductible ($4,500), a higher out-of-pocket maximum ($6,350), higher hospital costs (40 percent of the cost) and possibly higher costs for doctor visits and drugs.

When they shopped around and looked for a different plan on California's new health insurance marketplace, Covered California, the cheapest one was $975, with hefty deductibles and copays.

In a speech in Boston last week, President Obama said those receiving cancellation letters didn’t have good insurance. “There are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who've got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident,” he said.

“Remember, before the Affordable Care Act, these bad-apple insurers had free rein every single year to limit the care that you received, or use minor preexisting conditions to jack up your premiums or bill you into bankruptcy. So a lot of people thought they were buying coverage, and it turned out not to be so good.”

What is going on here? Kaiser isn’t a “bad apple” insurer and this plan wasn’t “cut rate.” It seems like this is a lose-lose for the Hammacks (and a friend featured in a report last month by the public radio station KQED.)

What ever will they do? The wanted this, but now it's hitting too close to home. They'll have to pay twice as much for less. Affordable Care Act? Maybe the "act" part is correct...

So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”

There is no amount of spin that can change the facts. Obamacare is a clusterfuck.

Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare - ProPublica

leftardism is a brain traum, clearly

 

[Vox]

Well, its nice to see some "Cradle Democrats" get a dose of what they insisted on.

And, rather than learn a lesson in what Socialism will ultimately do to you, what's their first idea?

To lower their income intentionally so as to qualify for a govmint subsidy.

You can't cure a Cradle Democrat.

it's a brain disease

 

[bendog]

Well, its nice to see some "Cradle Democrats" get a dose of what they insisted on.

And, rather than learn a lesson in what Socialism will ultimately do to you, what's their first idea?

To lower their income intentionally so as to qualify for a govmint subsidy.

You can't cure a Cradle Democrat.

it's a brain disease

Nothing here that can't be fixed with an infusion of tax revenue. (-: (Like nobody saw that coming)

 

[Katzndogz]

I remember when insurance companies lowered costs by moving from blanket plans to cafeteria style plans. It used to be insurance covered just about everything but routine doctor visits. That was part of the deductible. Then the companies decided to move to cafeteria style plans where you only picked the coverage you wanted. If you didn't want maternity care or baby care you didn't have to pay for it. A reasonably healthy person could just get hospitalization or even just catastrophic.

Now we are paying high premiums for someone else's care, not your own, someone else's.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Well, its nice to see some "Cradle Democrats" get a dose of what they insisted on.

And, rather than learn a lesson in what Socialism will ultimately do to you, what's their first idea?

To lower their income intentionally so as to qualify for a govmint subsidy.

You can't cure a Cradle Democrat.

it's a brain disease

Nothing here that can't be fixed with an infusion of tax revenue. (-: (Like nobody saw that coming)

Taxes would increase either way because between skyrocketing health care costs and increasingly expensive, unaffordable insurance policies that constantly decrease in actual benefits, we all end up paying anyway.

It's pay now or pay later because human health care is inevitable, it is not about risk.

 

[boedicca]

it's a brain disease

Nothing here that can't be fixed with an infusion of tax revenue. (-: (Like nobody saw that coming)

Taxes would increase either way because between skyrocketing health care costs and increasingly expensive, unaffordable insurance policies that constantly decrease in actual benefits, we all end up paying anyway.

It's pay now or pay later because human health care is inevitable, it is not about risk.

Cognitive thinking certainly isn't your strong suit, bub.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

it's a brain disease

Nothing here that can't be fixed with an infusion of tax revenue. (-: (Like nobody saw that coming)

Taxes would increase either way because between skyrocketing health care costs and increasingly expensive, unaffordable insurance policies that constantly decrease in actual benefits, we all end up paying anyway.

It's pay now or pay later because human health care is inevitable, it is not about risk.

What you're describing is obamacare.

 

[bripat9643]

The fact is that everyone will be paying a lot more for the same coverage because of the regulation that forces insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions. Also the money to subsidize policies for low income people will come out of the policies of people who aren't receiving policies. Then there are all the new treatments that have to be covered like abortions, birth control, sex change operations, psychiatric care and substance abuse treatment. You have to pay for this stuff whether you want it or not.

 

[kwc57]

Notice that Obama's apology was that people's were having their policies cancelled. There was no apology for knowing it would happen back in 2010 and lying about it until now. It's like telling your child to apologize for hitting soneone and they say, "I'm sorry that you did something to make me hit you".

Exactly. He's like a 4 year old.

Now he's doubling down on the lie by blaming "crappy" policies and "bad apple" insurers....Really? He's truly a pathetic liar.

But his sycophants are worse. They defend his lies and deflect, even when faced with the truth.

Yep, the insurers are simply doing what they're doing because they have to comply with the Obamacare law and regulations.