Peace or Consequences...

[pbel]

It is becoming fairly obvious that the right wing stranglehold on Israeli Politics will lead Israel to an end game of a non Jewish State…It’s a tough pill for the Right Wing to swallow, peace now or the consequences later.

YOUR FRIENDS' ACTIVITYprev next Bill Clinton:

Israel must make peace to survive
Associated PressBy IAN DEITCH and DIAA HADID | Associated Press – 2 hrs 7 mins agoEmail 0Share 56Tweet0Share0PrintFILE - In this Jan. 21, 2013 file photo, Naftali Bennett, head of the Jewish Home party, touches the stones of the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray, in Jerusalem's Old City. The idea of Palestinians establishing a state in the territory they seek has "reached a dead end," Naftali Bennett, economics minister, said Monday, June 17, 2013, in the latest remarks by hard-liners that appear to contradict the country's official support for a "two-state solution" to its conflict with the Palestinians. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner, File)
View PhotoAssociated Press/Sebastian Scheiner, File - FILE - In this Jan. 21, 2013 file photo, Naftali Bennett, head of the Jewish Home party, touches the stones of the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray, …more in Jerusalem's Old City. The idea of Palestinians establishing a state in the territory they seek has "reached a dead end," Naftali Bennett, economics minister, said Monday, June 17, 2013, in the latest remarks by hard-liners that appear to contradict the country's official support for a "two-state solution" to its conflict with the Palestinians. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner, File) less
JERUSALEM (AP) — Former President Bill Clinton urged Israel to make peace with Palestinians in order to survive as a Jewish and democratic state at a conference Monday evening, adding his voice to a chorus of prominent pro-Israel figures warning of the urgency of peacemaking for the country's own survival.

Clinton spoke hours after an Israeli Cabinet minister declared that the Palestinians would not establish a state in territory Israel controls.

It underscored a chasm between the country's official support for creating an independent Palestinian state and the hard-line opponents who dominate Israel's ruling coalition.
Repeating arguments made for years by Israeli doves and centrists, Clinton warned that increasing numbers of Palestinians under Israeli rule will ultimately force the country to lose either its Jewish majority or its democratic nature if Palestinians are not given equal rights as citizens.

"Is it really okay with you if Israel has a majority of its people living within your territory who are not now, and never will be, allowed to vote?" Clinton asked at a conference in central Israel honoring President Shimon Peres, who is turning 90.

"If it is, can you say with a straight face that you'll be a democracy? If you let them vote, can you live with not being a Jewish state? And if you can't live with one of those things, then you are left with trying to cobble together some theory of a two-state solution," he said, with a Palestinian state next to Israel.

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[HistoryBefore67]

Okay, so Israel choses "peace."

What does that mean?

Who gets what land?
What will become of the "Palestinian" demand for a right of return?
Will the "Palestinians" stop teaching their children to hate Jews?
Will the "Palestinians" denounced the goal of capturing all the land "from river to sea"?
What of the terrorist organizations, including Hamas?
How will this impact the Syrian claim for the Golan?
Will Egypt open its border with Gaza?
What role will Jordan play?

The truth is that Israel has offered many concessions over the years (particularly during Clinton's tenure) to try to reach out to the "Palestinians" and "make peace." In return, they've received Intifadas, a Hamas-controlled Gaza, rockets and terrorist attacks.

Don't be a child.

If you want to advocate for peace, accept the reality of the situation, and attack the real cause of the problem, which does not lie with Israel's leadership.

 

[toastman]

Agreed, the Palestinians better accept the next peace offer or they will have dire consequences

 

[pbel]

Agreed, the Palestinians better accept the next peace offer or they will have dire consequences

You keep talking about the dire consequences to the Palestinians who are Israel's smallest problem and portion of 1.4 billion Muslims...Sure you can kill and abuse them, they are un-armed. But the Muslims will not give up the fight...Clinton knows that, he's trying to save the Jewish State.

 

[toastman]

Agreed, the Palestinians better accept the next peace offer or they will have dire consequences

You keep talking about the dire consequences to the Palestinians who are Israel's smallest problem and portion of 1.4 billion Muslims...Sure you can kill and abuse them, they are un-armed. But the Muslims will not give up the fight...Clinton knows that, he's trying to save the Jewish State.

LOL . Again with bringing up the surrounding Muslim population ?? That means nothing .

And the way you say "you can kill un armed civilians" , it's like the IDF wakes up in the morning and just goes shooting Palestinians for fun. Palestinians are responsible for their deaths just about all the time, so stop it with the 'unarmed' excuse, it's outdated.

Since when do the losers of the war dictate the terms of a peace proposition and since when do the losers of the war expect the winners of the war to surrender.

The '67 border are not going to happen, they've already refused those offers.
Right of return is not going to happen , for obvious reasons.

Israel has already made concessions, and that has accomplished nothing.

If Israel offers another peace deal, and the Palestinians refuse it AGAIN, it's game over for them.

 

[pbel]

Agreed, the Palestinians better accept the next peace offer or they will have dire consequences

You keep talking about the dire consequences to the Palestinians who are Israel's smallest problem and portion of 1.4 billion Muslims...Sure you can kill and abuse them, they are un-armed. But the Muslims will not give up the fight...Clinton knows that, he's trying to save the Jewish State.

LOL . Again with bringing up the surrounding Muslim population ?? That means nothing .

And the way you say "you can kill un armed civilians" , it's like the IDF wakes up in the morning and just goes shooting Palestinians for fun. Palestinians are responsible for their deaths just about all the time, so stop it with the 'unarmed' excuse, it's outdated.

Since when do the losers of the war dictate the terms of a peace proposition and since when do the losers of the war expect the winners of the war to surrender.

The '67 border are not going to happen, they've already refused those offers.
Right of return is not going to happen , for obvious reasons.

Israel has already made concessions, and that has accomplished nothing.

If Israel offers another peace deal, and the Palestinians refuse it AGAIN, it's game over for them.

You really ought to get your history straight! All of Israel's wars have been with ALL her neighbors not the Palestinians who never had a state to declare war...Stay snug...Thus far in the last 1700 hundred years save Israel’s 65 years of occupation they have prevailed through attrition and demographics.. Time is their ally...

 

[toastman]

You keep talking about the dire consequences to the Palestinians who are Israel's smallest problem and portion of 1.4 billion Muslims...Sure you can kill and abuse them, they are un-armed. But the Muslims will not give up the fight...Clinton knows that, he's trying to save the Jewish State.

LOL . Again with bringing up the surrounding Muslim population ?? That means nothing .

And the way you say "you can kill un armed civilians" , it's like the IDF wakes up in the morning and just goes shooting Palestinians for fun. Palestinians are responsible for their deaths just about all the time, so stop it with the 'unarmed' excuse, it's outdated.

Since when do the losers of the war dictate the terms of a peace proposition and since when do the losers of the war expect the winners of the war to surrender.

The '67 border are not going to happen, they've already refused those offers.
Right of return is not going to happen , for obvious reasons.

Israel has already made concessions, and that has accomplished nothing.

If Israel offers another peace deal, and the Palestinians refuse it AGAIN, it's game over for them.

You really ought to get your history straight! All of Israel's wars have been with ALL her neighbors not the Palestinians who never had a state to declare war...Stay snug...Thus far in the last 1700 hundred years save Israel’s 65 years of occupation they have prevailed through attrition and demographics.. Time is their ally...

YOU ought to get your history straight. I was referring to the 6 day war only where the West Bank was captured. You know, the land that the Palestinians want as their own?? They captured it from JORDAN with the Palestinians living in it (btw, they tried to return it to Jordan right after the war for a peace deal, but the Jordanians refused, mainly because they didn't want to deal with the Palestinians)