Remember when the Left was so pro socialist for Venezuela? How democracy elects tyrants.

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On Venezuela, Bernie Sanders has a lot more explaining to do

While conservative headlines have seldom failed to lambaste Bernie Sanders for his unforgivable sympathies to Latin American-style socialism, the last several weeks have seen a disappointing shortage of coverage on the subject — at a time it would seem most appropriate.

www.washingtontimes.com

When Mr. Chavez took power, the people of Venezuela were not outraged or pessimistic; his victory was celebrated by millions. As earth-shattering as his election seemed, the conditions that laid the groundwork for it were gradual and subtle, beginning with the nationalization of the petroleum industry in the 1970s and culminating with Mr. Chavez’s eventual annihilation of the Venezuelan people’s most fundamental liberties from 1999 to 2013.


Now, in the face of such harrowing abuses across Venezuela today, from onerous bread lines to rampant police brutality to astronomical hyperinflation, we cannot afford to let politicians like Mr. Sanders — figures with such duplicitous sympathies to ruthless tyrants like Chavez and Mr. Maduro — infiltrate public policy here in the United State.

And with people like Bernie Sanders as cheerleader for them the entire way. Chavez and company repackaged Marxism as a "Third Way", saying they would do it right this time, unlike the former USSR and North Korea.

When will people wake the hell up?

Anyone?

Once your freedoms are gone, they are gone.

And no, I have no hope for the people of Venezuela in getting the freedoms and wealth back that they once had.

Elections have consequences.

 

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Simply put, there is no way to embrace Marxism without embracing centralized state control.

This centralized power then can only lead to ruin due to man's flawed nature regarding ultimate power.

Chavez could not overcome putting on the ring of power, and no one else can either.

 

[JoeB131]

Simply put, there is no way to embrace Marxism without embracing centralized state control.

This centralized power then can only lead to ruin due to man's flawed nature regarding ultimate power.

Chavez could not overcome putting on the ring of power, and no one else can either.

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Chavez was democratically elected.

So after 20 years of sanctions, we've bullied the people of Venezuela to put in a government we approve of.

I don't think that's anything to be proud of.

 

[Votto]

Chavez was democratically elected.

So after 20 years of sanctions, we've bullied the people of Venezuela to put in a government we approve of.

I don't think that's anything to be proud of.

The US bullied Venezuela into becoming a despotic state?

Are you saying that Marxists are dependent on support from Capitalist countries?

Do tell. How many are needed to prevent other Marxist regimes from winding up like Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea, etc.?

 

[JoeB131]

The US bullied Venezuela into becoming a despotic state?

Are you saying that Marxists are dependent on support from Capitalist countries?

Do tell. How many are needed to prevent other Marxist regimes from winding up like Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea, etc.?

Are you fucking retarded?

I keep asking myself that every time I read your posts.

If you look at NK or Cuba, you see countries where the west has used the economic imbalances created by imperialism to isolate and punish them. We could have democracy in those countries a lot quicker by saying, "whatever dude" and normalizing relations with them.

But we don't. Too much money to be made with the status quo.

 

[ColonelAngus]

No widespread voter fraud in Venezuela. If you say so, you are racist.

 

[Votto]

Are you fucking retarded?

I keep asking myself that every time I read your posts.

If you look at NK or Cuba, you see countries where the west has used the economic imbalances created by imperialism to isolate and punish them. We could have democracy in those countries a lot quicker by saying, "whatever dude" and normalizing relations with them.

But we don't. Too much money to be made with the status quo.

I'm not following your solution here

Is it to eradicate all wealth in Capitalist countries?

Does poverty make society and government righteous?

Or is it for Marxists to take up Capitalism like we see with China?

 

[Votto]

No widespread voter fraud in Venezuela. If you say so, you are racist.

I think the Left is accepting the notion that there is voter fraud now in Venezuela.

But people like Joe now blame Capitalism

It reminds me of people who blame all their problems on one person, usually a parent or someone they were once married too.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not following your solution here

Is it to eradicate all wealth in Capitalist countries?

Does poverty make society and government righteous?

Or is it for Marxists to take up Capitalism like we see with China?

Well, if you can't follow an argument, that's due to your own learning disability.

Poverty exists in the third world because the first world looted it for 100s of years.

 

[Votto]

Well, if you can't follow an argument, that's due to your own learning disability.

Poverty exists in the third world because the first world looted it for 100s of years.

I see, so Marxists states are always poor because Capitalist ones loot them.

It has nothing to do with their leadership looting the country.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[22lcidw]

Chavez was democratically elected.

So after 20 years of sanctions, we've bullied the people of Venezuela to put in a government we approve of.

I don't think that's anything to be proud of.

A Prog and his Democracy. To build wealth, it may take time. Patience is difficult and men with all of the answers show up. Most 2nd and 3rd world nations that use a lot of socialism have a lot of corruption. Corruption exists as it is. Growth is slowed as the trickle down is limited.

 

[ColonelAngus]

I think the Left is accepting the notion that there is voter fraud now in Venezuela.

But people like Joe now blame Capitalism

It reminds me of people who blame all their problems on one person, usually a parent or someone they were once married too.

Anyone who looks at Venezuela and wants to mimic that country is fucked in the head.

However, that is every dumb fuck lefty.