Puerto Rico Independence?

[Donald Polish]

i am not afraid to tell MY truth. As an American citizens who was shocked at the history of Puerto Rico(PR) from 1898 onward I have to ask if the US should let PR go.
Specifically the US constitution doesn't apply in PR, and you can't vote for president or even an official vote in the house or senate.

• Is PR independence a viable solution, if not, why?
• What could be done to have the Constitution apply to PR?
• Isn't statehood just cementing a colonial expansion from a hundred years ago?
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[OKTexas]

Have you ever been to PR? And yes the Constitution applies to PR, they are not a State so they don't have the privileges afforded States but all else applies.

 

[ScienceRocks]

In 2012 a majority voted to join the United states. Our congress won't bring it up for a vote.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No PR independence. Won't happen. Go shine your shoes; that will be more productive than continuing the OP.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The US has so thoroughly screwed over PR. We trashed their agriculture and manufacturing and left them nothing for it except poverty.

They have a representative in congress, except that he can't vote.

What we have done to them is just inexcusable and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we now deserted them completely and called it "independence".

 

[Donald Polish]

No PR independence. Won't happen. Go shine your shoes; that will be more productive than continuing the OP.

You are so polite and obstructive. Now please show me your teeth.
I want to see your arguments. Why are you against PR independence? Are you one of those Jewish colonialists sitting in the Congress?

 

[TheOldSchool]

I don't think there's really any momentum for Puerto Rico to become a state anytime soon, and the U.S. has too much invested in Puerto Rico to let it go. So what we're left with is a semi-dysfunctional relationship. Contrary to popular belief, Puerto Ricans pay federal taxes. In exchange they get basically protection, and certain economic benefits. For example Americans don't need a passport to travel there which drives much of their tourism industry.

If America let go of PR who knows what the hell would happen there? Which is why they won't.

For all the PR haters there are a lot of amazing things there that you cannot experience ANYWHERE in the U.S. Hawaii included. Though they have their own unique positives.

Travel there! See it for yourself!

 

[OKTexas]

I don't think there's really any momentum for Puerto Rico to become a state anytime soon, and the U.S. has too much invested in Puerto Rico to let it go. So what we're left with is a semi-dysfunctional relationship. Contrary to popular belief, Puerto Ricans pay federal taxes. In exchange they get basically protection, and certain economic benefits. For example Americans don't need a passport to travel there which drives much of their tourism industry.

If America let go of PR who knows what the hell would happen there? Which is why they won't.

For all the PR haters there are a lot of amazing things there that you cannot experience ANYWHERE in the U.S. Hawaii included. Though they have their own unique positives.

Travel there! See it for yourself!

Yep, PR is a great place, desert, rain forest, great beaches for swimming, snorkeling and scuba. Casinos and great tourist hotels, unfortunately there are plenty of criminals that will shoot you for a watch or a gold chain, even though the have strict gun control laws. All in all it can be a very fun place to visit, you need to use caution just like anywhere else.

 

[Mr. H.]

The US has so thoroughly screwed over PR. We trashed their agriculture and manufacturing and left them nothing for it except poverty.

They have a representative in congress, except that he can't vote.

What we have done to them is just inexcusable and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we now deserted them completely and called it "independence".

If only I spoke Spanish...I'd be rich.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-consider-puerto-ricans-disabled-because-they-speak-spanish/

 

[Claudette]

All the territoris should be independent.

Every time it comes up for a vote they lose.

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. They like being a territory because it costs them nothing and gains them loads.

Kick the territories out the door and take back all those freebies they have been receiving.

 

[JoeB131]

Peurto Rico doesn't want to be an independent country, and the Republicans don't want to make it a state and give the Democrats 2 more senators and 8 more congressmen.

 

[|electric|foxy|]

Republicans don't want to make it a state and give the Democrats 2 more senators and 8 more congressmen

It's clear

Peurto Rico doesn't want to be an independent country

Who said that? Every country wants to be independent from others. You need to organize and hold referendum to know if it's true or not.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

It's an island of welfare bums. Lets get rid of them.

 

[jwoodie]

I want to see your arguments. Why are you against PR independence? Are you one of those Jewish colonialists sitting in the Congress?

It sounds like you are having an argument with yourself. PR can become independent if its wants to, but most of its people don't want to give up the benefits of U.S. citizenship without having to pay U.S. income taxes.

 

[OKTexas]

The US has so thoroughly screwed over PR. We trashed their agriculture and manufacturing and left them nothing for it except poverty.

They have a representative in congress, except that he can't vote.

What we have done to them is just inexcusable and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we now deserted them completely and called it "independence".

LINK?