Sea levels rise by 'unexpected' amount in 2024: NASA

[ReinyDays]

Sea Levels are rising? Is that why Obama bought 2 hoses on the beach??

The hoses are there to wash off the salt water before you climb the fifty feet of stairs up to the mansions ...

 

[ding]

The ocean is only a small part of that transition ... the atmosphere moves far and away the larger portion of the energy ... how does the ocean melt ice caps or mountain glaciers? ... if not warming the air first ...

No. It’s not a small part. It’s what is driving glaciation and deglaciation of the northern hemisphere. And the northern hemisphere is driving the climate of the planet.

 

[ReinyDays]

No. It’s not a small part. It’s what is driving glaciation and deglaciation of the northern hemisphere. And the northern hemisphere is driving the climate of the planet.

May I see your evidence for this ... starting with what drives ocean currents to begin with ... my claim is based on relatively unfettered air flow over the planet's surface ... for example: Central America stops ocean eddies but not hurricanes ...

Atmospheric circulation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ding]

May I see your evidence for this ... starting with what drives ocean currents to begin with ... my claim is based on relatively unfettered air flow over the planet's surface ... for example: Central America stops ocean eddies but not hurricanes ...

Atmospheric circulation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thread 'It's the Ocean not the Atmosphere, dummy!'

Jul 23, 2024

The role of the ocean in storing, distributing and establishing climate is well known and well understood. Change the currents and you change the climate. Some regions are more sensitive to change than others and have more of a global impact than others. The Arctic is that region. The Little Ice age was triggered by a disruption of the ocean's heat circulation to the Arctic and that when that heat circulation was restored, the planet returned to it's natural interglacial warming trend. The contribution of the Industrial Revolution isn't nothing but all warming is not due to it. 0.22C top...

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[ReinyDays]

Thread 'It's the Ocean not the Atmosphere, dummy!'

Jul 23, 2024

The role of the ocean in storing, distributing and establishing climate is well known and well understood. Change the currents and you change the climate. Some regions are more sensitive to change than others and have more of a global impact than others. The Arctic is that region. The Little Ice age was triggered by a disruption of the ocean's heat circulation to the Arctic and that when that heat circulation was restored, the planet returned to it's natural interglacial warming trend. The contribution of the Industrial Revolution isn't nothing but all warming is not due to it. 0.22C top...

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Yes ... I've refuted your theory before ... atmospheric circulation drives ocean currents ...

Do you understand "force" and why we begin there? ... the force that drives the ocean convection comes from the atmospheric convection ... I didn't say all, I'm saying the most buoyancy forces are in the atmosphere, therefore the atmosphere drives the most amount of energy around the planet ... and by a fairly large margin ...

 

[ding]

Yes ... I've refuted your theory before ... atmospheric circulation drives ocean currents ...

Do you understand "force" and why we begin there? ... the force that drives the ocean convection comes from the atmospheric convection ... I didn't say all, I'm saying the most buoyancy forces are in the atmosphere, therefore the atmosphere drives the most amount of energy around the planet ... and by a fairly large margin ...

Sure you did.

1. Ocean currents establish climate.
2. The ocean is the largest collector of solar energy.
3. The ocean stores the majority of the planet's heat.
4. The ocean is the largest feature of the planet.
5. The mass of the ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere.
6. The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere.
7. The ocean heats the atmosphere.
8. The atmosphere does not heat the ocean.
9. Physical evidence shows that when ocean currents change, the climate changes.
10. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for northern hemisphere glaciation and deglaciation.
11. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the initiation of the Little Ice Age.
12. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the end of the Little Ice Age.

Ever heard of D-O events? Try explaining them without using the ocean.

 

[ding]

Yes ... I've refuted your theory before ... atmospheric circulation drives ocean currents ...

Do you understand "force" and why we begin there? ... the force that drives the ocean convection comes from the atmospheric convection ... I didn't say all, I'm saying the most buoyancy forces are in the atmosphere, therefore the atmosphere drives the most amount of energy around the planet ... and by a fairly large margin ...

The evidence that shows abrupt climate changes caused by the ocean as discussed in these technical papers.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaf5529?adobe_mc=MCMID=24445298415631476812898182430771639861|MCORGID=242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%40AdobeOrg|TS=1723213472

Sudden climate changes in the recent geological record

https://www.science.org/content/article/crippled-atlantic-currents-triggered-ice-age-climate-change

Collapse and rapid resumption of Atlantic meridional circulation linked to deglacial climate changes - Nature

Destabilisation of the Subpolar North Atlantic prior to the Little Ice Age - Nature Communications

Snapshots of mean ocean temperature over the last 700 000 years using noble gases in the EPICA Dome C ice core

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018285800201

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/PA005i004p00469

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010PA0020

 

[jc456]

Sure you did.

1. Ocean currents establish climate.
2. The ocean is the largest collector of solar energy.
3. The ocean stores the majority of the planet's heat.
4. The ocean is the largest feature of the planet.
5. The mass of the ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere.
6. The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere.
7. The ocean heats the atmosphere.
8. The atmosphere does not heat the ocean.
9. Physical evidence shows that when ocean currents change, the climate changes.
10. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for northern hemisphere glaciation and deglaciation.
11. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the initiation of the Little Ice Age.
12. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the end of the Little Ice Age.

Ever heard of D-O events? Try explaining them without using the ocean.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kitchens and bathrooms.

Half empty water bottles in the landfills. That water can't get back into the cycle.

 

[ReinyDays]

The evidence that shows abrupt climate changes caused by the ocean as discussed in these technical papers.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaf5529?adobe_mc=MCMID=24445298415631476812898182430771639861|MCORGID=242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%40AdobeOrg|TS=1723213472

Sudden climate changes in the recent geological record

https://www.science.org/content/article/crippled-atlantic-currents-triggered-ice-age-climate-change

Collapse and rapid resumption of Atlantic meridional circulation linked to deglacial climate changes - Nature

Destabilisation of the Subpolar North Atlantic prior to the Little Ice Age - Nature Communications

Snapshots of mean ocean temperature over the last 700 000 years using noble gases in the EPICA Dome C ice core

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018285800201

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/PA005i004p00469

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010PA0020

So you ... yourself ... don't know which force is active here ... sad ...

 

[ding]

So you ... yourself ... don't know which force is active here ... sad ...

Of course I do. Glaciation and deglaciation of the northern hemisphere resulting in negative and positive feedback of albedo.

Is it really news to you that temperatures in the northern latitudes are higher than they would be without warm ocean currents circulating heat from the Atlantic equatorial regions to the northern latitudes?

 

[ding]

So you ... yourself ... don't know which force is active here ... sad ...

Are you aware of any technical papers that say ocean currents can’t be responsible for abrupt climate change?

 

[ReinyDays]

Of course I do. Glaciation and deglaciation of the northern hemisphere resulting in negative and positive feedback of albedo.

Is it really news to you that temperatures in the northern latitudes are higher than they would be without warm ocean currents circulating heat from the Atlantic equatorial regions to the northern latitudes?

Since when is albedo a force? ... what mass does albedo accelerate? ... too funny ... when I took beginner's physics, albedo was define as a dimensionless ratio of reflected light to incident light ... and ocean water's albedo is 0.06 ... but not a force ...

I don't know of any "technical papers" that say pixie fairy dust doesn't cause abrupt climate change ... what kind of change in 100-year averages is considered "abrupt" ... otherwise you have an oxymoron, "abrupt" and "climate change" mean opposite things ...

Come now ... don't be shy ... try guessing which force is at work here ... for extra credit, where is the work being performed ... for the record, the State of California expects their teenage children to understand this ... first term physics ...

 

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Since when is albedo a force? ... what mass does albedo accelerate? ... too funny ... when I took beginner's physics, albedo was define as a dimensionless ratio of reflected light to incident light ... and ocean water's albedo is 0.06 ... but not a force ...

I don't know of any "technical papers" that say pixie fairy dust doesn't cause abrupt climate change ... what kind of change in 100-year averages is considered "abrupt" ... otherwise you have an oxymoron, "abrupt" and "climate change" mean opposite things ...

Come now ... don't be shy ... try guessing which force is at work here ... for extra credit, where is the work being performed ... for the record, the State of California expects their teenage children to understand this ... first term physics ...

No offense, but you are being an idiot.

 

[jc456]

Half empty water bottles in the landfills. That water can't get back into the cycle.

why is that?

 

[jc456]

No. It’s not a small part. It’s what is driving glaciation and deglaciation of the northern hemisphere. And the northern hemisphere is driving the climate of the planet.

but that's due to circulation of the oceans. Nothing else.

 

[ding]

but that's due to circulation of the oceans. Nothing else.

Which is due to landmass distribution. Especially at the North Pole which is isolated from warm marine currents and sensitive to glaciation.

 

[jc456]

Which is due to landmass distribution. Especially at the North Pole which is isolated from warm marine currents and sensitive to glaciation.

especially there. It's how we get polar vortex's over middle america.

 

[ding]

especially there. It's how we get polar vortex's over middle america.

Especially there because it has glaciated and deglaciated over 30 times during the last 3 million years while the South Pole has remained glaciated but would warm and cool depending on what the North Pole was doing.