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I also noticed, over the past couple years on interwebz message boards such as this, that cons consistently reference Razzy (Fox- preferred) polls
I wonder why that is. Hmmmm......!
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I also noticed, over the past couple years on interwebz message boards such as this, that cons consistently reference Razzy (Fox- preferred) polls
First you need to know how they arrived at there numbers and when voting you can't choose undecided, so this group, Martin, Traugott and Kennedy, figured a way to test real accuracy while working in the undecided factor, it is a scientific method that was used and it isn't the black and white a simpleton would see.
You do believe in science and research and progressing, correct?
Did you Google the group? Did you see there method and how they arrived at the numbers? Of course not, you just knee jerked!
..........yes, I see...I am not crazy, its the rest of the world........hack.
Rasmussen is a good pollster- He is not a partisan no matter how many times you say he is. He makes money by being accurate not political.
Then why do his numbers always lean conservative?
Are you trying to say that every other polling agency is somehow "liberal-biased", and that Rasmussen is the only one who tell the truth?
DO you even realize how paranoid that sounds?
No matter the spin any liberal poster attempts to put on these numbers- The facts are that even if we give Obama the positive 2.5 RCP lead over Romney it is within the margin of error. For an incumbent president that's not a very good place to be, especially in light of all the negatives in the following areas.
Obama Job Approval
Congressional Job Approval
Direction of Country
Latest State of Union Polls
No matter the spin any liberal poster attempts to put on these numbers- The facts are that even if we give Obama the positive 2.5 RCP lead over Romney it is within the margin of error. For an incumbent president that's not a very good place to be, especially in light of all the negatives in the following areas.
Obama Job Approval
Congressional Job Approval
Direction of Country
Latest State of Union Polls
The point of this thread was not to put "spin" on anything, and I have stated several times that the results putting Obama ahead are probably of no consequence at this point in the race.
The point of the thread was that Rasmussen, specifically, slants its numbers Conservative, and, as a result, it is the only polling agency that any of the right-wingers on this board post about.
Yet Ramussen has an industry wide reputation for accuracy.
Do you realize how paranoid you sound when you accuse him of "leaning conservative"? You could make this claim if he was consistently OFF on his polling results,
Vast...but the fact is...he's not. I know you may not LIKE that...but it's the reality with which you're faced.
And that was decidedly debunked- no matter how many times you claim it was not.
And that was decidedly debunked- no matter how many times you claim it was not.
It was not. Not once.
The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.
Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.
No matter the spin any liberal poster attempts to put on these numbers- The facts are that even if we give Obama the positive 2.5 RCP lead over Romney it is within the margin of error. For an incumbent president that's not a very good place to be, especially in light of all the negatives in the following areas.
Obama Job Approval
Congressional Job Approval
Direction of Country
Latest State of Union Polls
The point of this thread was not to put "spin" on anything, and I have stated several times that the results putting Obama ahead are probably of no consequence at this point in the race.
The point of the thread was that Rasmussen, specifically, slants its numbers Conservative, and, as a result, it is the only polling agency that any of the right-wingers on this board post about.
Yes, I posted a link showing Rasmussen's results from 2008 and their current polling- both of which were/are consistent to actual results i.e. the 2008 election.
That said, here is an accurate analysis.
Rasmussen vs Gallup – what’s going on? | PoliPundit.com
Up until now I have viewed Gallup and Rasmussen as equally reliable in their polling. Generally they have been closer to each other than either was to the other pollsters that publish public polling results. Recently that has changed.
Rasmussen and Gallup are now both producing daily head to head tracking polls on Romney and Obama. Over pretty much the same period Rasmussen shows Romney up 5 and Gallup shows Obama up 7, a 12% difference well outside of either polls MOE. It’s also interesting that, over the last 7-10 days, the Gallup poll has shown a lot more movement than the Rasmussen poll. Pretty strange why are they different? It appears that the reason is that the two polls are using very different assumptions about voter demographics.
Rasmussen is kind enough to publish their demographic assumptions. Rasmussen conducts a three month moving average of the party demographics that each month produces data for a sample set of 45000 voters. So as of the three months from January – March of 2012 their sampling indicated the following party affiliation for the electorate: 36.1% Republican, 32.8% Democrat and 31.1% unaffiliated. This is by far the most comprehensive analysis of voter demographics by party affiliation of any polling organization.
PoliPundit.com
Elections and Politics with a Conservative bent
So that means I'm not a right winger, good to know.
Again where do you get 7.6 because I have looked at most polls and they show a 7.2 Obama win.
So that means I'm not a right winger, good to know.
Again where do you get 7.6 because I have looked at most polls and they show a 7.2 Obama win.
Actually, you're right, it's 7.3%. For some reason I was transposing the poll average number with the final tally.
But that still doesn't change anything. Everyone with 7% or 8% is still closer than Rasmussen.
Ahhh... Never said differently did I? If you want to compute that way then you are correct if you want the more complicated scientific analyzing then it comes out different.
Bottom line all of them were with in the margin of error, so tech, they are all correct and it matters not which of the major polls you follow, they are all close.
Yes, I posted a link showing Rasmussen's results from 2008 and their current polling- both of which were/are consistent to actual results i.e. the 2008 election.
That said, here is an accurate analysis.
Rasmussen vs Gallup whats going on? | PoliPundit.com
Up until now I have viewed Gallup and Rasmussen as equally reliable in their polling. Generally they have been closer to each other than either was to the other pollsters that publish public polling results. Recently that has changed.
Rasmussen and Gallup are now both producing daily head to head tracking polls on Romney and Obama. Over pretty much the same period Rasmussen shows Romney up 5 and Gallup shows Obama up 7, a 12% difference well outside of either polls MOE. Its also interesting that, over the last 7-10 days, the Gallup poll has shown a lot more movement than the Rasmussen poll. Pretty strange why are they different? It appears that the reason is that the two polls are using very different assumptions about voter demographics.
Rasmussen is kind enough to publish their demographic assumptions. Rasmussen conducts a three month moving average of the party demographics that each month produces data for a sample set of 45000 voters. So as of the three months from January March of 2012 their sampling indicated the following party affiliation for the electorate: 36.1% Republican, 32.8% Democrat and 31.1% unaffiliated. This is by far the most comprehensive analysis of voter demographics by party affiliation of any polling organization.
OK, one, your post is a blog from:
PoliPundit.com
Elections and Politics with a Conservative bent
Their byline describes their bias in analysis.
You seriously may as well be linking a post from another poster on this board.
But, putting that aside, the only thing that proves is that Rasmussen uses a different set of variables for its numbers than all the other agencies, (one that is preferred by Conservatives) to produce its consistently biased results.
That doesn't "debunk" anything I've said, if anything it reinforces my point.
Ahhh... Never said differently did I? If you want to compute that way then you are correct if you want the more complicated scientific analyzing then it comes out different.
Bottom line all of them were with in the margin of error, so tech, they are all correct and it matters not which of the major polls you follow, they are all close.
Yep, that is true.
My argument was simply an effort to point out that the criteria used to peg Rasmussen as "the most accurate" was faulty.
Really, statistically, there was like a 10 way tie, including all the pollsters within the margin of error.
Information from a blog is only in error if they are inaccurate- otherwise it is merely a place to find information.
You make absolutely no sense. The facts are that Rasmussen uses a sampling of likely voters that actually favors registered democrats.
They also, unlike Gallup, share that information with the public- In addition their polling of the 2008 presidential election shows them favoring Obama, except a brief period in September, for the win. That data is consistent with their margin of error.
Scott Rasmussen has nothing to gain by skewing his polls- everything to gain by attempting to have accurate numbers. You people need some serious chill time.