saddam's evil

[PubliusInfinitum]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Buried in the Sand - The Deception of America

Do you really want the US to stoop to that level? Oh, of course you do.

Where has the US 'stooped to those levels?'

Just post the argument where ANYTHING APPROACHING THAT LEVEL has been implemented by the US...

Now where I showed video of such Islamic practices... the response was "So because the US is not torturing people THAT BAD you want to excuse it..." wherein the respective idiots admitted by default that the US was not implementing THAT... the "THAT" of which was TORTURE.... yet they still DEMAND TO USE THE WORD WHICH DEFINES "THAT" so as to deceitfully project "THAT" as being what the US is doing... even as they admit that the US IS NOT DOING "THAT!"

Use your head for soemthing other than a porn viewer...

 

[jreeves]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Buried in the Sand - The Deception of America

So what exactly is your point?

I think almost every living american knows that certain small elements of Islam and even some christians are sick fucks. We put Suddam in power and supported him for a couple of decades. Christ! Rumsfeld even supplied him with the helicopter deployment apparatis and chemicals to gas the Kurds.

Partners in Crime: U.S. Complicity in the War Crimes of Saddam Hussein

Common DREAMS? ROFLMNAO Oh GOD that's precious... But that does explain why this fool is constantly spewing this brand of insufferable idiocy.

The US had nothing to do with Saddam coming to power... And the US did not supply Iraq with Chemical or biological weapons; and this without regard to the nonsense being spewed over at CommonDreams... the original "Progressive Ech-chamber"...

The notion that the US supplied CBW (Chemical/Biological Weapons) to Saddam is a misnomer which came from the post 9-11 Anthrax scare...

The US Dept. O'Agriculture has for DECADES a program to sustain the health of international livestock inventories through the destribution of vaccines to third world nations. One of those vaccines is of course a vaccine for Anthrax...

In the midst of the Anthrax scare, some geniuses, who were probably associated with Commondreams, given the propensity for such to be associated with the leftist media... came to discover this program had provided Iraq with this vaccine and this myth was born.

The US government did not provide ANY form of CBW to Iraq; it did not provide any delivery system for such to Iraq and we did not provide any ARMS to Iraq...

Iraq was a sychophant devotee to the SOVIET UNION... it was given and made purchases of SOVIET WEAPONRY... every facet of the Iraqi Military was sourced from the Soviets, with rare exception... some French components and aircraft were purchased after Saddam's entrance in '79... From the Infantry Rifle, the AK47, to the Soviet Jet fighters, to include the mig 25... Iraq was armed to the teeth by the Soviets and the US provided NOTHING of the sort to Iraq.


What the US DID provide was intelligence; specifically satellite photo's of Iranian military movements... but that is about the extent of it.

Yeah, the T-72's aren't American tanks....
T-72 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
he T-72 is a Soviet-designed main battle tank that entered production in 1971.

I would have tried to explain this to them PI but I doubt very seriously if they will or would have grasped it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Don’t you fucking dare lecture liberals on Saddam’s torture. Liberal groups were monitoring and reporting Saddam’s human rights abuses in the 1980s, when your hero Reagan considered Saddam his good ally. You only got interested in Saddam’s torture when your boyfriend Bush needed protection from criticism, in short your concern for saddam’s torture is completely political and dependent on your love affair with George Junior.

Even far right wing Senator James Inhofe noted that liberal human rights groups were calling Saddam out in the 80s:

In 1983 Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International documented that [saddam] executed 8,000 of his own Kurdish citizens aged 13 and older. In 1985, it is reported they executed 315 children between the ages of 8 and 17 In 1988.

In 1990, Amnesty International listed 38 new methods of torture used by Saddam Hussein including mock execution, piercing of the hands with electric drills, electric shocks, sexual abuse, lowering the victims into baths of acid. -- SENATOR JAMES INHOFE (R-OK)

James M. Inhofe - U.S. Senator - Oklahoma

And, in contrast, what were your Reagan Cons doing in the 1980s and 1990, when Saddam was committing his most egregious human rights crimes?

 

[jreeves]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Don’t you fucking dare lecture liberals on Saddam’s torture. Liberal groups were monitoring and reporting Saddam’s human rights abuses in the 1980s, when your hero Reagan considered Saddam his good ally. You only got interested in Saddam’s torture when your boyfriend Bush needed protection from criticism, in short your concern for saddam’s torture is completely political and dependent on your love affair with George Junior.

Even far right wing Senator James Inhofe noted that liberal human rights groups were calling Saddam out in the 80s:

In 1983 Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International documented that [saddam] executed 8,000 of his own Kurdish citizens aged 13 and older. In 1985, it is reported they executed 315 children between the ages of 8 and 17 In 1988.

In 1990, Amnesty International listed 38 new methods of torture used by Saddam Hussein including mock execution, piercing of the hands with electric drills, electric shocks, sexual abuse, lowering the victims into baths of acid. -- SENATOR JAMES INHOFE (R-OK)

James M. Inhofe - U.S. Senator - Oklahoma

And, in contrast, what were your Reagan Cons doing in the 1980s and 1990, when Saddam was committing his most egregious human rights crimes?

What a big surprise your links don't work....

 

[jreeves]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Don’t you fucking dare lecture liberals on Saddam’s torture. Liberal groups were monitoring and reporting Saddam’s human rights abuses in the 1980s, when your hero Reagan considered Saddam his good ally. You only got interested in Saddam’s torture when your boyfriend Bush needed protection from criticism, in short your concern for saddam’s torture is completely political and dependent on your love affair with George Junior.

Even far right wing Senator James Inhofe noted that liberal human rights groups were calling Saddam out in the 80s:

In 1983 Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International documented that [saddam] executed 8,000 of his own Kurdish citizens aged 13 and older. In 1985, it is reported they executed 315 children between the ages of 8 and 17 In 1988.

In 1990, Amnesty International listed 38 new methods of torture used by Saddam Hussein including mock execution, piercing of the hands with electric drills, electric shocks, sexual abuse, lowering the victims into baths of acid. -- SENATOR JAMES INHOFE (R-OK)

James M. Inhofe - U.S. Senator - Oklahoma

And, in contrast, what were your Reagan Cons doing in the 1980s and 1990, when Saddam was committing his most egregious human rights crimes?

Yes and of course liberals are the only one's who care about human's rights. BS....anyone who is human, cares about these types of atrocities.

 

[Red Dawn]

JRReeves-bush lover,

Liberal human rights groups were always monitoring and reporting Saddam's torture.

Your Reagan and Bush-buddies didn't get "concerned" about it, until you wanted a war.

why is that?

 

[jreeves]

JRReeves-bush lover,

Liberal human rights groups were always monitoring and reporting Saddam's torture.

Your Reagan and Bush-buddies didn't get "concerned" about it, until you wanted a war.

why is that?

Completely a distraction attempt.

http://www.conservativehumanrights.com/

Liberals aren't the only ones who care about human rights.

 

[jreeves]

JRReeves-bush lover,

Liberal human rights groups were always monitoring and reporting Saddam's torture.

Your Reagan and Bush-buddies didn't get "concerned" about it, until you wanted a war.

why is that?

Completely a distraction attempt.

Conservative Party Human Rights Commission

Liberals aren't the only ones who care about human rights.

Ah yes liberals are so caring....
http://brighthall.aol.com/2008/12/22/study-conservatives-more-generous-than-liberals/
Liberals don't walk the walk when it comes to helping the poor, left-leaning columnist Nicholas Kristof confesses in a we-can-do-better column for the New York Times Sunday edition.

The only debate is whether conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than liberals, as Arthur Brooks, author of "Who Really Cares," claims, or twice as much as liberals, as a study by Google indicates.

Kristof admits to being "unhappy with my findings," echoing sentiments from the researcher Brooks:

"When I started doing research on charity," Mr. Brooks said, "I expected to find that political liberals - who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did - would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views."

Other findings from the data:

- Conservatives are more likely to donate blood, and more likely to volunteer

- If liberals and moderates donated blood as often as conservatives, the U.S. blood supply would increase by 45 percent

- Conservative donations tend to support religious institutions, while liberal donations shade toward the arts and education (Kristof argues that the former is more likely to help the needy, citing research showing that donations to education disporportionately favor wealthy Americans)

- Conservatives give more to non-secular charities than liberals (when proportion of income is considered)

- The middle class gives less than the working poor

- Individuals from European countries donate far less than Americans, though European governments give more humanitarian aid per capita than the U.S.

Of course, donations are important regardless of the donor's political ideology. These studies are often little more than fun facts for friendly teasing between political rivals.

If you are able to donate - conservative, moderate or liberal - click here for a list of Top Rated Charities to support.

 

[jreeves]

JRReeves-bush lover,

Liberal human rights groups were always monitoring and reporting Saddam's torture.

Your Reagan and Bush-buddies didn't get "concerned" about it, until you wanted a war.

why is that?

Completely a distraction attempt.

Conservative Party Human Rights Commission

Liberals aren't the only ones who care about human rights.

Ah yes liberals are so caring....
Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals - Bright Hall
Liberals don't walk the walk when it comes to helping the poor, left-leaning columnist Nicholas Kristof confesses in a we-can-do-better column for the New York Times Sunday edition.

The only debate is whether conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than liberals, as Arthur Brooks, author of "Who Really Cares," claims, or twice as much as liberals, as a study by Google indicates.

Kristof admits to being "unhappy with my findings," echoing sentiments from the researcher Brooks:

"When I started doing research on charity," Mr. Brooks said, "I expected to find that political liberals - who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did - would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views."

Other findings from the data:

- Conservatives are more likely to donate blood, and more likely to volunteer

- If liberals and moderates donated blood as often as conservatives, the U.S. blood supply would increase by 45 percent

- Conservative donations tend to support religious institutions, while liberal donations shade toward the arts and education (Kristof argues that the former is more likely to help the needy, citing research showing that donations to education disporportionately favor wealthy Americans)

- Conservatives give more to non-secular charities than liberals (when proportion of income is considered)

- The middle class gives less than the working poor

- Individuals from European countries donate far less than Americans, though European governments give more humanitarian aid per capita than the U.S.

Of course, donations are important regardless of the donor's political ideology. These studies are often little more than fun facts for friendly teasing between political rivals.

If you are able to donate - conservative, moderate or liberal - click here for a list of Top Rated Charities to support.

Red Dawn?Red Dawn....where did you go?

 

[Kalam]

umm...umm...from your list of sources....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_rapes_in_the_Bosnian_War

Feel free to challenge it if you find any inaccuracies. I'm not acting as if that article's 100% veracious, and I cited it in conjunction with other sources.

I am an agnostic myself so I have no horse in this race.

Yet you're seemingly buying into the myth of Christian superiority propagated by so many over here.

The systematic torture in this video is horrible and atrocious. I don't believe that we are morally equivalent to these monsters, if we waterboard 3 high level terrorists to retrieve information to keep our citizens safe.

As a whole, we may not be, but certain abuses committed by individual American soldiers have been every bit as reprehensible as al-Qaeda's beheadings and suicide bombings.

You have to admit there are fringe elements of Islam that have tried to hijack the religion. Most muslims are very descent people though.

Sure, but as we've seen, similar fringe elements exist in Christianity and, to some extent, in the US military.

 

[jreeves]

umm...umm...from your list of sources....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_rapes_in_the_Bosnian_War

Feel free to challenge it if you find any inaccuracies. I'm not acting as if that article's 100% veracious, and I cited it in conjunction with other sources.

I am an agnostic myself so I have no horse in this race.

Yet you're seemingly buying into the myth of Christian superiority propagated by so many over here.

The systematic torture in this video is horrible and atrocious. I don't believe that we are morally equivalent to these monsters, if we waterboard 3 high level terrorists to retrieve information to keep our citizens safe.

As a whole, we may not be, but certain abuses committed by individual American soldiers have been every bit as reprehensible as al-Qaeda's beheadings and suicide bombings.

You have to admit there are fringe elements of Islam that have tried to hijack the religion. Most muslims are very descent people though.

Sure, but as we've seen, similar fringe elements exist in Christianity and, to some extent, in the US military.

I don't believe Christianity is superior. I do believe that everyone should be allowed to exercise their religion in whatever way they seem fit. As long as when you are exercising your religion your not infringing on other's rights including there right to a meaningful life.


If you don't trust wiki don't use the site to support your own argument.

The soliders who committed crimes have and will be punished. In most of the societies in which these Islamic terrorists live they will be made heroes. Do you see the difference?

 

[k2skier]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Buried in the Sand - The Deception of America

Have you read; "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger?

The Bushy family is one scary bunch.

 

[jreeves]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Buried in the Sand - The Deception of America

Have you read; "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger?

The Bushy family is one scary bunch.

Maybe you can start a thread on it then and stop hijacking this thread

 

[k2skier]

Has anyone ever watched 'Buried in the sand', It is a documentary of Saddam's torture and killing. Anyone who considers waterboarding stooping to Islamic Extremist's level should see the carnage from this perversion of Islam. If you have a weak stomach, pass on it though...

BTW- commentary is over the top right wing...ignore the commentator and watch the horror

Here are some reviews

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Buried in the Sand - The Deception of America

Have you read; "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger?

The Bushy family is one scary bunch.

Maybe you can start a thread on it then and stop hijacking this thread

It's actually quite a good read.

For all the off topic flaming going on here at USMB, this is only tilting slightly, nowhere near going off topic like most posters here.

Really? Bush, Saddam, middle East, oil, power, money, torture, terrorists, that's hi-jacking & off topic, wow.

 

[jreeves]

Have you read; "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger?

The Bushy family is one scary bunch.

Maybe you can start a thread on it then and stop hijacking this thread

It's actually quite a good read.

For all the off topic flaming going on here at USMB, this is only tilting slightly, nowhere near going off topic like most posters here.

Really? Bush, Saddam, middle East, oil, power, money, torture, terrorists, that's hi-jacking & off topic, wow.

Start your own thread then if it is soooooo good

 

[jreeves]

Have you read; "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger?

The Bushy family is one scary bunch.

Maybe you can start a thread on it then and stop hijacking this thread

It's actually quite a good read.

For all the off topic flaming going on here at USMB, this is only tilting slightly, nowhere near going off topic like most posters here.

Really? Bush, Saddam, middle East, oil, power, money, torture, terrorists, that's hi-jacking & off topic, wow.

Craig Unger, you mean the guy who appeared in Fahrenheit 9/11

'Buried in the Sand', Is actual footage from Saddam's torture. The commentary is over the top right wing but if you watch you gain everything you need to know about Saddam.

Are you and EOTS best friends?