Serious discussion on "Diversity, Equity, Inclusion"

[Foxfyre]

I have read post after post at USMB, on X, on Facebook and elsewhere that:

1. Accuse Trump, Musk et al of racism, being Nazis, being fascists or whatever because they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition .

2. Insist that society benefits when DEI is the criteria for hiring, appointments, promotions even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well if diversity is based on skin color I offer this chart for consideration:



And if LGBTQX++++ is to be included as the goal for DEI it further begs the question.

What question?

THIS QUESTION:
How does choosing people based on skin color, sexual orientation, gender preference, ethnicity, etc. improve the quality of life for all Americans? Makes America more free, more secure, more efficient, more effective, more prosperous? How does it make the military better? Commerce and industry better? Those values important to most American better?

Can we keep this more or less on topic and civil?

 

[Votto]

Racist

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Foxfyre, they are all of that and more.

Well, with D.E.I. going out the window so whites will soon be out of basketball.

 

[Foxfyre]

Foxfyre, they are all of that and more.

Well, with D.E.I. going out the window so whites will soon be out of basketball.

How do you figure? Sports have been one area of American life in which DEI has not been a factor at all.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Foxfyre, they are all of that and more.

Well, with D.E.I. going out the window so whites will soon be out of basketball.

Eh .. the best basketball player of all time was white , although.. I could care less.

 

[Leo123]

DEI believers think some people are more worthy than others. Totally racist platform

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

How do you figure? Sports have been one area of American life in which DEI has not been a factor at all.

Jackie Robinson?

Kenny Washington?

Earl Lloyd?

 

[Leo123]

How do you figure? Sports have been one area of American life in which DEI has not been a factor at all.

Yeah, why are there not more whites in football?

 

[Foxfyre]

Eh .. the best basketball player of all time was white , although.. I could care less.

Yup. If DEI was the norm in basketball or football or whatever, most teams wouldn't be overly represented by black people. But the coaches and managers recruit according to ability regardless of anybody's skin color or any other criteria.

Think how boring sporting events would be if most teams had to play several people like me. There's certainly more people like me than there are super talented athletes.

 

[Foxfyre]

Jackie Robinson?

Kenny Washington?

Earl Lloyd?

Which of those people were recruited because of their skin color rather than because of their ability?

 

[Leo123]

Eh .. the best basketball player of all time was white , although.. I could care less.

Guess that was before DEI

 

[IM2]

I have read post after post at USMB, on X, on Facebook and elsewhere that:

1. Accuse Trump, Musk et al of racism, being Nazis, being fascists or whatever because they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition .

2. Insist that society benefits when DEI is the criteria for hiring, appointments, promotions even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well if diversity is based on skin color I offer this chart for consideration:



And if LGBTQX++++ is to be included as the goal for DEI it further begs the question.

What question?

THIS QUESTION:
How does choosing people based on skin color, sexual orientation, gender preference, ethnicity, etc. improves the quality of life for all Americans? Makes America more free, more secure, more efficient, more effective, more prosperous? How does it make the military better? Commerce and industry better? Those values important to most American better?

Can we keep this more or less on topic and civil?

No, because as long as someone white continues asking these questions as if whites have not been the ones who have been hired the most because of the very things you are asking questions about, then the conversation is uncivil from the start.

 

[Meister]

Jackie Robinson?

Kenny Washington?

Earl Lloyd?

Larry Bird, you forgot Larry Bird.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Which of those people were recruited because of their skin color rather than because of their ability?

They were recruited despite their skin color.

You don't get it.

 

[Foxfyre]

No, because as long as someone white continues asking these questions as if whites have not been the ones who have been hired the most because of the very things you are asking questions about, then the conversation is uncivil from the start.

Could you translate that into English please?

 

[Foxfyre]

They were recruited despite their skin color.

You don't get it.

Exactly which means I get it and you're apparently not getting it. They were recruited because of their ability, not because of their skin color. The exact opposite of DEI. If they had been brown or white or Asian, they still would have been recruited because they were great athletes. Period.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Exactly which means I get it and you're apparently not getting it. They were recruited because of their ability, not because of their skin color. The exact opposite of DEI. If they had been brown or white or Asian, they still would have been recruited because they were great athletes. Period.

You have it backwards, as you often do. Apply to Patrick Henry or Liberty.

 

[Marener]

I have read post after post at USMB, on X, on Facebook and elsewhere that:

1. Accuse Trump, Musk et al of racism, being Nazis, being fascists or whatever because they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition .

2. Insist that society benefits when DEI is the criteria for hiring, appointments, promotions even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well if diversity is based on skin color I offer this chart for consideration:



And if LGBTQX++++ is to be included as the goal for DEI it further begs the question.

What question?

THIS QUESTION:
How does choosing people based on skin color, sexual orientation, gender preference, ethnicity, etc. improve the quality of life for all Americans? Makes America more free, more secure, more efficient, more effective, more prosperous? How does it make the military better? Commerce and industry better? Those values important to most American better?

Can we keep this more or less on topic and civil?

That’s not necessarily what DEI means to all people.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Foxfyre, they are all of that and more.

Well, with D.E.I. going out the window so whites will soon be out of basketball.

When you're focusing on skin color and not on qualifications, how do you think that helps us?

 

[Marchimedes]

Yeah, why are there not more whites in football?

Between golf, yachting and summering in the Hamptons who has time?