So Lib's Allow Voter Fraud In Blue States,Yet Wont Allow Legal Voting In Red States.

Notice how none of the liberals on the board will address the fact that Obama took more than 100% of the votes in certain districts, especially in those swing states. It's impossible to get 100%, let alone over that, yet liberals accept it without question. How dumb do you have to be to believe nothing is amiss?

And how many Democrats are double checking results in the swing states? Had it gone the other way, they would have demanded a recount, but since Obama won by getting more votes than there are people, they are cool with that.

Cheating would be so easy, especially if no one is willing to look for signs of cheating.

Many ballots are for actual qualified voters who just didn't go to the polls. Only about 25% of eligible voters bothered in the last election. There are also ballots issued for dead people, non-existent people and probably illegal aliens who registered via motor voter by states who allow them to have regular driver's licenses. There is also a huge problem with dishonest people taking jobs at DMVs just so they can create fake licenses using genuine materials. They get a tidy sum for their little side job and motor voter registration is just a bonus.

People can walk into the polls and give a name that may or may not be theirs, be handed a ballot and vote. Another way to cheat is for dishonest poll workers to fill out the unclaimed ballots at the end of the day and just check off the names on the list and cast the ballots. The ballots appear genuine, since many are, and there would be no appearance of cheating unless a thorough audit was done.

No one has any idea if the legitimate registered voters actually went to the polls or some 'helpful' person did it for them.

I think an audit is in order. Of course, we now have SCYTL company wanting to count ballots all over the world, including the U.S. George Soros is heavily invested in the company and, sadly, there is no paper trail or way to go back and recount ballots or say who voted. Gee, that's a shame that a company does things in a way that prevents us from discovering potential cheating. How convenient.

The problem with an audit is that you can't ask people who they voted for since that is private. Of course, we could get an idea of how many people actually went to the polls, especially in areas where Obama took over a 100% of the votes. Liberals are too chicken shit to even try to discuss that obvious sign of cheating.

The reason people don't want voter ID is because they can't use other people's ballots to vote. And illegals can't vote. Voter ID would keep millions of illegals from deciding who should run our country. It's really as simple as that. It's not, as the racist liberals claim, that minorities are too stupid to obtain a free ID. They sure like to insult minorities by insinuating that they are not as smart or responsible as the rest of the people. It's all bullshit.
 
the days of an honest presidential election are gone, red states will always go red, blue states go blue and the rats will always attempt to rig the purple states every two years!
 
Notice how none of the liberals on the board will address the fact that Obama took more than 100% of the votes in certain districts, especially in those swing states. It's impossible to get 100%, let alone over that, yet liberals accept it without question. How dumb do you have to be to believe nothing is amiss?

And how many Democrats are double checking results in the swing states? Had it gone the other way, they would have demanded a recount, but since Obama won by getting more votes than there are people, they are cool with that.

Cheating would be so easy, especially if no one is willing to look for signs of cheating.

Many ballots are for actual qualified voters who just didn't go to the polls. Only about 25% of eligible voters bothered in the last election. There are also ballots issued for dead people, non-existent people and probably illegal aliens who registered via motor voter by states who allow them to have regular driver's licenses. There is also a huge problem with dishonest people taking jobs at DMVs just so they can create fake licenses using genuine materials. They get a tidy sum for their little side job and motor voter registration is just a bonus.

People can walk into the polls and give a name that may or may not be theirs, be handed a ballot and vote. Another way to cheat is for dishonest poll workers to fill out the unclaimed ballots at the end of the day and just check off the names on the list and cast the ballots. The ballots appear genuine, since many are, and there would be no appearance of cheating unless a thorough audit was done.

No one has any idea if the legitimate registered voters actually went to the polls or some 'helpful' person did it for them.

I think an audit is in order. Of course, we now have SCYTL company wanting to count ballots all over the world, including the U.S. George Soros is heavily invested in the company and, sadly, there is no paper trail or way to go back and recount ballots or say who voted. Gee, that's a shame that a company does things in a way that prevents us from discovering potential cheating. How convenient.

The problem with an audit is that you can't ask people who they voted for since that is private. Of course, we could get an idea of how many people actually went to the polls, especially in areas where Obama took over a 100% of the votes. Liberals are too chicken shit to even try to discuss that obvious sign of cheating.

The reason people don't want voter ID is because they can't use other people's ballots to vote. And illegals can't vote. Voter ID would keep millions of illegals from deciding who should run our country. It's really as simple as that. It's not, as the racist liberals claim, that minorities are too stupid to obtain a free ID. They sure like to insult minorities by insinuating that they are not as smart or responsible as the rest of the people. It's all bullshit.

Yea right, if I'm an illegal alien the first thing I want to do is draw attention to myself by attempting to vote illegally.:cuckoo:
 
Notice how none of the liberals on the board will address the fact that Obama took more than 100% of the votes in certain districts, especially in those swing states. It's impossible to get 100%, let alone over that, yet liberals accept it without question. How dumb do you have to be to believe nothing is amiss?

And how many Democrats are double checking results in the swing states? Had it gone the other way, they would have demanded a recount, but since Obama won by getting more votes than there are people, they are cool with that.

Cheating would be so easy, especially if no one is willing to look for signs of cheating.

Many ballots are for actual qualified voters who just didn't go to the polls. Only about 25% of eligible voters bothered in the last election. There are also ballots issued for dead people, non-existent people and probably illegal aliens who registered via motor voter by states who allow them to have regular driver's licenses. There is also a huge problem with dishonest people taking jobs at DMVs just so they can create fake licenses using genuine materials. They get a tidy sum for their little side job and motor voter registration is just a bonus.

People can walk into the polls and give a name that may or may not be theirs, be handed a ballot and vote. Another way to cheat is for dishonest poll workers to fill out the unclaimed ballots at the end of the day and just check off the names on the list and cast the ballots. The ballots appear genuine, since many are, and there would be no appearance of cheating unless a thorough audit was done.

No one has any idea if the legitimate registered voters actually went to the polls or some 'helpful' person did it for them.

I think an audit is in order. Of course, we now have SCYTL company wanting to count ballots all over the world, including the U.S. George Soros is heavily invested in the company and, sadly, there is no paper trail or way to go back and recount ballots or say who voted. Gee, that's a shame that a company does things in a way that prevents us from discovering potential cheating. How convenient.

The problem with an audit is that you can't ask people who they voted for since that is private. Of course, we could get an idea of how many people actually went to the polls, especially in areas where Obama took over a 100% of the votes. Liberals are too chicken shit to even try to discuss that obvious sign of cheating.

The reason people don't want voter ID is because they can't use other people's ballots to vote. And illegals can't vote. Voter ID would keep millions of illegals from deciding who should run our country. It's really as simple as that. It's not, as the racist liberals claim, that minorities are too stupid to obtain a free ID. They sure like to insult minorities by insinuating that they are not as smart or responsible as the rest of the people. It's all bullshit.

You are perpetrating a mastubatory fantasy.

You have to be pretty stupid to think MILLIONS of illegal aliens would be able to get away with voting under legitimate voters' names.

Seriously. That kind of thing would be detected immediately. As soon as the millions of legitimate voters showed up to vote.

That's why you never hear of that kind of fraud. It is simply impossible.
 
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No one can provide a case of actual fraud which only Voter ID would prevent or stop.

Absentee ballot fraud. Could not be stopped by Voter ID.

Poll worker fraud. Could not be stopped by Voter ID.

Voting in more than one precinct. Could not be stopped by voter ID.

Dead people voting. Voter ID would not remove dead people from registration rolls. Fix what is broken.


Everything else is mental masturbation that does not actually occur in real life.
 
So you have to ask yourself: If Voter ID would not stop voter fraud, how come you are allowing yourselves to be led like sheep into demanding everyone carry national identity papers?

From your government:

DHS Determines 13 States Meet REAL ID Standards

On December 20, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) determined that thirteen states have met the standards of the REAL ID Act of 2005 (“Act”) for driver’s licenses and identification cards and has granted a temporary deferment for all other states and territories.

Secure driver's licenses and identification documents are a vital component of a holistic national security strategy. Law enforcement must be able to rely on government-issued identification documents and know that the bearer of such a document is who he or she claims to be.

Papers! Papers, please! Where are you going, citizen?


Our country is being hijacked by totalitarians left and the right.
 
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The Obama presidency is a fraud in every aspect, from his inability to prove he's a legal citizen to minority poll workers voting multiple times. Our democracy has been hijacked and criminals are running the country (into the ground).
 
Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000
How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

Now I never heard of this organization, and won't say their numbers are correct, but this is staggering if even half is correct........
 
Notice how none of the liberals on the board will address the fact that Obama took more than 100% of the votes in certain districts, especially in those swing states.

Link please.


It's impossible to get 100%, let alone over that, yet liberals accept it without question. How dumb do you have to be to believe nothing is amiss?

I am guessing you are talking about the ballots in one Florida precinct which came out to more than 100 percent.

That is because the ballots were multiple pages and the machine was calibrated to count each page as one ballot.
 
I always believed that before every election, every district had their voter registration totals. in other words, when a result is called in, the votes should not exceed the numbers that are registered. lets same some county in cincinatti calls in 45,000 votes, but the records show that only 38,000 are registered. but no one ever got suspicious when that scenario took place in philly.
 
Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

Please find one in which Voter ID is the only way the fraud could have been caught or prevented.


More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

And invalid registration could be a lot of things, and is most likely the result of people moving to a new voting precinct and not notifying their old precinct they moved. That is not evidence they are voting in both places. Most people realize that would achieve nothing and is not worth the risk. Those that do commit that kind of fraud are stupid and few and far between.

How will Voter ID remove those invalid registrations?

It won't. Fix what is broken instead of adding more government red tape!

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

How will Voter ID remove those dead people?

It won't. Fix what is broken instead of adding more government red tape.


More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
Just because there are people who did not notify their previous state they had moved does not mean they still vote there. You are making up fraud where there is none.

Again, a lot of people being registered in two states does not mean they are voting in two states. If you spent two seconds to stop and think, you would realize how impractical that would be.


How will Voter ID prevent someone from voting in more than one state?

It won't. Fix what is broken instead of adding more government red tape.

True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

Potential? Not proven.

How will Voter ID prevent someone from voting in more than one state?

It won't. Fix what is broken instead of adding more government red tape.

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

Now I never heard of this organization, and won't say their numbers are correct, but this is staggering if even half is correct........

No one denies voter fraud is occuring.

Fraud is just not that widespread. It is very small, and certainly not organized to achieve a swing in an election. You have absolutely no evidence of that.
 
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SFC Ollie, I was right.

You quoted the following from your fraud link:

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

If you then follow the link within that link, you come to another report which says:

Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.

At the bottom of that link is a link to the full report: http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFi...n_reform/Pew_Upgrading_Voter_Registration.pdf

And if you read that report you find:
One reason for these problems is that many
of us are unlikely to live in one voting precinct all our lives:
About one in eight Americans moved during the 2008 and 2010 election years.


One in eight Americans moved. And how many voter registrations did Pew say were invalid?

One in eight.

It is completely illogical to assume an invalid registration caused by someone who moved away is a sign of fraud. It is a sign the existing government system is badly managed and does not have a mechanism to purge voters when they move. There needs to be some kind of feedback mechanism.



Fix what is broken. Voter ID won't fix it.
 
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Why are we so against something as simple as a picture ID?

Makes zero sense since nearly everyone already has one......

I carry one from the state and one Federal....I'll show either one to anyone who needs to see it. it's not a problem. So why is it a problem to show one when you go to vote? BTW in Ohio you don't need a photo ID but any proof of where you live and who you are. An electric bill will do it... I show my picture ID...
 
reality, the far left hates any state that is around 80% white, hard working americans achieving the American dream, F Them! they have too much money, and we are gonna take it from them and give it back to whom they stole it from!
 

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Isn't that what the current voter ID debacle comes down to? Why aren't Democrats investigating voter fraud and illegal voter registration in towns like Chicago, Philly and Los Angeles?
But if they suspect any shenanigans in purple states, it's already a racist issue. If I.D. is required to vote in Texas and North Carolina, they are declared a racist state. But if no ID is required in Blue States, with Democrats running the elections/precincts/counting votes, hey, no big deal, No I.D.? no problem, here, just take this Democrat ballot and go ahead and vote.
That pretty much sums up what is going on in the news this week! Libs fear that blacks as usual wont vote in 2014, therefore giving the house and senate all to the Republicans!:eusa_drool:

How many people have been prosecuted for voter fraud? Next to none.
 

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