Oreshnik.... unstoppable missile?

[Mushroom]

Does Russia make high quality titanium?
Or do they make Russian quality titanium?

They make titanium. Absolutely no different than titanium made anywhere else.

Just as Russian Gold is no different than any other gold. It's just... gold. No better or no worse than gold available anywhere else on the planet.

 

[Zavulon]

"Rude", as in what? It is effective in killing bad guys, and is damned near indestructible?

And you are talking gold purity, that is something completely different. Refine that 555 gold into 999 gold, it is absolutely no different than any other gold.

That brings up something important, do you actually know anything about gold? For those that do not know, 999 gold is 99% pure, or commonly called "24 karat gold". That is what is used in coins and bullion. 555 gold is also known in jewelry as "12 karat gold", the amount that is most common in jewelry. And here is the big difference, nobody uses 24 karat gold in jewelry. About the highest I have ever seen is 18 karat gold, but that is rare. A few times I have seen 16 karat gold, once again fairly rare. 14 and 12 karat are much more common. Then you have 10 and even 8 karat, largely used in better quality costume jewelry.

But here is the thing, they would all start as 24 karat gold. Ether from bullion, or reclaimed from older jewelry where it is melted down, then refined back into 24 karat gold. Then other metals, most commonly copper is then added. So that 12 karat gold ring? Is most likely 50% gold and 50% copper.

But remember in the past when I mentioned "fungibility"? Gold is gold, it does not matter what the source is. It can be South Africa, Brazil, the US, Russia, Greece, it does not matter at all. It is all the exact same thing, the "999 or 555" you brought up is simply how pure it was refined. And based on that, what the ultimate use is. 999 for electronics and bullion, 555 for jewelry. But even that 555 started as 999 before it was mixed with other metals (once again normally copper) to achieve the hardness they wanted. Because gold is damned soft, and 999 jewelry other than as a pendant is damned stupid.

Maybe I should mention that among my many jobs, one I rarely bring up is that I worked as a pawn broker for several years. And as doing such, I learned a hell of a lot about things like gold and jewelry. Of course, that is in addition to my decades of being an amateur prospector.

Maybe you should actually take a moment here, and look up a term that is rather important that I have already dropped several times. And that is "fungibility".

Fungibility: What It Means and Why It Matters

Fungibility is the interchangeability of a good or asset with other specific goods/assets of the same type. It simplifies trade and exchange processes.

www.investopedia.com

I did not just use that term lightly, it is literally true when talking about things like gold or titanium. Or steel, or copper, or Light Sweet Crude, or soybeans, or Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice, or anything else. It does not matter worth a damn where it came from, it is all the exact same thing. Then you turn right around and try to vomit in the difference between smelted purity between gold for bullion and gold primarily for jewelry. Because that is the only industry that I am aware of that even cares about or buys 555 gold. The jewelry industry, because that is what most jewelry is made out of. 12 karat gold.

Just more proof that you really have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about. You just vomit up silly propaganda, not even knowing what you are talking about even means.

Titanium per se is pretty same. But titanium alloys are different, and, as 12 karat gold and 24 karat gold have different purposes, same way different titanium alloys have different purposes. And some of them are literally Unobtanium for the USA.

Titanium alloys - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Zavulon]

They make titanium. Absolutely no different than titanium made anywhere else.

Just as Russian Gold is no different than any other gold. It's just... gold. No better or no worse than gold available anywhere else on the planet.

Gold is gold, titanium is titanium. But there is the difference between 12 karat gold and 24 karat gold, or between alpha, beta, omega titanium or between Grade I and Grade VII titanium alloys.

 

[Mushroom]

Titanium per se is pretty same. But titanium alloys are different, and, as 12 karat gold and 24 karat gold have different purposes, same way different titanium alloys have different purposes. And some of them are literally Unobtanium for the USA.

What, are you even trying to claim that they can not buy it from Canada and Australia?

BTW, the current price of titanium on the open market is around US$6 per kilogram. And FYI, that is for actual titanium. Apparently once again you do not seem to comprehend how this all works.

Just as like with copper, cold, or any other commodity, titanium is traded as a bulk pure ore. And just like with gold or anything else, it is up to the end user to turn that into an alloy. So once again, you are spouting pure nonsense. Such as it being "unobtainable", as it is regularly traded every day on the open market.

But please, give us some kind of reference of it being unavailable. Oh, there was a brief shortage early in 2023, because of the sanctions on Russia. But that was only for a couple of months, as China, Canada and Australia happily jumped in and provided all that was needed. In fact, they provided to much that the global price today is almost 1/3 of what it was when Russia invaded Ukraine. At that point, it was actually selling for US$20.89 per kilogram. But today, the current price on the International market is US$5.91 per kilogram.

And when ever have commodity prices ever plummeted like that if there is a shortage?

So come on, I have had more than enough of your babble. Give us an actual reference to back up your nonsensical claims.

Of course, I do not expect a single reference, simply more coprolite being spun that makes no sense.

 

[Mushroom]

Gold is gold, titanium is titanium. But there is the difference between 12 karat gold and 24 karat gold

WTF?

Gold is gold, all gold when it leaves a refining facility is 24 karat. Period, all gold. Does not matter where it came from, or what the purity is when it arrived at the refining facility. Once it is refined, it's all 24 karat. The difference is not in the gold itself, but for the intended end use.

You really are just talking in circles, without understanding a single thing you are saying.