Russia Sanctions Bill

[usmbguest5318]

Trump made a point of noting how many pieces of legislation he's signed. He's also turned several of his executive order signings into ceremonial affairs. Now, the first major piece of important and unique-to-the-Trump-presidency legislation to come his way -- S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 -- is on his desk, and, quite frankly, nearing "pocket veto" status.

• Do you think Trump will sign the bill or allow it to "default" into law?
• What's he waiting for and why? He can't alter the bill's language.

The bill had resounding support in Congress and is considered veto-proof. Is he trying to save face with his Russian buddy, Putin, maybe wanting to be able to say that he didn't actually sign it?



Summary of the Bill:

This bill provides that the following executive orders, as in effect on January 1, 2017, and any sanctions imposed pursuant to such orders, shall remain in effect: (1) Executive Order 13694 (relating to blocking property of certain persons engaging in significant malicious cyber-enabled activities); (2) Executive Orders 13660, 13661, and 13662 (relating to blocking property of certain persons contributing to the situation in Ukraine); and (3) Executive Order 13685 (relating to blocking property of certain persons and prohibiting certain transactions with respect to the Crimea region of Ukraine).

Before taking any action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation, the President shall submit to specified congressional committees a report that: (1) describes the proposed action; and (2) certifies that the Russian government has ceased ordering or supporting acts intended to undermine Ukraine's peace, security, stability,sovereignty, or territorial integrity and has ceased cyber attacks against the U.S. government and U.S. persons and entities.

During the 120-day period following a report's submission: (1) the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs shall review such report and certification, and (2) the President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of such sanctions.

The President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation: (1) for 12 days after the date of passage by both Houses of Congress of a congressional joint resolution disapproving such action, (2) for 10 days after the the President vetoes such joint resolution, and (3) if such joint resolution is enacted as provided for by this bill.
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[Pete7469]

Wait till Waterhead Schlitz gets indicted.

Xelor will be paid to do 4 russia threads per day.

 

[OldLady]

Trump made a point of noting how many pieces of legislation he's signed. He's also turned several of his executive order signings into ceremonial affairs. Now, the first major piece of important and unique-to-the-Trump-presidency legislation to come his way -- S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 -- is on his desk, and, quite frankly, nearing "pocket veto" status.

• Do you think Trump will sign the bill or allow it to "default" into law?
• What's he waiting for and why? He can't alter the bill's language.

The bill had resounding support in Congress and is considered veto-proof. Is he trying to save face with his Russian buddy, Putin, maybe wanting to be able to say that he didn't actually sign it?



Summary of the Bill:

This bill provides that the following executive orders, as in effect on January 1, 2017, and any sanctions imposed pursuant to such orders, shall remain in effect: (1) Executive Order 13694 (relating to blocking property of certain persons engaging in significant malicious cyber-enabled activities); (2) Executive Orders 13660, 13661, and 13662 (relating to blocking property of certain persons contributing to the situation in Ukraine); and (3) Executive Order 13685 (relating to blocking property of certain persons and prohibiting certain transactions with respect to the Crimea region of Ukraine).

Before taking any action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation, the President shall submit to specified congressional committees a report that: (1) describes the proposed action; and (2) certifies that the Russian government has ceased ordering or supporting acts intended to undermine Ukraine's peace, security, stability,sovereignty, or territorial integrity and has ceased cyber attacks against the U.S. government and U.S. persons and entities.

During the 120-day period following a report's submission: (1) the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs shall review such report and certification, and (2) the President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of such sanctions.

The President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation: (1) for 12 days after the date of passage by both Houses of Congress of a congressional joint resolution disapproving such action, (2) for 10 days after the the President vetoes such joint resolution, and (3) if such joint resolution is enacted as provided for by this bill.
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I thought he signed it days ago. Huh.

 

[tinydancer]

This bill is insane. If those on Capitol Hill believe the EU is going to stand for the US punishing European countries for doing business with Russia, they will learn a very hard lesson up and coming.

This is a lose lose situation and these measures taken are highly unnecessary. A trade war could potentially ensue. Trump will be between a rock and a hard place.

News
Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions
Germany's economy minister has urged the EU to consider countermeasures against the US after it imposed new sanctions against Russia. Brigitte Zypries has said the US sanctions end up affecting German firms.

Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions | News | DW | 31.07.2017

 

[TNHarley]

They are/did making adjustments.
Pence told reporters on Tuesday that Trump would sign a bill on a new package of U.S. sanctions against Russia, adding the package was "improved significantly."

The bill underwent revisions to address concerns voiced by American oil and natural gas companies that sanctions specific to Russia's energy sector could backfire on them to Moscow's benefit. U.S. lawmakers said they also made adjustments so the sanctions on Russia's energy sector didn't undercut the ability of U.S. allies in Europe to get access to oil and gas resources outside of Russia.

Pence pledges support for Georgia, condemns Russian moves

 

[OKTexas]

Trump made a point of noting how many pieces of legislation he's signed. He's also turned several of his executive order signings into ceremonial affairs. Now, the first major piece of important and unique-to-the-Trump-presidency legislation to come his way -- S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 -- is on his desk, and, quite frankly, nearing "pocket veto" status.

• Do you think Trump will sign the bill or allow it to "default" into law?
• What's he waiting for and why? He can't alter the bill's language.

The bill had resounding support in Congress and is considered veto-proof. Is he trying to save face with his Russian buddy, Putin, maybe wanting to be able to say that he didn't actually sign it?



Summary of the Bill:

This bill provides that the following executive orders, as in effect on January 1, 2017, and any sanctions imposed pursuant to such orders, shall remain in effect: (1) Executive Order 13694 (relating to blocking property of certain persons engaging in significant malicious cyber-enabled activities); (2) Executive Orders 13660, 13661, and 13662 (relating to blocking property of certain persons contributing to the situation in Ukraine); and (3) Executive Order 13685 (relating to blocking property of certain persons and prohibiting certain transactions with respect to the Crimea region of Ukraine).

Before taking any action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation, the President shall submit to specified congressional committees a report that: (1) describes the proposed action; and (2) certifies that the Russian government has ceased ordering or supporting acts intended to undermine Ukraine's peace, security, stability,sovereignty, or territorial integrity and has ceased cyber attacks against the U.S. government and U.S. persons and entities.

During the 120-day period following a report's submission: (1) the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs shall review such report and certification, and (2) the President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of such sanctions.

The President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation: (1) for 12 days after the date of passage by both Houses of Congress of a congressional joint resolution disapproving such action, (2) for 10 days after the the President vetoes such joint resolution, and (3) if such joint resolution is enacted as provided for by this bill.
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You are aware that the bill deals with more than just Russia, RIGHT? And he said he will sign it.


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[g5000]

What does our rezident FSB troll think about all this?

This bill is insane.

Ah! We must be doing the right thing.

IGermany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions | News | DW | 31.07.2017

From that link:

The Kremlin meanwhile retaliated on Sunday, ordering the US to cut around 60 percent of its diplomatic staff based in Russia. While the cuts will affect US embassy and consular operations in Russia, it does not carry the same political weight as expelling US diplomats - a move carefully calibrated by Russian President Vladimir Putin to appear tough on Washington without severing US investment ties or his relationship with US President Donald Trump.

 

[g5000]

Trump made a point of noting how many pieces of legislation he's signed. He's also turned several of his executive order signings into ceremonial affairs. Now, the first major piece of important and unique-to-the-Trump-presidency legislation to come his way -- S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 -- is on his desk, and, quite frankly, nearing "pocket veto" status.

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To prevent a pocket veto, all Congress has to do is present the bill to Trump 10 days before recess. Thanks to Trump's incompetence in the health care debacle, the normal recess at the end of July has been postponed until the third week of August.

 

[usmbguest5318]

This bill is insane. If those on Capitol Hill believe the EU is going to stand for the US punishing European countries for doing business with Russia, they will learn a very hard lesson up and coming.

This is a lose lose situation and these measures taken are highly unnecessary. A trade war could potentially ensue. Trump will be between a rock and a hard place.

News
Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions
Germany's economy minister has urged the EU to consider countermeasures against the US after it imposed new sanctions against Russia. Brigitte Zypries has said the US sanctions end up affecting German firms.

Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions | News | DW | 31.07.2017

Dude, your post is entirely off-topic. The thread/OP is about S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017, not actual sanctions against Russia.

Do you know what S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 does? What it doesn't do is impose sanctions. It doesn't have anything, with regard to Russia, to do with the EU's activities, or anyone's activities other than the POTUS'. You''d know that were you to have read it (a link to it is in the OP), or at least read the summary of it that is found in the OP.

 

[usmbguest5318]

They are/did making adjustments.
Pence told reporters on Tuesday that Trump would sign a bill on a new package of U.S. sanctions against Russia, adding the package was "improved significantly."

The bill underwent revisions to address concerns voiced by American oil and natural gas companies that sanctions specific to Russia's energy sector could backfire on them to Moscow's benefit. U.S. lawmakers said they also made adjustments so the sanctions on Russia's energy sector didn't undercut the ability of U.S. allies in Europe to get access to oil and gas resources outside of Russia.

Pence pledges support for Georgia, condemns Russian moves

Pence told reporters on Tuesday that Trump would sign a bill on a new package of U.S. sanctions against Russia, adding the package was "improved significantly."

All well and good, I suppose, but the S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 (House equivalent is H.1059) doesn't contain sanctions. The latest bill that contains sanctions against Russia is S.94 (I don't know whether the House have introduced their equivalent version of it), which is a very different thing and not the topic of this thread.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Trump made a point of noting how many pieces of legislation he's signed. He's also turned several of his executive order signings into ceremonial affairs. Now, the first major piece of important and unique-to-the-Trump-presidency legislation to come his way -- S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 -- is on his desk, and, quite frankly, nearing "pocket veto" status.

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To prevent a pocket veto, all Congress has to do is present the bill to Trump 10 days before recess. Thanks to Trump's incompetence in the health care debacle, the normal recess at the end of July has been postponed until the third week of August.

Recess has nothing to do with it. Adjournment, as the description of "pocket veto" indicates, does. (click on the terms "adjourn" and "recess" that you'll see on the same page as pocket veto) Congress can recess without adjourning and it can adjourn without recessing. It can also do neither, either or both.

Congress won't go into recess for about two weeks, so the 10-day thing is moot because Trump already has the bill. Maybe Trump thinks knows?) something will happen in the next few days that will cause Congress to change its mind about the the Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017? That is the only thing I can think of that will cause that bill not to go into effect (regardless of the means used to make that be).

 

[g5000]

Trump has no choice but to sign the sanctions bill. Otherwise he will suffer the humiliation of a public spanking by having his veto overridden by both parties.

 

[flacaltenn]

This bill is insane. If those on Capitol Hill believe the EU is going to stand for the US punishing European countries for doing business with Russia, they will learn a very hard lesson up and coming.

This is a lose lose situation and these measures taken are highly unnecessary. A trade war could potentially ensue. Trump will be between a rock and a hard place.

News
Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions
Germany's economy minister has urged the EU to consider countermeasures against the US after it imposed new sanctions against Russia. Brigitte Zypries has said the US sanctions end up affecting German firms.

Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions | News | DW | 31.07.2017

Dude, your post is entirely off-topic. The thread/OP is about S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017, not actual sanctions Russia.

Do you know what S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 does? What it doesn't do is impose sanctions. It doesn't have anything, with regard to Russia, to do with the EU's activities, or anyone's activities other than the POTUS'. You''d know that were you to have read it (a link to it is in the OP), or at least read the summary of it that is found in the OP.

No, but it completely HOBBLES the Chief Exec from making Foreign Policy corrections that Congress will screw up. As they DID with actual sanctions bill. No Chief Exec is gonna have their hands tied when THEY are the ones that have to FACE and explain to the G20 -- the idiot moves that Congress makes..

 

[busybee01]

Trump signed it for 1 reason. His ego. He was told a veto would be overridden and Trump wants to be on the winning side. Just like the healthcare bill. Her didn't care what was in it as long as he could sign something and take credit for it.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Trump signed it for 1 reason. His ego. He was told a veto would be overridden and Trump wants to be on the winning side. Just like the healthcare bill. Her didn't care what was in it as long as he could sign something and take credit for it.

Did he just now sign it?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Trump made a point of noting how many pieces of legislation he's signed. He's also turned several of his executive order signings into ceremonial affairs. Now, the first major piece of important and unique-to-the-Trump-presidency legislation to come his way -- S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 -- is on his desk, and, quite frankly, nearing "pocket veto" status.

• Do you think Trump will sign the bill or allow it to "default" into law?
• What's he waiting for and why? He can't alter the bill's language.

The bill had resounding support in Congress and is considered veto-proof. Is he trying to save face with his Russian buddy, Putin, maybe wanting to be able to say that he didn't actually sign it?



Summary of the Bill:

This bill provides that the following executive orders, as in effect on January 1, 2017, and any sanctions imposed pursuant to such orders, shall remain in effect: (1) Executive Order 13694 (relating to blocking property of certain persons engaging in significant malicious cyber-enabled activities); (2) Executive Orders 13660, 13661, and 13662 (relating to blocking property of certain persons contributing to the situation in Ukraine); and (3) Executive Order 13685 (relating to blocking property of certain persons and prohibiting certain transactions with respect to the Crimea region of Ukraine).

Before taking any action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation, the President shall submit to specified congressional committees a report that: (1) describes the proposed action; and (2) certifies that the Russian government has ceased ordering or supporting acts intended to undermine Ukraine's peace, security, stability,sovereignty, or territorial integrity and has ceased cyber attacks against the U.S. government and U.S. persons and entities.

During the 120-day period following a report's submission: (1) the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs shall review such report and certification, and (2) the President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of such sanctions.

The President may not take action to waive or otherwise limit the application of sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation: (1) for 12 days after the date of passage by both Houses of Congress of a congressional joint resolution disapproving such action, (2) for 10 days after the the President vetoes such joint resolution, and (3) if such joint resolution is enacted as provided for by this bill.
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I thought he signed it days ago. Huh.

Nope. He hasn't yet signed it.

 

[g5000]

This bill is insane. If those on Capitol Hill believe the EU is going to stand for the US punishing European countries for doing business with Russia, they will learn a very hard lesson up and coming.

This is a lose lose situation and these measures taken are highly unnecessary. A trade war could potentially ensue. Trump will be between a rock and a hard place.

News
Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions
Germany's economy minister has urged the EU to consider countermeasures against the US after it imposed new sanctions against Russia. Brigitte Zypries has said the US sanctions end up affecting German firms.

Germany calls for EU countermeasures against US following Russian sanctions | News | DW | 31.07.2017

Dude, your post is entirely off-topic. The thread/OP is about S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017, not actual sanctions Russia.

Do you know what S.341 - Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017 does? What it doesn't do is impose sanctions. It doesn't have anything, with regard to Russia, to do with the EU's activities, or anyone's activities other than the POTUS'. You''d know that were you to have read it (a link to it is in the OP), or at least read the summary of it that is found in the OP.

No, but it completely HOBBLES the Chief Exec from making Foreign Policy corrections that Congress will screw up. As they DID with actual sanctions bill. No Chief Exec is gonna have their hands tied when THEY are the ones that have to FACE and explain to the G20 -- the idiot moves that Congress makes..

What a hypocrite you are.

Show us where you whined about Congress hobbling Obama when they imposed sanctions against Iran and put the same hand tying language in them.

You parroting rubes are just pre-recorded messages provided by your propaganda masters.