Supreme Court rules cities may enforce laws against homeless encampments

[martybegan]

So, they can now ticket homeless people that have no money

What happens when they do not pay the ticket.

Are the citizens of the local area up for footing the bill to jail them all?

Better than letting them take over public spaces.

You are looking only for the perfect solution, The real world deals in good enough.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Better than letting them take over public spaces.

You are looking only for the perfect solution, The real world deals in good enough.

Are the citizens of the local area up for footing the bill to jail them all?

Do they even have jail space for them all?

 

[progressive hunter]

Are the citizens of the local area up for footing the bill to jail them all?

Do they even have jail space for them all?

your assuming none of them will just move along and go to your city,,

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Better than letting them take over public spaces.

You are looking only for the perfect solution, The real world deals in good enough.

Agree.

There is no 'right to homeless' in the public square.

 

[martybegan]

Are the citizens of the local area up for footing the bill to jail them all?

Do they even have jail space for them all?

The idea is to force them into some treatment or make them actually want to get out of their situation.

I'm sure the local and State police can figure something out with the courts. That's why we have them in the first place.

Again, expecting perfection robs you of the ability to accept good enough.

 

[progressive hunter]

Agree.

There is no 'right to homeless' in the public square.

everyone has a right to be in the public square,,

just cant set up house and live there

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The idea is to force them into some treatment or make them actually want to get out of their situation.

I'm sure the local and State police can figure something out with the courts. That's why we have them in the first place.

Again, expecting perfection robs you of the ability to accept good enough.

I understand the idea, I think it is not going to have the desired effect.

 

[Mac-7]

While I support the ruling, it doesn't address or solve the underlying issues of affordable housing, drug treatment, and mental health counseling.

Every vagrant should be drug tested

If they fail then send them to a rehab center for 90 days first offense and 120 days second offense, 150 days next and so on

 

[progressive hunter]

I understand the idea, I think it is not going to have the desired effect.

no one expects a one and done solution,,

it but a first step,,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Every vagrant should be drug tested

If they fail then send them to a rehab center for 90 days first offense and 120 days second offense, 150 days next and so on

Who is going to pay for that?

 

[progressive hunter]

Who is going to pay for that?

same people that are paying to clean up after them,,

but then they get safer streets,,

 

[Mac-7]

Who is going to pay for that?

Its money well spent

Look at whats happening on the west coast and deny that something must be done

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Every vagrant should be drug tested

If they fail then send them to a rehab center for 90 days first offense and 120 days second offense, 150 days next and so on

You are expanding the RWDJr (Robert W. Downey Junior) failed experiment. He stopped drugs because he decided it was time, and that was not because government kept putting him in jail when he would backslide.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Its money well spent

that is very nice, but you did not answer the question.

Are you cool with your taxes going up to pay for it?

 

[martybegan]

that is very nice, but you did not answer the question.

Are you cool with your taxes going up to pay for it?

Can you offer a solution instead of whining about costs?

 

[Mac-7]

that is very nice, but you did not answer the question.

Are you cool with your taxes going up to pay for it?

Yes

 

[Mac-7]

You are expanding the RWDJr (Robert W. Downey Junior) failed experiment. He stopped drugs because he decided it was time, and that was not because government kept putting him in jail when he would backslide.

Giving vagrants time to dry out is the best way of rehabing them

Its far better than letting them remain on the street where they can get high as much as they want

 

[marvin martian]

Well..quite the SCOTUS drop today...a mixed bag of decisions for me...but, sadly, I approve of this one:

Supreme Court rules cities may enforce laws against homeless encampments

The Supreme Court's ruling Friday gives cities in California and the West more authority to restrict homeless encampments on sidewalks and public property.

www.latimes.com

The Supreme Court ruled Friday that cities in California and the West may enforce laws restricting homeless encampments on sidewalks and other public property.
In a 6-3 decision, the justices disagreed with the 9th Circuit Court in San Francisco and ruled it is not “cruel and unusual” punishment for city officials to forbid homeless people from sleeping on the streets or in parks.
“Homelessness is complex,” Justice Neil M. Gorsuch wrote for the court. “Its causes are many. So may be the public policy responses required to address it. At bottom, the question this case presents is whether the 8th Amendment grants federal judges primary responsibility for assessing those causes and devising those responses. It does not.”

Gorsuch said the 8th Amendment “does not authorize federal judges to wrest those rights and responsibilities from the American people and in their place dictate this nation’s homelessness policy.”

He was joined by the other conservative justices, while the three liberal justices dissented.

“Sleep is a biological necessity, not a crime,” Justice Sonia Sotomayor said in dissent. “For some people, sleeping outside is their only option. For people with no access to shelter, that punishes them for being homeless. That is unconscionable and unconstitutional. Punishing people for their status is ‘cruel and unusual’ under the 8th Amendment.”

The ruling is a significant victory for city officials in the West and a setback for homeless rights advocates. Since 2018, the advocates had won rulings from the 9th Circuit that held it was unconstitutional to enforce anti-camping laws against people who had no home and nowhere to sleep.

Many city officials said those rulings led to the growth of tent encampments in Los Angeles and most cities on the West Coast. They joined an Oregon city’s appeal to the Supreme Court seeking to clarify their authority over public property.
Nothing in today’s decision requires cities or their police to take stronger enforcement action against homeless people, but it will free some of them to do so.

These blue cities have no desire to remove the bum camps. They LOVE them.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Giving vagrants time to dry out is the best way of rehabing them

Its far better than letting them remain on the street where they can get high as much as they want

They will need somewhere to live once they are clean.

There amore than 500k homeless people in the US.

There is also a housing shortage in the US.

Not sure those work well together.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Can you offer a solution instead of whining about costs?

I do not always assume there is a solution to every problem.

People are homeless for a variety of reasons, there is no one solution that will fix the problem.