Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues (Bernie's model for healthcare)

[bripat9643]

The leftwing turds keep telling us how much better the socialized medicine in Europe is. However, the people who live there don't agree:

Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues​

More than half a million Swedes now have private health insurance, showed a new review from industry organization Swedish Insurance (Svensk Försäkring). In eight out of ten cases, the person's employer had offered them the private insurance deal.

"It's quicker to get a colleague back to work if you have an operation in two weeks' time rather than having to wait for a year," privately insured Anna Norlander told Sveriges Radio on Friday. "It's terrible that I, as a young person, don't feel I can trust the health care system to take care of me."

The insurance plan guarantees that she can see a specialist within four working days, and get a time for surgery, if needed, within 15.

In December, the queues in the Swedish health care system pushed the country down a European ranking of healthcare.

"Why can Albania operate its healthcare services with practically zero waiting times, and Sweden cannot?" the report authors from the Health Consumer Powerhouse (HCP) organization in Brussels asked, albeit acknowledging modest improvements. "The Swedish queue-shortening project, on which the state has spent approximately €5 billion, has achieved some shortening of waiting times."​

 

[LoneLaugher]

Where did you find that? Don't lie.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So does Australia, by gone bananas buddy bri-pat.

A two-tier system works. Your craziness does not. Move along.

 

[bripat9643]

So does Australia, by gone bananas buddy bri-pat.

A two-tier system works. Your craziness does not. Move along.

I thought the whole point of socialized medicine was to create a one tier system where everyone got the same care. If the one tier socialized system doesn't work, then why not just go back to a one tier private system that does work?

Furthermore, how does someone who claims to be a "conservative" support socialized medicine? Have you entirely given up that charade?

 

[Confounding]

I thought the whole point of socialized medicine was to create a one tier system where everyone got the same care.

The whole point is to make sure all people have access to healthcare.

 

[bripat9643]

I thought the whole point of socialized medicine was to create a one tier system where everyone got the same care.

The whole point is to make sure all people have access to healthcare.

By putting them on a waiting list and making them wait for 12 months? How does that constitute "access to healthcare?"

 

[Confounding]

By putting them on a waiting list and making them wait for 12 months?

All you've demonstrated is that private healthcare can coexist with public healthcare. People that for whatever reason can't get access to the better private healthcare can at least use the healthcare offered by the government. The point is to make sure people aren't dying because they have no means of getting the care they need.

 

[bripat9643]

By putting them on a waiting list and making them wait for 12 months?

All you've demonstrated is that private healthcare can coexist with government healthcare. People that for whatever reason can't get access to the better private healthcare can at least use the healthcare offered by the government.

What I have demonstrated is that government healthcare doesn't deliver on it's promises. And, no, they can't use the healthcare offered by the government. Get put on a waiting list for 12 months isn't getting healthcare. It's being denied healthcare. How many people die on those waiting lines? We saw how they work in the case of the VA.

 

[Confounding]

How many people die on those waiting lines?

Less than the number of people that would die if they had no access to any healthcare.

 

[jon_berzerk]

So does Australia, by gone bananas buddy bri-pat.

A two-tier system works. Your craziness does not. Move along.

I thought the whole point of socialized medicine was to create a one tier system where everyone got the same care. If the one tier socialized system doesn't work, then why not just go back to a one tier private system that does work?

Furthermore, how does someone who claims to be a "conservative" support socialized medicine? Have you entirely given up that charade?

socialism is dependent on a class structure system

 

[bripat9643]

How many people die on those waiting lines?

Less than the number of people that would die if they had no access to any healthcare.

Under what system would that occur?

 

[JakeStarkey]

So does Australia, by gone bananas buddy bri-pat.

A two-tier system works. Your craziness does not. Move along.

I thought the whole point of socialized medicine was to create a one tier system where everyone got the same care. If the one tier socialized system doesn't work, then why not just go back to a one tier private system that does work?

Furthermore, how does someone who claims to be a "conservative" support socialized medicine? Have you entirely given up that charade?

There you try and think again. I know it hurts your head. You are a supposed anarchist who supports authoritarian government. What you think really does not matter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How many people die on those waiting lines?

Less than the number of people that would die if they had no access to any healthcare.

Under what system would that occur?

Already answered and dismissed, so, no, you don't "just once more."

 

[BluesLegend]

Socialism's goal is to concentrate the wealth of a nation into the hands of an elite ruling class in government with the people enslaved to the state for life dependent on government. Fuck that!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Socialism's goal is to concentrate the wealth of a nation into the hands of an elite ruling class in government with the people enslaved to the state for life dependent on government. Fuck that!

If that makes you feel better, go with that.

 

[Stephanie]

I thought the whole point of socialized medicine was to create a one tier system where everyone got the same care.

The whole point is to make sure all people have access to healthcare.

lol, they had access to it. they just didn't want to die because it took a year waiting for some operation. Isn't socialism grand

 

[CowboyTed]

I have yet to see anyone on the Forum want to ban private health insurance.... Bripat is trying to make out that he discovered this when we have been trying to explain this the RW all the time...

Listen the US already spend enough money to get a Universal Healthcare System if properly managed like it is in Sweden or France... But none prevents people buying a top up private insurance.

There is also the comfort aspect too.. Private Insurance means more choice in hospitals and doctors...

Which country has the world's best healthcare system?

Please keep up the research as you will soon figure out that US spends enough and just mismanaging due to some bad idealogical ideas from generally the right.