Proof Obama Lied in Debate

The liars always quote the above without quoting what follows.

Notice the difference between the above, out of context, and below, in context:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act.

The lines the liars like the OP always leave out directly connect 'acts of terror', the so-called 'generalization',

to the four Americans killed in Benghazi, i.e., the specific reference they are so comically trying to claim doesn't exist in the president's rose garden message.

Four MORE Americans as the president says, thus including the act of terror against them as one of the acts of terror he referenced.

btw, this nonsense from the liars like the OP was all put to rest on this board last year; they've dug up the lie dusted it off and are trying to resussitate it.

Not gonna happen.



1. The White House never called Benghazi an act of terror until September 20th.
"Matt Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, was the first administration official to call it “a terrorist attack” during a Sept. 19 congressional hearing. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did the same on Sept. 20. Even so, Obama declined opportunities to call it a terrorist attack when asked at a town hall meeting on Sept. 20 and during a taping of “The View” on Sept. 24."
FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline


2." The president did seem to suggest in his Rose Garden speech that a reason for the Benghazi attack was the video. Obama said: “Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None.”
FactCheck.org : FactChecking the Hofstra Debate


3. "Note that in all three cases, the language is not as strong as Obama asserted in the debate. Obama declared that he said “that this was an act of terror.” But actually the president spoke in vague terms, usually wrapped in a patriotic fervor. One could presume he was speaking of the incident in Libya, but he did not affirmatively state that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.”
The Obama-Romney clash over Libya - The Washington Post

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Your rebuttal is to repeat what you originally said, again out of context? Good one.

I've proven beyond any doubt that he specifically referred to Benghazi as an act of terror in his rose garden remarks.

That you wish to deny the proven has absolutely no effect on what's been proven. The Holocaust deniers haven't made the Holocaust disappear,

nor will your denials make the proof I've provided disappear.

It's too bad the term Mongoloid Idiot fell into disuse. You could have had a title.
Summing and bottom feeding again NYCarbineer? You want to lecture about integrity while using terms to mock real Human Beings like "Mongoloid Idiot"? That's really classy. Spend a little more time than you should have, at the Bar during Cocktail Hour? Does that explain it. Better watch out, that .05 Alcohol blood level will be in effect, soon enough. Will that be a problem for you?
 
1. The White House never called Benghazi an act of terror until September 20th.
"Matt Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, was the first administration official to call it “a terrorist attack” during a Sept. 19 congressional hearing. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did the same on Sept. 20. Even so, Obama declined opportunities to call it a terrorist attack when asked at a town hall meeting on Sept. 20 and during a taping of “The View” on Sept. 24."
FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline


2." The president did seem to suggest in his Rose Garden speech that a reason for the Benghazi attack was the video. Obama said: “Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None.”
FactCheck.org : FactChecking the Hofstra Debate


3. "Note that in all three cases, the language is not as strong as Obama asserted in the debate. Obama declared that he said “that this was an act of terror.” But actually the president spoke in vague terms, usually wrapped in a patriotic fervor. One could presume he was speaking of the incident in Libya, but he did not affirmatively state that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.”
The Obama-Romney clash over Libya - The Washington Post

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Your rebuttal is to repeat what you originally said, again out of context? Good one.

I've proven beyond any doubt that he specifically referred to Benghazi as an act of terror in his rose garden remarks.

That you wish to deny the proven has absolutely no effect on what's been proven. The Holocaust deniers haven't made the Holocaust disappear,

nor will your denials make the proof I've provided disappear.

It's too bad the term Mongoloid Idiot fell into disuse. You could have had a title.
Summing and bottom feeding again NYCarbineer? You want to lecture about integrity while using terms to mock real Human Beings like "Mongoloid Idiot"? That's really classy. Spend a little more time than you should have, at the Bar during Cocktail Hour? Does that explain it. Better watch out, that .05 Alcohol blood level will be in effect, soon enough. Will that be a problem for you?

Political Chic includes a personal insult in at least every other post she makes, so I respond in kind and I'm the villain? lolol

Stick to what you know, whatever that is.
 
Here's his answer:

" The Fact Checker spent nine years as diplomatic correspondent for The Washington Post, and such nuances of phrasing are often very important. A president does not simply utter virtually the same phrase three times in two days about a major international incident without careful thought about the implications of each word."
The Obama-Romney clash over Libya - The Washington Post


Of course, that hardly compares to your credentials as "Obama Boot-Licker."

1. Can you name any relevant examples of 'acts of terror' that cannot with reasonable accuracy also be described as 'acts of terrorism'.

2. Can you name any relevant examples of 'acts of terrorism' that cannot with reasonable accuracy also be described as 'acts of terror'?

3. Referencing my other post about Bush and Hamas, can you tell us why Bush CHOSE to call those Hamas attacks on Israel an 'act of terror' instead of an 'act of terrorism'?

So you admit that the FactChecker knows and understands nuance?

Therefore his conclusion that Obama didn't indict terrorism, rather he shifted the blame to the video, is the case?


So glad you didn't concede that earlier....I wouldn't have had as much fun.

Acts of violence committed over a political/anti-religious video are acts of terror.

Why would citing the video, even if in error, be shifting away from terrorism? Do you believe for example that the people who killed the cartoonist for anti-Muslim cartoons were not committing acts of terror?

Do you even know what the word terror means in this context?
 
Here's his answer:

" The Fact Checker spent nine years as diplomatic correspondent for The Washington Post, and such nuances of phrasing are often very important. A president does not simply utter virtually the same phrase three times in two days about a major international incident without careful thought about the implications of each word."
The Obama-Romney clash over Libya - The Washington Post


Of course, that hardly compares to your credentials as "Obama Boot-Licker."

1. Can you name any relevant examples of 'acts of terror' that cannot with reasonable accuracy also be described as 'acts of terrorism'.

2. Can you name any relevant examples of 'acts of terrorism' that cannot with reasonable accuracy also be described as 'acts of terror'?

3. Referencing my other post about Bush and Hamas, can you tell us why Bush CHOSE to call those Hamas attacks on Israel an 'act of terror' instead of an 'act of terrorism'?

So you admit that the FactChecker knows and understands nuance?

Therefore his conclusion that Obama didn't indict terrorism, rather he shifted the blame to the video, is the case?


So glad you didn't concede that earlier....I wouldn't have had as much fun.

So factcheckers are now infallible?

Well Politifact said that Obama was telling the truth at the debate,

thus proving you wrong. Case closed.

We went to the transcript, and the president has a point. On September 12, the day after the attack, in the Rose Garden, Obama condemned the attack and said, "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."

In the days since, some have parsed Obama's remarks and argued he didn't say the Benghazi attack was specifically an act of terror. However, given the overall context of his comments, it seems a fair conclusion that he was including the attack in the "acts of terror" that he said would never shake American resolve.


http://www.politifact.com/
 
Poor butt hurt 'Conservatives' still cannot fathom that the majority of Americans think that they are completely around the bend. This idiocy about Benghazi is just strenghing that judgement.
 
The video that spawned the spontaneous protest/terror attack also causes global climate warming change

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1. Can you name any relevant examples of 'acts of terror' that cannot with reasonable accuracy also be described as 'acts of terrorism'.

2. Can you name any relevant examples of 'acts of terrorism' that cannot with reasonable accuracy also be described as 'acts of terror'?

3. Referencing my other post about Bush and Hamas, can you tell us why Bush CHOSE to call those Hamas attacks on Israel an 'act of terror' instead of an 'act of terrorism'?

So you admit that the FactChecker knows and understands nuance?

Therefore his conclusion that Obama didn't indict terrorism, rather he shifted the blame to the video, is the case?


So glad you didn't concede that earlier....I wouldn't have had as much fun.

So factcheckers are now infallible?

Well Politifact said that Obama was telling the truth at the debate,

thus proving you wrong. Case closed.

We went to the transcript, and the president has a point. On September 12, the day after the attack, in the Rose Garden, Obama condemned the attack and said, "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."

In the days since, some have parsed Obama's remarks and argued he didn't say the Benghazi attack was specifically an act of terror. However, given the overall context of his comments, it seems a fair conclusion that he was including the attack in the "acts of terror" that he said would never shake American resolve.


http://www.politifact.com/

He played it safe politically with that statement. Ambiguity. He is very adept, at word games.
 
The greatest treachery of the election cycle was committed by Candy Crowley during the debate. She not only certified an answer by Obama...i.e., that he had claimed Benghazi was a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden speech....

....but she was dead wrong.
I leave it to each to decide if you lied or was merely mistaken.




The point is....Obama knew....he lied.

1."(CNN) -- Conservative critics have launched an attack on CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, who moderated Tuesday's second presidential debate, after she corrected former Gov. Mitt Romney's claim that President Barack Obama did not refer to the consulate attack in Benghazi as an "act of terror."

a. Obama said in the debate that on September 12, he called the attack in Libya that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, an "act of terror." Romney, however, disputed the claim, and said the president had not called it an "act of terror" for 14 days. Crowley correctly stated that Obama had used the term "act of terror" during remarks at The White House the day after the attack. Romney was mistaken.

b. Crowley correctly stated that Obama had used the term "act of terror" during remarks at The White House the day after the attack. Romney was mistaken."
The truth about what Candy Crowley said - CNN.com




2. Notice the subtle change from 'the Benghazi attack was an act of terror....'
to the more general 'No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation,..." which is what he actually said. Full Transcript of Obama's Rose Garden Speech After Sept. 11 Benghazi Attack - October 16 12 10:31 EDT - ForexTV.com

a. And- this generalization was after he said this:
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None."

An obvious reference to the pretend-provenance of the attack: the video.
There is no other way these four sentences make sense.




3. Gregory Hicks (C), Foreign Service Officer and former Deputy Chief of Mission/Charge d’Affairs in Libya, spoke to Hillary Clinton the night of the attack...and made clear that there was no video-protest.
Dems Circle Wagons Around Hillary As Benghazi Whistleblowers Signal 2016 Attacks - Forbes

a. Hillary to father of slain: We'll “make sure that the person who made that film was arrested.” Ibid.




4. Further, he went on to speak at the UN, continuing the charade,...
"During his address to the United Nations today in New York City, President Obama again blamed violent Islamic riots in the Middle East on a video....six times."
Obama to UN: "Crude and Disgusting Video Sparked Outrage" - Katie Pavlich

a. Attack....September 11th......Rose Garden....September 12.....UN speech September 25
...Obama continues with the lie to this day.




5. Need more?

Ok: if Obama actually believed that the attack was related to the video.....

"Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference"
Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

....why was it necessary to remove terrorist references???





So....let's review.

a. The video has nothing to do with the Benghazi attack

b. The Obama White House knew this immediately

c. They had an opportunity to save those Americans....and chose, instead, to insure re-election...they told reinforcements to stand down.

d. Hillary looked him in the eye and lied to the father of a victim

e. Obama lied at the debate; he was abetted by Candy Crowley

f. The Obama White House made sure that 'terror attack' was not in the report.

g. To this day, he is lying about involvement in the cover-up



Now....if this has no importance.....why should the charges against Nixon have any?

Why are those of you on the right so thick that you need Obama to tell you that such an attack is an act of terrorism. The same with the Boston bombings.


Well thanks for admitting the truth, now tell NY he didnt call it terrorism...

Because it was so fucking obvious.
 
1. You claimed Obama lied IN THE DEBATE.

2. Post the lie. Find the transcript of the debate, use your mouse to copy the lie, then post it here, in quotes, with a link to the transcript.

3. Please.



This is all you have left?
Well, actually, you have been beaten from pillar to post in this thread.....

Yup, he lied in the debate in claiming that the identified Benghazi as a terrorist attack, when what he did was push the lie that it was the video.

But you knew that, didn't you.

Since it's already been proven here that he did in fact identify Benghazi as an act of terror,

what are you claiming the lie is?

Quote the debate.



I love doing this.


"Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims

The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

....changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia,..."
Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard


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This is all you have left?
Well, actually, you have been beaten from pillar to post in this thread.....

Yup, he lied in the debate in claiming that the identified Benghazi as a terrorist attack, when what he did was push the lie that it was the video.

But you knew that, didn't you.

Since it's already been proven here that he did in fact identify Benghazi as an act of terror,

what are you claiming the lie is?

Quote the debate.



I love doing this.


"Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims

The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

....changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia,..."
Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard


Raspberry Boy - YouTube[/url


That has absolutely nothing to do with your false claim that President Obama lied in the debate.
 
The greatest treachery of the election cycle was committed by Candy Crowley during the debate. She not only certified an answer by Obama...i.e., that he had claimed Benghazi was a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden speech....

....but she was dead wrong.
I leave it to each to decide if you lied or was merely mistaken.




The point is....Obama knew....he lied.

1."(CNN) -- Conservative critics have launched an attack on CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, who moderated Tuesday's second presidential debate, after she corrected former Gov. Mitt Romney's claim that President Barack Obama did not refer to the consulate attack in Benghazi as an "act of terror."

a. Obama said in the debate that on September 12, he called the attack in Libya that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, an "act of terror." Romney, however, disputed the claim, and said the president had not called it an "act of terror" for 14 days. Crowley correctly stated that Obama had used the term "act of terror" during remarks at The White House the day after the attack. Romney was mistaken.

b. Crowley correctly stated that Obama had used the term "act of terror" during remarks at The White House the day after the attack. Romney was mistaken."
The truth about what Candy Crowley said - CNN.com




2. Notice the subtle change from 'the Benghazi attack was an act of terror....'
to the more general 'No acts of terror
will ever shake the resolve of this great nation,..." which is what he actually said. Full Transcript of Obama's Rose Garden Speech After Sept. 11 Benghazi Attack - October 16 12 10:31 EDT - ForexTV.com

a. And- this generalization was after he said this:
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None."

An obvious reference to the pretend-provenance of the attack: the video.
There is no other way these four sentences make sense.




3. Gregory Hicks (C), Foreign Service Officer and former Deputy Chief of Mission/Charge d’Affairs in Libya, spoke to Hillary Clinton the night of the attack...and made clear that there was no video-protest.
Dems Circle Wagons Around Hillary As Benghazi Whistleblowers Signal 2016 Attacks - Forbes

a. Hillary to father of slain: We'll “make sure that the person who made that film was arrested.” Ibid.




4. Further, he went on to speak at the UN, continuing the charade,...
"During his address to the United Nations today in New York City, President Obama again blamed violent Islamic riots in the Middle East on a video....six times."
Obama to UN: "Crude and Disgusting Video Sparked Outrage" - Katie Pavlich

a. Attack....September 11th......Rose Garden....September 12.....UN speech September 25
...Obama continues with the lie to this day.





5. Need more?

Ok: if Obama actually believed that the attack was related to the video.....

"Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference"
Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

....why was it necessary to remove terrorist references???





So....let's review.

a. The video has nothing to do with the Benghazi attack

b. The Obama White House knew this immediately

c. They had an opportunity to save those Americans....and chose, instead, to insure re-election...they told reinforcements to stand down.

d. Hillary looked him in the eye and lied to the father of a victim

e. Obama lied at the debate; he was abetted by Candy Crowley

f. The Obama White House made sure that 'terror attack' was not in the report.

g. To this day, he is lying about involvement in the cover-up



Now....if this has no importance.....why should the charges against Nixon have any?

An apparent "non-issue".
 
Since it's already been proven here that he did in fact identify Benghazi as an act of terror,

what are you claiming the lie is?

Quote the debate.



I love doing this.


"Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims

The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

....changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia,..."
Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard


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That has absolutely nothing to do with your false claim that President Obama lied in the debate.





To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.
Thomas Paine
 
"Bob Woodward: Obama Administration Didn’t Tell Truth on Benghazi (Video)"

Bob Woodward: Obama Administration Didn?t Tell Truth on Benghazi (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Bob Woodward was ridiculed on Huffington Post. Shall I post the link? LOL

And you're ridiculed daily,.....what does that have to do with anything?



"The State Department, under Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton, created an arrangement for her longtime aide and confidante Huma Abedin to work for private clients as a consultant while serving as a top adviser in the department.

Ms. Abedin did not disclose the arrangement — or how much income she earned — on her financial report. It requires officials to make public any significant sources of income."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/ny...aide.html?_r=0


Not Bob Schieffer????

"‘Is Anybody Home’? CBS’ Bob Schieffer Goes After Admin For Pleading Ignorance About Benghazi, IRS, AP"
?Is Anybody Home?? CBS? Bob Schieffer Goes After Admin For Pleading Ignorance About Benghazi, IRS, AP | Mediaite



"I’ve been told today by several reporters that President Obama’s White House counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler, knew for several days — perhaps weeks —that some Internal Revenue Service officials were engaging in political targeting of conservative groups, and that she did not tell the president as soon as she knew even partial reports about the story.

With all due respect to someone who has impeccable legal credentials, if she did have such foreknowledge and didn’t inform the president immediately, I respectfully suggest Ms. Ruemmler is in the wrong job and that she should resign."

White House counsel should resign if she knew about IRS abuses - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com
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Folks who have identified Obama scandals, and have suggested that Obama is Nixon-like include arch liberals Joe Klein, former New York Times general counsel James Goodale, constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald, Jonathan Turley – perhaps the top constitutional law expert in the United States,...
Top Constitutional Experts: Obama Is Worse than Nixon | Washington's Blog


....Liberal radio host Bill Press is calling for Obama to fire Eric Holder. Charley Rangel says, “No one believes that the president has given us a sufficient answer [to the IRS and DOJ scandals].”
» Stunner: who is suddenly telling liberal jackals to attack Obama? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


Dana Milbank puts it: “Nixon was a control freak. Obama seems to be the opposite: He wants no control over the actions of his administration. As the president distances himself from the actions of ‘independent’ figures within his administration, he’s creating a power vacuum in which lower officials behave as though anything goes.” That’s not exculpatory: a president is responsible for the abuses of his administration whether he orders them directly or simply creates the conditions in which they can happen.
Obama: Nixon in Reverse | The American Conservative




How ya' like me now????????????????????????
 
"Bob Woodward: Obama Administration Didn’t Tell Truth on Benghazi (Video)"

Bob Woodward: Obama Administration Didn?t Tell Truth on Benghazi (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Bob Woodward was ridiculed on Huffington Post. Shall I post the link? LOL

And you're ridiculed daily,.....what does that have to do with anything?

By "riff raff", who are made up of bigots, racists and the mentally disturbed. LOL.



"The State Department, under Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton, created an arrangement for her longtime aide and confidante Huma Abedin to work for private clients as a consultant while serving as a top adviser in the department.

Ms. Abedin did not disclose the arrangement — or how much income she earned — on her financial report. It requires officials to make public any significant sources of income."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/ny...aide.html?_r=0


Not Bob Schieffer????

"‘Is Anybody Home’? CBS’ Bob Schieffer Goes After Admin For Pleading Ignorance About Benghazi, IRS, AP"
?Is Anybody Home?? CBS? Bob Schieffer Goes After Admin For Pleading Ignorance About Benghazi, IRS, AP | Mediaite



"I’ve been told today by several reporters that President Obama’s White House counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler, knew for several days — perhaps weeks —that some Internal Revenue Service officials were engaging in political targeting of conservative groups, and that she did not tell the president as soon as she knew even partial reports about the story.

With all due respect to someone who has impeccable legal credentials, if she did have such foreknowledge and didn’t inform the president immediately, I respectfully suggest Ms. Ruemmler is in the wrong job and that she should resign."

White House counsel should resign if she knew about IRS abuses - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com
__________________


Folks who have identified Obama scandals, and have suggested that Obama is Nixon-like include arch liberals Joe Klein, former New York Times general counsel James Goodale, constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald, Jonathan Turley – perhaps the top constitutional law expert in the United States,...
Top Constitutional Experts: Obama Is Worse than Nixon | Washington's Blog


....Liberal radio host Bill Press is calling for Obama to fire Eric Holder. Charley Rangel says, “No one believes that the president has given us a sufficient answer [to the IRS and DOJ scandals].”
» Stunner: who is suddenly telling liberal jackals to attack Obama? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


Dana Milbank puts it: “Nixon was a control freak. Obama seems to be the opposite: He wants no control over the actions of his administration. As the president distances himself from the actions of ‘independent’ figures within his administration, he’s creating a power vacuum in which lower officials behave as though anything goes.” That’s not exculpatory: a president is responsible for the abuses of his administration whether he orders them directly or simply creates the conditions in which they can happen.
Obama: Nixon in Reverse | The American Conservative




How ya' like me now????????????????????????

I don't like you any better than I did, the day of our first exchange. Why do you care? I don't care if you like me or not.
Oh, and then there is this: Obama Approval Rating Not Hurt By Scandals: CNN/ORC International Poll

That's going to leave a scar....on your pudenda.
 

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