Teenager and 20 year old shot Friday night....in Britain, where they have gun control...

[2aguy]

Yep....when you outlaw guns only the outlaws will have them...as Britain keeps finding out....

Murder probe launched after teenage boy shot dead in east London

A murder investigation has been launched after a teenage boy was shot dead in east London.

Scotland Yard said a boy in his “mid-teens” was killed and another man in his early 20s was injured after the pair were shot in Newham on Friday night.

The boy was pronounced dead at the scene after suffering a gunshot wound, police said. The other victim is not thought to have suffered life-threatening injuries, and it is not yet clear whether the two shootings are linked.

Terrified witnesses told how they heard gunshots being fired just before 11pm before police descended on the scene in North Woolwich.

One said: "I went to the area to get some Chinese. Whilst I was there I heard a couple of shots, sudden bangs.

"Suddenly there was a tonne of police cars and squad cars in the area, lots of blue lights. Spoke to my former neighbour, she said she heard the same thing as me... sounded like gun shots."

You're a broken record. Give it a break gun boy.

and even Japan has gun crime.....when the Yakuza decide to do some killing, or even a mass shooting.......from last year....

One dead, three injured in shooting at Wakayama construction firm; gunman on run | The Japan Times

One man died and three others were injured Monday in a shooting at a construction company’s office in the city of Wakayama.

The suspected gunman, a 45-year-old former employee of the firm Wadai Kogyo was on the run. He was believed to be a relative of one of the firm’s senior officials.

Police said there was no indication that the attack on the construction company was a yakuza hit.

The victims, all employees of the company, were shot in the stomach and arms.

The police said the wounded were males between the ages of 43 and 46. The dead victim was identified as Junsuke Ishiyama, 45.

One of the victims reportedly told the police that the attacker pulled a gun out of a bag and began shooting while he and the four victims were holding talks

 

[2aguy]

And from last year in Japan.....when the Yakuza have killing to do..they get guns......

Yakuza ‘all-out war’ triggers apparent surge in gun prices：The Asahi Shimbun

A war between the nation's largest yakuza crime syndicate and a breakaway gang has apparently led to a spike in black market firearm prices, according to several sources close to organized crime groups.

Using language unique to gangs, a leader of one group affiliated with Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi said in early June: "I cannot feel safe unless I have 'a heavy one' with 'children' close by me. But the prices have increased by several times."

In yakuza lingo, "a heavy one" refers to a gun while "children" means bullets.

The Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi broke away from the original Yamaguchi-gumi, Japan's largest crime syndicate, in August 2015. The National Police Agency announced in March that the two rival gangs were in a state of all-out war.

 

[westwall]

And from last year in Japan.....when the Yakuza have killing to do..they get guns......

Yakuza ‘all-out war’ triggers apparent surge in gun prices：The Asahi Shimbun

A war between the nation's largest yakuza crime syndicate and a breakaway gang has apparently led to a spike in black market firearm prices, according to several sources close to organized crime groups.

Using language unique to gangs, a leader of one group affiliated with Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi said in early June: "I cannot feel safe unless I have 'a heavy one' with 'children' close by me. But the prices have increased by several times."

In yakuza lingo, "a heavy one" refers to a gun while "children" means bullets.

The Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi broke away from the original Yamaguchi-gumi, Japan's largest crime syndicate, in August 2015. The National Police Agency announced in March that the two rival gangs were in a state of all-out war.

Yep. The Japanese police estimate there are more guns in the hands of the Yakuza than there are Yakuza! In fact the Japanese police estimate they control up to 14% of the non law enforcement guns in the country.


Small Arms Survey 2010

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Sad story but a lot sadder in the US where 30 are shot dead every day. The gun nutters don't care about that though. They just want to make sure every mental case, every illegal, every criminal and every known/suspected has a gun hidden on their person.

Dumb OP just can't help but prove he's wrong - over and over and over.


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[JimBowie1958]

Doesn't matter...illegal guns are much easier to get because of guns over alll being legal...

C4A, if they couldnt steal legal guns they would make them - it is not that hard to do.

 

[westwall]

Sad story but a lot sadder in the US where 30 are shot dead every day. The gun nutters don't care about that though. They just want to make sure every mental case, every illegal, every criminal and every known/suspected has a gun hidden on their person.

Dumb OP just can't help but prove he's wrong - over and over and over.


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Wrong, the OP merely states a fact, that gun control laws ONLY affect the law abiding.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The only little problem AS ALWAYS with jimbo's OP is that in America where we have so many states with incredibly loose laws on guns, 128 people were shot in the same time.

Since it is about 1/5 per capita ratio, the OP does not tell you that based on his single incident in the UK that you are more than 12 TIMES LIKELY to get shot here than there.

He scours the net for gun crime abroad and totally ignores the slaughter in his own back yard.

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

 

[2aguy]

Sad story but a lot sadder in the US where 30 are shot dead every day. The gun nutters don't care about that though. They just want to make sure every mental case, every illegal, every criminal and every known/suspected has a gun hidden on their person.

Dumb OP just can't help but prove he's wrong - over and over and over.


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Asswipe.....it isn't the guns...it is the criminals.....with 320 million people in this country and 357-400 million guns in the hands of law abiding people, there were 9,616 gun murders......of those, 90% of them were committed by people who were already legally barred from buying, owning or carrying a gun.......and of the victims 70-80% were also criminals, legally barred from buying, owning or carrying their own guns....

Since the 90 million actual gun owners are not using their guns to commit crimes......can you do the math?

90,000,000 people not using guns for crime vs. 9,616 gun murders.....

And each year Americans use guns to actually stop violent criminal attack...and to save lives 1,500,000 times a year...

So nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate.

And as our posts show...criminals in Europe, Japan and Australia get all the guns they want or need.....they just are not committing murder with those guns....by choice.....so it isn't the possession of guns, even by criminals that is the issue...it is the willingness to commit murder that is the problem.

And the fact is...those countries, Britain, Australia, Europe in General....they are now experiencing more gun crime, not less...even after banning and confiscating guns....because the criminal culture in those countries is changing......becoming more violent and more prone to actual murder.....

Read the crime news in Britain.....teenagers are stabbing each other to death....15 year olds stabbed to death by multiple offenders who are also teenagers.....it used to be said that if you got rid of guns it would be harder for people to commit murder...since using a knife on someone required you to get up close and personal ...and to get bloody.......but in Britain...their teenagers are now doing this...easily and often......and they are now about to start using guns...since taking the life of a teenager with a knife, doesn't make one less likely to get an illegal gun.....

And they have already banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime is going up, not down....

Our gun murder rate went down 49%...as more Americans bought guns...and as more Americans carry guns.....which shows you are wrong about guns and crime....

Our violent crime rate went down 75%...as more Americans bought guns and as more Americans carry guns...which shows you are wrong about guns and crime......

There is nothing that you say about guns that is even remotely true or accurate.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

westwall, quit deflecting. We are talking about the UK, where the per capita gun violence there is about 1 to 12 for here. Just stop the nonsense.

Gun control in UK works extremely well compared to here.

not really

the murder rate in the UK is the same as it was a decade before their strict gun laws of the 60's

if those laws actually did anything for murder rates shouldn't they now be lower than what they were before the laws were passed?

BTW our murder rate is the same as it was in the 1950's as well

 

[2aguy]

The only little problem AS ALWAYS with jimbo's OP is that in America where we have so many states with incredibly loose laws on guns, 128 people were shot in the same time.

Since it is about 1/5 per capita ratio, the OP does not tell you that based on his single incident in the UK that you are more than 12 TIMES LIKELY to get shot here than there.

He scours the net for gun crime abroad and totally ignores the slaughter in his own back yard.

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

 

[Skull Pilot]

The only little problem AS ALWAYS with jimbo's OP is that in America where we have so many states with incredibly loose laws on guns, 128 people were shot in the same time.

Since it is about 1/5 per capita ratio, the OP does not tell you that based on his single incident in the UK that you are more than 12 TIMES LIKELY to get shot here than there.

He scours the net for gun crime abroad and totally ignores the slaughter in his own back yard.

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

well we do know that murder in the UK isn't called murder unless there has been a trial and a conviction

we on the other hand call it murder and count it as murder trial or no tiral

 

[Tommy Tainant]

He scours the net for gun crime abroad and totally ignores the slaughter in his own back yard.

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

Repeating shite doesnt make it true.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

He scours the net for gun crime abroad and totally ignores the slaughter in his own back yard.

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

well we do know that murder in the UK isn't called murder unless there has been a trial and a conviction

we on the other hand call it murder and count it as murder trial or no tiral

Oh dear. Thats weak.
There were 31 gun deaths on friday alone in the US. Just gun deaths.

 

[Skull Pilot]

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

Repeating shite doesnt make it true.

here you go

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

 

[Skull Pilot]

As do you and yours. The reality is if you compare the USA with Europe....ALL of Europe we actually have less overall crime, less violent crime, and the gun murder rate for Europe is rising as you get ever more third world refugees into your country who bring their culture and their violent ways with them. Think about this, two mass shootings in Europe, Norway and Paris, killed more people than all of our mass shootings COMBINED over the last 25 years.

So no, your gun control doesn't seem to work too well..

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

well we do know that murder in the UK isn't called murder unless there has been a trial and a conviction

we on the other hand call it murder and count it as murder trial or no tiral

Oh dear. Thats weak.
There were 31 gun deaths on friday alone in the US. Just gun deaths.

so what?

how many of them were committed with LEGALLY acquired guns?

 

[2aguy]

And from last year in Japan.....when the Yakuza have killing to do..they get guns......

Yakuza ‘all-out war’ triggers apparent surge in gun prices：The Asahi Shimbun

A war between the nation's largest yakuza crime syndicate and a breakaway gang has apparently led to a spike in black market firearm prices, according to several sources close to organized crime groups.

Using language unique to gangs, a leader of one group affiliated with Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi said in early June: "I cannot feel safe unless I have 'a heavy one' with 'children' close by me. But the prices have increased by several times."

In yakuza lingo, "a heavy one" refers to a gun while "children" means bullets.

The Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi broke away from the original Yamaguchi-gumi, Japan's largest crime syndicate, in August 2015. The National Police Agency announced in March that the two rival gangs were in a state of all-out war.

Yep. The Japanese police estimate there are more guns in the hands of the Yakuza than there are Yakuza! In fact the Japanese police estimate they control up to 14% of the non law enforcement guns in the country.


Small Arms Survey 2010

Thanks Westwall for that link....I found the Small Arms survey from their website...and I can actually quote from it......

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/file...0/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2010-Chapter-04-EN.pdf

The most systematic surveys to examine gang gun use outside the United States focus on England and Wales. Among gang members arrested there, one study found that between 50 and 59 per cent reported having had a gun at some point during their years as members (Bennett and Holloway, 2004a, pp. 316–19). Another report found that as many as 60 per cent of British gang convicts reported using handguns (Bennett and Holloway, 2004b, p. 243). To be sure, such findings do not mean all British gang members are likely to carry guns.

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But this impression of widespread gang gun ownership, reinforced by the hugely disproportionate role of gangs in British gun violence, is compelling. All these findings suggest far higher gang gun ownership in England and Wales than for the civilian population as a whole. These are low- to mid-level gun-owning societies, where there are approximately six civilian firearms for every 100 people, including legally registered rifles and shotguns, as well as illegal handguns.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad fuck. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred fucker.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

Repeating shite doesnt make it true.

here you go

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

You need to quantify the number that do not lead to a conviction to have any credibility. You get me a figure, we can add it to the convicted number and it will still be way below Americas slaughter.

29 people were killed by guns in the US on Thursday and 32 were killed on Wednesday. Please drop the pretence that guns make you safer.

 

[Skull Pilot]

All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

Repeating shite doesnt make it true.

here you go

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

You need to quantify the number that do not lead to a conviction to have any credibility. You get me a figure, we can add it to the convicted number and it will still be way below Americas slaughter.

29 people were killed by guns in the US on Thursday and 32 were killed on Wednesday. Please drop the pretence that guns make you safer.

and yours is not as idyllic as you want to believe

but the murder rate has always been lower in the UK than the US gun bans or not and the fact that we have 2 different definition of murder doesn't hurt your cause either

 

[2aguy]

And from last year in Japan.....when the Yakuza have killing to do..they get guns......

Yakuza ‘all-out war’ triggers apparent surge in gun prices：The Asahi Shimbun

A war between the nation's largest yakuza crime syndicate and a breakaway gang has apparently led to a spike in black market firearm prices, according to several sources close to organized crime groups.

Using language unique to gangs, a leader of one group affiliated with Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi said in early June: "I cannot feel safe unless I have 'a heavy one' with 'children' close by me. But the prices have increased by several times."

In yakuza lingo, "a heavy one" refers to a gun while "children" means bullets.

The Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi broke away from the original Yamaguchi-gumi, Japan's largest crime syndicate, in August 2015. The National Police Agency announced in March that the two rival gangs were in a state of all-out war.

Yep. The Japanese police estimate there are more guns in the hands of the Yakuza than there are Yakuza! In fact the Japanese police estimate they control up to 14% of the non law enforcement guns in the country.


Small Arms Survey 2010

Westwall....From your link I couldn't get a quote...so going to the Small Arms survey site....I got the survey and can actually link to your points on Japan.......thanks again...it shows how stupid anti gunners are when they cite Japan.......

The latter is hardly exceptional internationally, but it means the Yakuza control a remarkable proportion of all civilian firearms in Japan, between 7 and 14 per cent. The Yakuza, in other words, are armed about 200 times more heavily than Japanese society generally. Among the examples explored here, Japan has the highest concentration of firearms among its gangsters. Japanese gangs are heavily armed by any standard, but, in comparison with the rest of Japanese society, they are extraordinary.

And it also supports the point I keep making......gang culture determines the murder rate...since they all have access to guns....it is just that some criminal cultures do not resort to violence as quickly as other criminal cultures in other countries......

Armed gang members appear to be most common in societies afflicted by both high membership and gun ownership. South Africa’s Western Cape province probably has the most serious gang guns problem anywhere, ranking at the top of both scales. In Western Cape, gangs appear to have roughly 51,000 out of the suspected total of 570,000 firearms in civilian hands in the region, or close to 10 per cent. These figures are similar to levels of gang gun ownership in Japan, but South African gangs are much more violent (GANG VIOLENCE)

 

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All of it is true, you're just too invested in your sad beliefs to actually look it up. Here, let me help you...

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

UK is violent crime capital of Europe


And then, just last year that astonishingly high crime rate jumped even higher!

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a fuck what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

Repeating shite doesnt make it true.

here you go

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

You need to quantify the number that do not lead to a conviction to have any credibility. You get me a figure, we can add it to the convicted number and it will still be way below Americas slaughter.

29 people were killed by guns in the US on Thursday and 32 were killed on Wednesday. Please drop the pretence that guns make you safer.

Moron.........we went from 200 million guns in the 1990s and 4.7 million people actually carrying guns for self defense in 1997.....in 2016 we had 357-400 million guns and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense...legally...

Our gun murder rate went down 49%...our violent crime rate went down 75%.....

Britain....? You banned guns in 1996.......your gun crime rate went up immediately after the ban.....that is the Truth.....then it returned to the same level it was at after the ban...the truth...

Now.....gun crime in Britain is up 4%.....and up 10% in London and other major cities.....

And it isn't going to get better.....and guns are flooding your streets......you don't know what you are talking about......you guys have relied on British culture and it's general pacifism which masked the relationship between guns and gun murder in your society...your criminals had guns...they just didn't commit murder......now they are committing murder.......get used to it....